List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Bacchus]

It manifestly is.

"it is peoples jobs to recruit for the club, us on here just have an opinion on what we see."

That's just a blank appeal to authority. Yeah they're paid to do it, so what? It's the deliverances of expert knowledge vs silly layman opinion?

Obviously there's a kind of idealistic or impractical mob-think that the fanbase can be prone to, and no one thinks club decisions should be somehow democratic, but I wonder how the relevant people would feel about pretty much everyone being totally dismayed with their conduct.

Nothing expert about trading #14 for Baker, and trading Barrass for #14 and little else.

 

[Obeanie1]

If you say so bud.

Its not just him saying so bud!

 

[pantskyle]

What is that being based on. Vic media nuffies?

Will keep the powder (nappies) dry until we see the full deal.

14 for Baker? I think that's very close to happening after the Barrass deal.

 

[pantskyle]

Its not just him saying so bud!

To be honest man I couldn't care less what you think.

 

[Ridge Renegade]

West Coast bending over and taking it raw at the trade table?

Surely not!

I see what you’re saying. We should have hired P Diddy in Clarke’s role.

 

[BartBart]

Not draft/trade related but on Trade Radio atm.

Discussion with Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

is great - intelligent without the usual footy euphamisms.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

pantskyle

Back in August you said:

"If we essentially swap Barrass for Baker we're at the bottom for the next decade. That's squad killing moves."

Now you seem OK with Barrass for Baker + steak knives.

What's changed?

 

[Obeanie1]

Remember when we all thought a new list manager would put behind us the days of being soft at the trade table?

No more Pie man, no more crazy Vozzo.

Surely things will be different.

We’re all idiots, at least now I can brace myself and deal with it. I just wish I was wearing knee pads today.

 

[EagleEgo]

Looks like our pick #3 will be for Baker + Bo Allan if TB trade is not done in time.

 

[amazingjoshy]

14 for Baker? I think that's very close to happening after the Barrass deal.

Straight swap 14 for Baker is overs

14 for Baker with 24 coming back is a pretty good deal imo

 

[Obeanie1]

To be honest man I couldn't care less what you think.

Ditto.

 

[Doashuey]

Trade week update:
WCE- yet to see any movement on either the Barrass trade or the Baker trade however the BF board is sending out a flood warning as they need to release 2 dam gates as the level of piss is threatening to cause a catestrophic dam wall failure without a release. Authorities are concerned the gates wont be able to deal with the catchment deluge when a deal does get done.
Residents are advised to evacuate the state if able to do so.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Trading back for Chesser and Burgel haha man Ah well I guess if you keep trying the same thing over and over again you'll eventually get a different results. Right?

ThRoW mORe DaRtS aT tHe BoArD

 

[pantskyle]

pantskyle

Back in August you said:

"If we essentially swap Barrass for Baker we're at the bottom for the next decade. That's squad killing moves."

Now you seem OK with Barrass for Baker + steak knives.

What's changed?

Coming to terms with it happening, doing more research into the player and how he is viewed outside of my own bubble, seeing that potentially pick 24 is coming back with him.

First pick on night 2 of the draft could be sold for a kings ransom.

 

[fryzie]

We can all have our own opinions on players and drafts but at the end of the day we get no say, I've long since gotten over getting worked up over trades and drafts.

I've had one recruiter tell me we should consider ourselves lucky that such a good player in Baker wants to play for us, going by a lot of opinions here we're mad to even be considering him.

Nothings ever going to be universally accepted unless it is H.Reid pick 1.

Putting aside opinions on the specifics of players and drafts, trading a contracted key position player for an uncontracted half forward is objectively bad.

Just because they are two separate deals that achieve this outcome doesn't change that.

I understand there's probably not an easy solution, but this is what the experts get paid for.

We shouldn't have made any promises to Baker without a caveat that we would only trade if we are getting fair value and ensure he was comfortable rolling the dice on the draft if that couldn't be achieved.

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[pantskyle]

Putting aside opinions on the specifics of players and drafts, trading a contracted key position player for an uncontracted player is objectively bad.

Just because they are two separate deals that achieve this outcome doesn't change that.

I understand there's probably not an easy solution, but this is what the experts get paid for.

We shouldn't have made any promises to Baker without a caveat that we would only trade if we are getting fair value and ensure he was comfortable rolling the dice on the draft if that couldn't be achieved.

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I think we just wait to see what the final trade is.

Baker and 24 for 14 good
Baker for 14 bad

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I'm kind of hoping the Bolton, Rioli, Baker trade talks are just clubs taking the piss with Richmond, and that they all pull out of the deals leaving Richmond with no picks, and disgruntled players that took them to :checks notes: the wooden spoon :checks notes:

Pay back for the premierships and just generally being arseholes.

 

[EagleEgo]

Trade week update:
WCE- yet to see any movement on either the Barrass trade or the Baker trade however the BF board is sending out a flood warning as they need to release 2 dam gates as the level of piss is threatening to cause a catestrophic dam wall failure without a release. Authorities are concerned the gates wont be able to deal with the catchment deluge when a deal does get done.
Residents are advised to evacuate the state if able to do so.

We have a Water Corp Eagles member here!
WA is so dry that the water from the dam is not sufficient to reach Victoria Park nor the Eagles Head Quarter.

 

[ep2018]

If Richmond are demanding picks 6 and 13 for Rioli, cant see them offering anything back with Baker for 14.

A shitty situation but I'm coming around to the viewpoint that using what we get for Barrass means we keep pick 3 untouched.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

Barrass for 14 and 30

14 for Baker and 24

Is acceptable (not great but OK). Any less than this (we are overpaying)

Any down grade of pick 3 should be a separate deal

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The Rioli talk is amazing. There's a direct peer who is the same age, same contract length, same position, but a better player across the board, who is up for trade in Houston, and the disconnect on what people are talking about as their trade value is just amazing.

 

[bzparkes]

The Rioli talk is amazing. There's a direct peer who is the same age, same contract length, same position, but a better player across the board, who is up for trade in Houston, and the disconnect on what people are talking about as their trade value is just amazing.

It's because Gold Coast simply don't value high draft picks the same way other clubs do, due to their academy.

 

[rebel23]

How are Richmond able to demand #6 and #13 for Rioli and Collingwood #13 for Noble and we can’t do much better than #14 for Barrass?

What is wrong with our club, we are so weak. This is a reason why we are in the hole that we are in.
Maybe Worsfold can help.

Absolutely agree...

And this on top of leaving our defence with a massive hole with no cover(hedwards not at all proven)

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Yep I’m pretty comfortable that he is referring to the Dees and not us but who knows what is going through Clarke’s head. We might use pick 3 on Dev.

So Melbourne banking western Australian talent to have a crack at Harley in 2 years then!!

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[HoneyBadger35]

Geelong didnt trade Kelly and treat him like a human . They got the picks that got them Cameron and a premiership .

We’ve already established that Geelong are hard ass campaigners but that every other fan base thinks their list management team is the softest and weakest in footy.

Some serious SuperCoach/FIFA manager mode headspace in this thread.