List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
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  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

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  Def

  Career

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  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
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  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

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  D/F

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  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[TheNewAnchor]

One giant issue is Liam Baker is a flanker. We do not need anymore flankers.... I cant express that any stronger. Its the LAST spot we need to look at

Id rather we spend our time on a guy like Neil Erasmus who we should be making a big offer for

If WC were of a mind to make big offers to anyone, surely there's more (much more) attractive options than Erasmus.

 

[Bacchus]

If freo and wce relations are good..

I think I read somewhere (cant remember where) freo could offer a first to North for their f1 to help with Chad at the end of 2025. If we concede we we won't get Chad, we could throw our f1 to freo for their pick 10 and reidy. We'd still have our first tied to Hawks in 2025 so it wouldn't hamstring us too much

Wce out F1
Wce in Travaglia + Reidy

Looking fwd to the melting over this suggestion

Your proposal has possibilites.

Should be trading BW for around #40 if we did this.

 

[WA footy mad]

Gee i didntrealise there are so many Richmond supporters in our forum all wanting us to take there dreggs

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I think it will be the other way. Baker would be their first choice but might all come down to who makes a decision first, if they haven’t already.

Oh, he's the best player of that lot, but it's a question of what we should pay.

I'd rather pick up Parfitt (free), Peatling (Free), Dev Rob (pick 50+), and take pick 23 to the draft, than not get the free guys and also use pick 23 on Baker.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If WC were of a mind to make big offers to anyone, surely there's more (much more) attractive options than Erasmus.

Such as? That well is very dry im afraid. Id much rather we offer Eramus a 4 year deal then Jack Graham at this stage. Give up some of the draft captial we were going to use for lIam Baker for Erasmus. Replace Liam Baker by just grabbing Parfitt as a free agent

Erasmus + Parfitt + keeping better draft picks is a much better situation then Baker + Graham

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Erasmus is a ball butcher . I feel we went down the path of guys of his quality both garcia and dev would be cheaper options

He is but he tackles and wins his own ball. He has a bit more pace to him then the other 2 which is why I also have him ahead.

 

[Bacchus]

He is but he tackles and wins his own ball. He has a bit more pace to him then the other 2 which is why I also have him ahead.

I saw him do at least 2 or 3 very good i50 passes in yesterday’s game.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

If freo and wce relations are good..

I think I read somewhere (cant remember where) freo could offer a first to North for their f1 to help with Chad at the end of 2025. If we concede we we won't get Chad, we could throw our f1 to freo for their pick 10 and reidy. We'd still have our first tied to Hawks in 2025 so it wouldn't hamstring us too much

Wce out F1
Wce in Travaglia + Reidy

Looking fwd to the melting over this suggestion

Trading a likely top 3 pick for pick 10 and a WAFL ruck, just to do freo a solid and help them land Warner? Give me a spell

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I saw him do at least 2 or 3 very good i50 passes in yesterday’s game.

When he has the space and time he can hit a pass but he does have that odd kicking style. He isnt shocking at kicking but he isnt the guy id want to play that role for us anyway. Just dish the ball out to Reid/Draper please

 

[wirra44]

If freo and wce relations are good..

I think I read somewhere (cant remember where) freo could offer a first to North for their f1 to help with Chad at the end of 2025. If we concede we we won't get Chad, we could throw our f1 to freo for their pick 10 and reidy. We'd still have our first tied to Hawks in 2025 so it wouldn't hamstring us too much

Wce out F1
Wce in Travaglia + Reidy

Looking fwd to the melting over this suggestion

Oh dear god that just makes me feel sick, can you imagine doing that and finishing last next year and them getting pick 1

 

[JackOutback]

3 players from the wooden spooners all requiring highish draft picks ? Doesn't make any sense at all.

I mean, we’ve been bottom three for three years and could easily generate three high picks if we wanted to.

 

[bzparkes]

If freo and wce relations are good..

I think I read somewhere (cant remember where) freo could offer a first to North for their f1 to help with Chad at the end of 2025. If we concede we we won't get Chad, we could throw our f1 to freo for their pick 10 and reidy. We'd still have our first tied to Hawks in 2025 so it wouldn't hamstring us too much

Wce out F1
Wce in Travaglia + Reidy

Looking fwd to the melting over this suggestion

That is utterly horrendous.

