List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Choogler]

I'd probably rate Baker around the value of Duggan.

Duggan is a passionate leader and can be very good at times, but he can also butcher the ball. I wouldn't say Duggan is worth a first round pick, and neither is Baker.

Interesting comment because both Duggan and Baker have considerably better stats and ratings than Rioli who GC are expected to cough up pick 6 for. Personally I reckon all of them are probably worth early seconds!

 

[Choogler]

Find it interesting that if a player wants out and nominates a team - what happens if that team then realises they’re going to be more expensive than they expected. i
Imagine paying up more than you wanted because you felt obligated to take the player who nominated you. Obviously this is a day in the life of a GCS recruiter. But how often have teams reneged on negotiations even after the player publicly informs their team that they want to be traded to team X?

like Tim Kelly... way overs, but WC lived up to their commitment and it cost us!

 

[Choogler]

If Cripps has retired, he's really got my respect. Even more so than before.

Putting the team first is not always the easiest thing to do.

Hopefully he hangs around and helps the mosquito fleet in some regard. (Just not first touch )

I think you'll like this

Cripps hopeful Eagles rebuild pain won't last too long

West Coast veteran Jamie Cripps is embracing his role as a leader at the club and he hopes...

www.northweststar.com.au

 

[kranky al]

Find it interesting that if a player wants out and nominates a team - what happens if that team then realises they’re going to be more expensive than they expected. i
Imagine paying up more than you wanted because you felt obligated to take the player who nominated you. Obviously this is a day in the life of a GCS recruiter. But how often have teams reneged on negotiations even after the player publicly informs their team that they want to be traded to team X?

Pretty interesting thought.

Like Kelly nominated us and we folded like a cheap suit to geelong - and it’s cost us badly.

Getting unlimited make clubs like port go fu, you get what you are given. We gave out prime plus steak knives and wait there’s more….

 

[Elite Pete]

Find it interesting that if a player wants out and nominates a team - what happens if that team then realises they’re going to be more expensive than they expected. i
Imagine paying up more than you wanted because you felt obligated to take the player who nominated you. Obviously this is a day in the life of a GCS recruiter. But how often have teams reneged on negotiations even after the player publicly informs their team that they want to be traded to team X?

Manager often acts as a mediator for both clubs and player

 

[WA footy mad]

Why are we even talking about Baker surely he's not on our radar unless its Future pick 50. Richmond are just unloading there players for a fast rebuild. We have enough mature age players of his calibre.
I think there a few Richmond supporters in here hoping we will take him??

 

[Bacchus]

Why are we even talk about Baker surely he's not on our radar unless its Future pick 50. Richmond are just unloading there players for a fast rebuild. We have enough mature age players of his calibre.
I think there a few Richmond supporters in here hoping we will take him??

Richmond definitely trying to accomplish a one draft rebuild.

Baker is not worth more than #23, if he is worth that. We don’t seem to make good draft choices in the 20’s but surely there would be a good player this year, e.g. Hamish Davis.

I would like to see us pass on Baker at the price they are trying to extract and the draft capital we don’t have.

 

[Godfather32]

Pretty interesting thought.

Like Kelly nominated us and we folded like a cheap suit to geelong - and it’s cost us badly.

Getting unlimited make clubs like port go fu, you get what you are given. We gave out prime plus steak knives and wait there’s more….

We didn't get the Kelly trade done first time around though, it was the year after that we caved

 

[shooshka]

Why are we even talking about Baker surely he's not on our radar unless its Future pick 50. Richmond are just unloading there players for a fast rebuild. We have enough mature age players of his calibre.
I think there a few Richmond supporters in here hoping we will take him??

Look, I’m all for not overpaying and agree Richmond are all in on trying to accelerate their rebuild, but we really don’t have many if any players like Baker.

Guys in the same age group are Witherden, Waterman, Cole, Duggan, Ryan (ignoring TB, Rotham, Jones who are all unlikely to be on the list next year, and Flynn who is hard to judge due to injury).

Baker is better than Cole and Witherden, is more consistent with his effort than Ryan (nowhere near the ceiling), somewhat similar to Duggan although more positional flexibility, and not as good or consistent as the ‘new’ Waterman.

