List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[RanaNaved]

I posted not long ago that I can see a fairly big trade involving WC, Richmond and a number of picks happening.

 

[random260]

I posted not long ago that I can see a fairly big trade involving WC, Richmond and a number of picks happening.

With the rumours of norf wanting to split. It just rules us out of the equation.

 

[beagles]

Fair chance this is just a Ralphy fantasy, but if the deal was Baker and 6 for 3, how would people feel about that?

If we were targeting a Langford or a Lalor they might be there at 6 anyway.

Leaving Baker out of it, would you trade pick 3 for picks 6 & 9?

 

[eaglevision]

Even though the suggestion that a club chasing a contracted player can play “hardball” is ridiculous, the middle paragraph sounds promising in getting what we want for Barrass.

 

[random260]

I'll say this if we split end our best mid we draft is smillie/Lindsay

I'll burn the whole Eagles HQ down.

That's my biggest fear.

 

[beagles]

I'll say this if we split end our best mid we draft is smillie/Lindsay

I'll burn the whole Eagles HQ down.

That's my biggest fear.

Love Smillie. Would take him in a heart beat if he was there at pick 6.

 

[Big_Birdy]

If all that is in the trade for Baker is us downgrading 3 - 9, based on this, this is what we get, keeping in mind we go into the draft with pick 23 still being with us now:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith

Finn O'Sullivan

for

Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

, Harvey Langford and Jack Whitlock.


Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Leaving Baker out of it, would you trade pick 3 for picks 6 & 9?

Not a draft watcher so only going off what people on here say about the depth/relative quality of this draft, but yeah that sounds like a win.

 

[Bacchus]

Nope - I’m saying at pick 3-6 it will be negligible the difference between who you are calling ‘best’ and ‘left over’.

I think in this draft if you got every team to hypothetically select their pick 3 they’d come up with 4 or 5 different guys - thus making picks 3-6 incredibly even.

So we get someone’s legitimate version of pick 3 at 6 anyway and throw in a near top 10 pick as well. It’s the year to do it unless absolutely in love with who they think will be at 3 and not at 6 AND if the club believes there will actually be any ceiling gap within those few selections

Surely it would be better to choose though and make your own destiny rather than allow other teams to make it for you, unless the compensation for trading down was particularly attractive.
A second round or low first round pick doesn’t seem to cut it.

We absolutely need a guaranteed top midfield player, possibles won’t do. So if this can’t be assured with pick 6 or above then it would be reckless to trade down pick 3.

 

[random260]

****ing hell there's alot of happy clapper splitters here.

Listen here. There are levels to this shit.

Complete reckless. Even if small there's still levels to this draft

No discussion should be had unless we can 100% rule out for certain sid draper will not be available for us at 3!!!


Draper has shown it at every level and against men. He's level above everyone and is within striking distance.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

For me, it would have to look something like 3 and 23 for 6, baker and another later first rounder. For example if Freo gave 9 and 17 for Bolton, 6 and 17 plus Baker.

Maybe we send a F3 there way.

I could live with 6 17 baker for 3 23.

3 for 6 17

23 for baker.



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[KERRPOW]

Lol at richmond talking tough "playing hard ball" for a baker trade.

If they are going to be ***** about it im happy to walk away and pick him up in the PSD.

 

[ZergMinion]

Just a reminder we got 8 and 12 for pick 2. We will not be getting 6 and 9 for pick 3. Or 6 and 11.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled stupid trade ideas and blind panic.

 

[amazingjoshy]

If all that is in the trade for Baker is us downgrading 3 - 9, based on this, this is what we get, keeping in mind we go into the draft with pick 23 still being with us now:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith

Finn O'Sullivan

for

Liam Baker, Harvey Langford and Jack Whitlock.


Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

But we're still getting Baker in your 1st scenario?

So it's just FOS vs Langford and Whitlock

We'd have to be getting something extra out of it other than Baker to split 3 if it were up to me

 

[Barrybran]

3 for 6 and Baker works if our target is still on the board there but I still don't think it makes sense for the Suns to give up pick 6.