Essentially trading a top 3 pick for pick 10 and a rookie ruckman.

 

[Bacchus]

Oh dear god that just makes me feel sick, can you imagine doing that and finishing last next year and them getting pick 1

Back the team in to do better than last.

Reidy and Travalgia would be two pretty handy additions in areas of need.

We clearly need a ready made ruck (not a kid) and Reidy is there playing WAFL like Meek was.

 

[bzparkes]

Back the team in to do better than last.

Reidy and Travalgia would be two pretty handy additions in areas of need.

We clearly need a ready made ruck (not a kid) and Reidy is there playing WAFL like Meek was.

We need mids. Ruckmen are overrated, unless you have Gawn/peak NicNat.

 

[Barrybran]

We need mids. Ruckmen are overrated, unless you have Gawn/peak NicNat.

Even Gawn was pick 34

 

[bzparkes]

Even Gawn was pick 34

Yep. Don't give up top 5 picks for ruckmen, unless they are a clear standout(like Nic).

Jackson's proving to not be worth it.

 

[Barrybran]

Yep. Don't give up top 5 picks for ruckmen, unless they are a clear standout(like Nic).

Jackson's proving to not be worth it.

Jackson has been a pretty handy player so far and is still only 22

 

[Bacchus]

We need mids. Ruckmen are overrated, unless you have Gawn/peak NicNat.

We are getting smashed out of the centre and other ruck contests every week. Behind the eight ball as soon as the ball is bounced/thrown up.

Need to at least break even to give our midfielders a chance.

 

[bzparkes]

Jackson has been a pretty handy player so far and is still only 22

Handy but Freo fans are desperate for Darcy on one leg to come back in and ruck for them.

 

[bzparkes]

We are getting smashed out of the centre and other ruck contests every week. Behind the eight ball as soon as the ball is bounced/thrown up.

Need to at least break even.

Giving a likely top 3 pick as part of a trade to pick up a rookie ruckman because his WAFL numbers are decent would simply be pure desperation.

Williams was fine last year in the ruck, having him train and build himself for a forward role this year, before having to ruck the entire season, would've massively impacted his ability to compete.

Just needs to be told he's the #1 ruck and actually build his body for the role so he can hold his own against bigger bodies.

Xerri was pure trash up until this year, as an example. He put on size and got a good run at it and dominated after maturing.l

Reidy for a late pick, sure. If we traded our F1st and all we got were #10 and Reidy, I'd be filthy.

 

[Bacchus]

Giving a likely top 3 pick as part of a trade to pick up a rookie ruckman because his WAFL numbers are decent would simply be pure desperation.

Williams was fine last year in the ruck, having him train and build himself for a forward role this year, before having to ruck the entire season, would've massively impacted his ability to compete.

Just needs to be told he's the #1 ruck and actually build his body for the role so he can hold his own against bigger bodies.

Xerri was pure trash up until this year, as an example. He put on size and got a good run at it and dominated after maturing.l

Reidy for a late pick, sure. If we traded our F1st and all we got were #10 and Reidy, I'd be filthy.

Yes, may want more.

I think you are pretty optimistic about Bailey though. He was not fine in the ruck last year. He was getting a bath most weeks, and was probably the lowest rated #1 ruck in the league.

If he could reach anything nearing Xerri’s level that would be great. He can take a mark but then he usually stuffs the kick up.

 

[Elite Pete]

Oh, he's the best player of that lot, but it's a question of what we should pay.

I'd rather pick up Parfitt (free), Peatling (Free), Dev Rob (pick 50+), and take pick 23 to the draft, than not get the free guys and also use pick 23 on Baker.

Peatling won’t be free and with the contract offers he is getting they might want something semi decent in return now. Might cost a downgrade of 23? Not sure we can get it down with a 4th rounder and if the F2 is going in the TB trade not sure we would be keen on throwing in a F3 as we might need those points as they will be hard to get.

