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  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."






 
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If all that is in the trade for Baker is us downgrading 3 - 9, based on this, this is what we get, keeping in mind we go into the draft with pick 23 still being with us now:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith

Finn O'Sullivan

for

Liam Baker, Harvey Langford and Jack Whitlock.


Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
 
Nope - I’m saying at pick 3-6 it will be negligible the difference between who you are calling ‘best’ and ‘left over’.

I think in this draft if you got every team to hypothetically select their pick 3 they’d come up with 4 or 5 different guys - thus making picks 3-6 incredibly even.

So we get someone’s legitimate version of pick 3 at 6 anyway and throw in a near top 10 pick as well. It’s the year to do it unless absolutely in love with who they think will be at 3 and not at 6 AND if the club believes there will actually be any ceiling gap within those few selections
Surely it would be better to choose though and make your own destiny rather than allow other teams to make it for you, unless the compensation for trading down was particularly attractive.
A second round or low first round pick doesn’t seem to cut it.

We absolutely need a guaranteed top midfield player, possibles won’t do. So if this can’t be assured with pick 6 or above then it would be reckless to trade down pick 3.
 
****ing hell there's alot of happy clapper splitters here.

Listen here. There are levels to this shit.

Complete reckless. Even if small there's still levels to this draft

No discussion should be had unless we can 100% rule out for certain sid draper will not be available for us at 3!!!


Draper has shown it at every level and against men. He's level above everyone and is within striking distance.
 
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For me, it would have to look something like 3 and 23 for 6, baker and another later first rounder. For example if Freo gave 9 and 17 for Bolton, 6 and 17 plus Baker.

Maybe we send a F3 there way.
I could live with 6 17 baker for 3 23.

3 for 6 17

23 for baker.



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If all that is in the trade for Baker is us downgrading 3 - 9, based on this, this is what we get, keeping in mind we go into the draft with pick 23 still being with us now:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith

Finn O'Sullivan

for

Liam Baker, Harvey Langford and Jack Whitlock.


Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

But we're still getting Baker in your 1st scenario?

So it's just FOS vs Langford and Whitlock

We'd have to be getting something extra out of it other than Baker to split 3 if it were up to me
 
3 for 6 and Baker works if our target is still on the board there but I still don't think it makes sense for the Suns to give up pick 6.

I do wonder if there is a trade somewhere where the outcome is effectively the same but we turn pick 3 into pick 6 from the Suns and a second rounder. I don't see a need for the Suns to move up the board though so a third team (Freo?) might be required.
 
Lol at richmond talking tough "playing hard ball" for a baker trade.

If they are going to be ***** about it im happy to walk away and pick him up in the PSD.
Couldn’t be done, they’d surely just pick him up again and he wouldn’t sit out on them surely.
 
****ing hell there's alot of happy clapper splitters here.

Listen here. There are levels to this shit.

Complete reckless. Even if small there's still levels to this draft
Everyone seems to have different 'levels' though, that's how even the top 7-8 are.

No one can tell me Draper, FOS or Smith are, or will be any better than Langford, Smillie, Lalor or Reid.

I mean, you can tell me, but I won't believe you
 
Just a reminder we got 8 and 12 for pick 2. We will not be getting 6 and 9 for pick 3. Or 6 and 11.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled stupid trade ideas and blind panic.
Only difference here is Richmond will have about a third of the top 30 picks themselves, so might be open to moving around a lot more than a typical draft hand.

And they’re getting 6 for Rioli because GC don’t respect picks or themselves, so easy come easy go?
 
If all that is in the trade for Baker is us downgrading 3 - 9, based on this, this is what we get, keeping in mind we go into the draft with pick 23 still being with us now:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith

Finn O'Sullivan

for

Liam Baker, Harvey Langford and Jack Whitlock.


Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
I'm not sure i'm following your logic at all.......

Surely it's

FOS, Baker or Harry O'Farell (assuming trade 23 for Baker or keep it so get one of them (noting 23 slides to 27 with Lombardo, Ashcoft, Camporale, Kako))
for
Baker, Langford, Harry O'Farell

So the debate is whether FOS is better than Langford + Harry O'Farrell (if trade 23 for Baker).

And that's assuming it falls the way it's listed there.
 
I'm not sure i'm following your logic at all.......

Surely it's

FOS, Baker or Harry O'Farell (assuming trade 23 for Baker or keep it so get one of them (noting 23 slides to 27 with Lombardo, Ashcoft, Camporale, Kako))
for
Baker, Langford, Harry O'Farell

So the debate is whether FOS is better than Langford + Harry O'Farrell (if trade 23 for Baker).

And that's assuming it falls the way it's listed there.

We aren't trading 23 for Baker.

The trade is 3 for 9 and Baker.

We get to keep 23 in the scenario. Which we won't be able to otherwise.

If we trade 3 and 23 for Baker and 9 we are dunces I agree. Thats not what Ralph proposed though. I assume its more than the downgrade, but if it isn't, then I say start the car.

EDIT:

Sorry I get what you mean now.

Then yeah that is the argument sort of.

Or to put it another way, is the gap between FOS and Langford large enough to not be worth getting in Baker and O'Farrell (or whatever player we take at 27). I'd say almost certainly not.
 

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