All for haggling over what the right price is, but at the right price he will fit into our side nicely.


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[Keys]

Why are we even talking about Baker surely he's not on our radar unless its Future pick 50. Richmond are just unloading there players for a fast rebuild. We have enough mature age players of his calibre.
I think there a few Richmond supporters in here hoping we will take him??

We don’t actually have that many around Baker’s age (27 next year)

Darling and Barrass are both on their way out. Jones and Trew have been delisted with Rotham, L Edwards and possibly Witherden likely to follow. Gaff has retired

That leaves (age next year) :

33 - McGovern, Cripps
32 - Yeo
31 - Kelly
30 - Hunt, Sheed
29 - Ryan, Duggan
28 - Cole, Flynn
27 - Waterman
26 - Allen, Petruccelle
25 - B Williams, Jamieson, H Edwards
24 - Hutchinson
23 - Brockman

That’s 18 over 23 with the remaining 26 of the squad post draft to be 22 and under - less any mature talent like Baker and Graham we bring in

Baker walks into our best 22 and would be there for the next 5 years so it’s understandable why we’re looking at him. Ideally our F2 gets a trade done or (reluctantly) pick 23 which I’d prefer to use in the draft

Then there’s a myriad of other proposals using multiple picks or a third club - I posted one earlier that had us receiving Baker plus picks 13,30 and 39 for Barrass plus picks 23 and 59

I get that people are wary of us overpaying but Baker does fill a need provided he comes at a reasonable cost which we’ll just have to wait and see what that is

 

[Into The Black]

3 players from the wooden spooners all requiring highish draft picks ? Doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[beagles]

We don’t actually have that many around Baker’s age (27 next year)

Darling and Barrass are both on their way out. Jones and Trew have been delisted with Rotham, L Edwards and possibly Witherden likely to follow. Gaff has retired

That leaves (age next year) :

33 - McGovern, Cripps
32 - Yeo
31 - Kelly
30 - Hunt, Sheed
29 - Ryan, Duggan
28 - Cole, Flynn
27 - Waterman
26 - Allen, Petruccelle
25 - B Williams, Jamieson, H Edwards
24 - Hutchinson
23 - Brockman

That’s 18 over 23 with the remaining 26 of the squad post draft to be 22 and under - less any mature talent like Baker and Graham we bring in

Baker walks into our best 22 and would be there for the next 5 years so it’s understandable why we’re looking at him. Ideally our F2 gets a trade done or (reluctantly) pick 23 which I’d prefer to use in the draft

Then there’s a myriad of other proposals using multiple picks or a third club - I posted one earlier that had us receiving Baker plus picks 13,30 and 39 for Barrass plus picks 23 and 59

I get that people are wary of us overpaying but Baker does fill a need provided he comes at a reasonable cost which we’ll just have to wait and see what that is

I'd rather keep the draft picks and draft some decent players. It is a WC rebuild that we are undertaking not a Richmond rebuild.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

One giant issue is Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

is a flanker. We do not need anymore flankers.... I cant express that any stronger. Its the LAST spot we need to look at

Id rather we spend our time on a guy like Neil Erasmus who we should be making a big offer for

 

[ziad]

One giant issue is Liam Baker is a flanker. We do not need anymore flankers.... I cant express that any stronger. Its the LAST spot we need to look at

Id rather we spend our time on a guy like Neil Erasmus who we should be making a big offer for

Lowest priority but could be of value at the right price.

 

[beagles]

Im going early but nominating Shannon Hurn

25

Shannon Hurn

Age

37

Ht

187cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

15.7

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

389.5

5star

D

16.1

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

271.6

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

as our best recruit this year.

More/better skills development coaching please

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Just need to get a Priority pick from the afl . Future end of 1st . Sling it over to Richmond for Baker.

Afl helping us and Richmond

 

[ghostbat12]

Exactly. By most accounts we’ve broken bread. We could ruin their draft next year if they play silly buggers. I don’t except a Freo bid on Champion.

They have broken bread because Fremantle perceive themselves as more advanced. Which they are at moment.

Once that changes, you watch jealousy kick in and that bread to change. They are a sensitive lot when it comes to all things west coast. Gaelic will be seen as a secret west coast fan.