I do wonder if there is a trade somewhere where the outcome is effectively the same but we turn pick 3 into pick 6 from the Suns and a second rounder. I don't see a need for the Suns to move up the board though so a third team (Freo?) might be required.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Lol at richmond talking tough "playing hard ball" for a baker trade.

If they are going to be ***** about it im happy to walk away and pick him up in the PSD.

Couldn’t be done, they’d surely just pick him up again and he wouldn’t sit out on them surely.

 

[RanaNaved]

****ing hell there's alot of happy clapper splitters here.

Listen here. There are levels to this shit.

Complete reckless. Even if small there's still levels to this draft

Everyone seems to have different 'levels' though, that's how even the top 7-8 are.

No one can tell me Draper, FOS or Smith are, or will be any better than Langford, Smillie, Lalor or Reid.

I mean, you can tell me, but I won't believe you

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Just a reminder we got 8 and 12 for pick 2. We will not be getting 6 and 9 for pick 3. Or 6 and 11.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled stupid trade ideas and blind panic.

Only difference here is Richmond will have about a third of the top 30 picks themselves, so might be open to moving around a lot more than a typical draft hand.

And they’re getting 6 for Rioli because GC don’t respect picks or themselves, so easy come easy go?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If all that is in the trade for Baker is us downgrading 3 - 9, based on this, this is what we get, keeping in mind we go into the draft with pick 23 still being with us now:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith

Finn O'Sullivan

for

Liam Baker, Harvey Langford and Jack Whitlock.


Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

I'm not sure i'm following your logic at all.......

Surely it's

FOS, Baker or Harry O'Farell (assuming trade 23 for Baker or keep it so get one of them (noting 23 slides to 27 with Lombardo, Ashcoft, Camporale, Kako))
for
Baker, Langford, Harry O'Farell

So the debate is whether FOS is better than Langford + Harry O'Farrell (if trade 23 for Baker).

And that's assuming it falls the way it's listed there.

 

[Bender_]

Who exactly at Richmond is Ralph blowing?

He's either on the take or suffering from a head injury. Both are also possible.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

A world where an uncontracted midget is worth similar to a long term contracted gun key defender, is world created purely by Vic Media.

 

[Big_Birdy]

I'm not sure i'm following your logic at all.......

Surely it's

FOS, Baker or Harry O'Farell (assuming trade 23 for Baker or keep it so get one of them (noting 23 slides to 27 with Lombardo, Ashcoft, Camporale, Kako))
for
Baker, Langford, Harry O'Farell

So the debate is whether FOS is better than Langford + Harry O'Farrell (if trade 23 for Baker).

And that's assuming it falls the way it's listed there.

We aren't trading 23 for Baker.

The trade is 3 for 9 and Baker.

We get to keep 23 in the scenario. Which we won't be able to otherwise.

If we trade 3 and 23 for Baker and 9 we are dunces I agree. Thats not what Ralph proposed though. I assume its more than the downgrade, but if it isn't, then I say start the car.

EDIT:

Sorry I get what you mean now.

Then yeah that is the argument sort of.

Or to put it another way, is the gap between FOS and Langford large enough to not be worth getting in Baker and O'Farrell (or whatever player we take at 27). I'd say almost certainly not.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

****ing hell there's alot of happy clapper splitters here.

Listen here. There are levels to this shit.

Complete reckless. Even if small there's still levels to this draft

Are you imploding of potential trade discussions?

 

[Hook461123]

Couldn’t be done, they’d surely just pick him up again and he wouldn’t sit out on them surely.

Good, let them. He can play a year and then become a delisted free agent and we get him for free next year.

 

[tiger_tough]

Fair chance this is just a Ralphy fantasy, but if the deal was Baker and 6 for 3, how would people feel about that?

If we were targeting a Langford or a Lalor they might be there at 6 anyway.

I'm okay with it....