Do think that sort of thinking is where we have to go. No teens pick for Baker

 

[Peptide Pig]

We don’t actually have that many around Baker’s age (27 next year)

Darling and Barrass are both on their way out. Jones and Trew have been delisted with Rotham, L Edwards and possibly Witherden likely to follow. Gaff has retired

That leaves (age next year) :

33 - McGovern, Cripps
32 - Yeo
31 - Kelly
30 - Hunt, Sheed
29 - Ryan, Duggan
28 - Cole, Flynn
27 - Waterman
26 - Allen, Petruccelle
25 - B Williams, Jamieson, H Edwards
24 - Hutchinson
23 - Brockman

That’s 18 over 23 with the remaining 26 of the squad post draft to be 22 and under - less any mature talent like Baker and Graham we bring in

Baker walks into our best 22 and would be there for the next 5 years so it’s understandable why we’re looking at him. Ideally our F2 gets a trade done or (reluctantly) pick 23 which I’d prefer to use in the draft

Then there’s a myriad of other proposals using multiple picks or a third club - I posted one earlier that had us receiving Baker plus picks 13,30 and 39 for Barrass plus picks 23 and 59

I get that people are wary of us overpaying but Baker does fill a need provided he comes at a reasonable cost which we’ll just have to wait and see what that is

The ironic part is that most supporters are keen for us to offload just about any players in that 27-30 age bracket for draft picks or younger role-specific players. So spending draft capital for a non-role-specific 27 year old feels counter intuitive. If he was a FA and fit a specific need (like Hunt did with his speed) then great.

Richmond are doing with Baker what has been encouraged for us to do with Barass, Ryan and anyone else with currency who isn’t a captain or part of our spine going forward.

One giant issue is Liam Baker is a flanker. We do not need anymore flankers.... I cant express that any stronger. Its the LAST spot we need to look at

Id rather we spend our time on a guy like Neil Erasmus who we should be making a big offer for

Erasmus sits slightly above Garcia, Dev and Carroll for mine. 26 disposals and 11 tackles in the WAFL GF is very solid. Has racked up huge disposal numbers all year which is something we lack. If his ball use isn’t great then just get him to tackle and dish out to Harley. Erasmus is not getting a game at Freo any time soon if Bolton and Baker join the mid rotations, even if Fyfe calls time and JOM plays WAFL.

If freo and wce relations are good..

I think I read somewhere (cant remember where) freo could offer a first to North for their f1 to help with Chad at the end of 2025. If we concede we we won't get Chad, we could throw our f1 to freo for their pick 10 and reidy. We'd still have our first tied to Hawks in 2025 so it wouldn't hamstring us too much

Wce out F1
Wce in Travaglia + Reidy

Looking fwd to the melting over this suggestion

I’d rather Freo use their remaining (apparently bottomless) salary cap and picks on Bolton and Baker then WCE do the deal for NM F1 with Chad in our sights for next year. Wouldn’t be going out of our way to help Freo land a target we should be going hard for.

 

[bzparkes]

Yes, may want more.

I think you are pretty optimistic about Bailey though.
If he could reach anything nearing Xerri’s level that would be great. He can take a mark but then he usually stuffs the kick up.

Xerri was basically garbage before this year. He never had a year as good as Bailey's 2023, which people on here thought was bog average.

Rucks take way longer than any other position to develop.

Reidy's 2 months younger than Williams and has played a grand total of 2 AFL games.

Not sure why people are frothing over him. He may end up a good ruckman with exposure, he may not.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Erasmus issue is Brayshaw is his exact carbon copy. It fits into the same issue Matthew Kennedy has at Carlton. You cant play too many of that type in the same midffield

I dont think Erasmus is competing with Fyfe in the sense that Fyfe will be replaced by Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

. You cant compete with a guy thats being replaced already in that sense. Fyfes issue is he lost his ability to play up forward which is what they need one of the mids to do. Bolton will do that.

I dont think Eagles have that midfielder in our ranks, especially in regards to handballs out from the contest + inside tackling. He comes into the best 22 without any competition for his role. It should be a easy sell.... if we had the staff competent enough to sell our club....