 

[eaglevision]

They have broken bread because Fremantle perceive themselves as more advanced. Which they are at moment.

Once that changes, you watch jealousy kick in and that bread to change. They are a sensitive lot when it comes to all things west coast. Gaelic will be seen as a secret west coast fan.

Don’t worry I won’t be holding my breath but with the inherent disadvantage of being a WA side in a vic-centric competition the WA sides should at the very least be working together at board and list management level. The NGAs and even player trades without screwing each other over should be the bare minimum. Happy for us to try and kill each other on the field.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

One giant issue is Liam Baker is a flanker. We do not need anymore flankers.... I cant express that any stronger. Its the LAST spot we need to look at

Id rather we spend our time on a guy like Neil Erasmus who we should be making a big offer for

Erasmus is a ball butcher . I feel we went down the path of guys of his quality both garcia and dev would be cheaper options

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I imagine our desire for Baker will depend on how we go chasing free agent/freebies. If we can add Pealting, Garcia, Dev Rob, Jack Graham

34

Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

or similar for not much, then the need for Baker drops dramatically. Offer a late pick on a take it or leave it basis and walk away.

We do need to add some mature (27 and under) bodies but don't want to pay much to do so, as they will only raise our floor, not raise our ceiling like potential first and second round picks may.

 

[shooshka]

I imagine our desire for Baker will depend on how we go chasing free agent/freebies. If we can add Pealting, Garcia, Dev Rob, Jack Graham

34

Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

or similar for not much, then the need for Baker drops dramatically. Offer a late pick on a take it or leave it basis and walk away.

We do need to add some mature (27 and under) bodies but don't want to pay much to do so, as they will only raise our floor, not raise our ceiling like potential first and second round picks may.

Parfitt as well. I’m guessing his preferred destination will be announced this week or so with Geelong’s season now finished


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[Elite Pete]

Look, I’m all for not overpaying and agree Richmond are all in on trying to accelerate their rebuild, but we really don’t have many if any players like Baker.

Guys in the same age group are Witherden, Waterman, Cole, Duggan, Ryan (ignoring TB, Rotham, Jones who are all unlikely to be on the list next year, and Flynn who is hard to judge due to injury).

Baker is better than Cole and Witherden, is more consistent with his effort than Ryan (nowhere near the ceiling), somewhat similar to Duggan although more positional flexibility, and not as good or consistent as the ‘new’ Waterman.

All for haggling over what the right price is, but at the right price he will fit into our side nicely.


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Agree with that all but don’t think Richmond are all in on a rebuild. Accelerate it now of course, everyone wants overs. They have little choice, they are reportedly getting way overs for Rioli so you do that deal. Bolton gets done but at the right price (probably 9 + 16) some would say that’s over and would sign Baker today if they could.

Graham was probably out the door until they came back with a 4 year deal but not sure if he signs or not.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Parfitt as well. I’m guessing his preferred destination will be announced this week or so with Geelong’s season now finished


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Yep. If we can add 3 or 4 in that 22-27 age range, good stuff.

Take the rest to the draft.

 

[Elite Pete]

I imagine our desire for Baker will depend on how we go chasing free agent/freebies. If we can add Pealting, Garcia, Dev Rob, Jack Graham or similar for not much, then the need for Baker drops dramatically. Offer a late pick on a take it or leave it basis and walk away.

We do need to add some mature (27 and under) bodies but don't want to pay much to do so, as they will only raise our floor, not raise our ceiling like potential first and second round picks may.

I think it will be the other way. Baker would be their first choice but might all come down to who makes a decision first, if they haven’t already.

 

[mat11]

Don’t worry I won’t be holding my breath but with the inherent disadvantage of being a WA side in a vic-centric competition the WA sides should at the very least be working together at board and list management level. The NGAs and even player trades without screwing each other over should be the bare minimum. Happy for us to try and kill each other on the field.

If freo and wce relations are good..

I think I read somewhere (cant remember where) freo could offer a first to North for their f1 to help with Chad at the end of 2025. If we concede we we won't get Chad, we could throw our f1 to freo for their pick 10 and reidy. We'd still have our first tied to Hawks in 2025 so it wouldn't hamstring us too much

Wce out F1
Wce in Travaglia + Reidy

Looking fwd to the melting over this suggestion