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Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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WCE_phil said:
Right, before I go for drinks i'll give a few extra details.

We couldn't take Owies as a DFA as Carlton were willing to offer him a 1 year deal and with all the players Richmond were losing they would have taken him in the PSD or he entered the ND and was likely still picked up before we had an opportunity to use a third pick on him. The picks the club had at that part of the draft were considered negligible. Players can't just delist themselves if there is even a 1 year offer on the table on small money.

Someone overcommitted to Baker which put us on the backfoot from the beginning. People need to understand though that if a deal wasn't done he would have re-signed with Richmond. Baker and Bolton do not get along and refused to be at the same club next year. Baker pulled a Judd and said he would only come if the Tigers were adequately compensated and Graham came as well. I'm still very unhappy with the trade however it really was a rock and a hard place situation. Mini was adamant about Graham and Baker and so was Clarke. I was pulled out of that one. So the moment we weren't able to get the tigers band 3 compo for Graham and he was confirmed as coming Richmond held the whip hand.

If Sydney won the grand final pick 3 and our future first was going to Sydney for Warner and what is now pick 22.

Darling was a goodwill trade (for Jack, not north)

The club as it stands currently will be taking minimal picks in this draft and next year will have up to 4 first round picks to use / trade as well as multiple seconds and thirds. Next years draft has imo better top end talents but when you take all the club tied players out nowhere near the depth.

I firmly believe in the depth of this draft and that all of the top picks have major question marks. Also a few who don't want to come to WA. They don't outright come and say it, but you know, particularly when you are talking to them and their families.

I really think pick 3 for 12 & 14 in this draft isn't a bad trade. It's not exceptional, but it's not a bad trade. The issue is that 14 was used instantly for Baker and I think this is what people (including myself) aren't happy with. Freo ****ed us as well on multiple accounts. If the Bolton trade went through first I firmly believe we could have upgraded our pick 26 as part of the deal.

All in all it's not horrendous but it's not great or even good. However if we didn't secure Warner, pick 3 was going to end up being split either way.

The club isn't expecting miracles next year but is expecting enough wins and positivity to be able to start attracting higher level established talent.

Now we hopefully get to death ride the hawks and they finish with 3-4 less wins with teams putting a lot more effort into countering them and a much tougher draw.

I'll answer questions in regards to some of the players chased and even some we had commitments from before bigger deals came over the top and they went elsewhere.

Richmond are going to go hard for pick 2.

Oh and lastly Paul Connors is a complete campaigner.

Apologies my hands were tied and all I ended up landing at the club was Matt Owies, however I hope getting significantly more than what was originally offered and even on the table with 30-40 minutes left to go on the Barrass deal helps make up for it.
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Mate you did nothing stop pretending.....
 
WCE_phil said:
Someone overcommitted to Baker which put us on the backfoot from the beginning. People need to understand though that if a deal wasn't done he would have re-signed with Richmond. Baker and Bolton do not get along and refused to be at the same club next year. Baker pulled a Judd and said he would only come if the Tigers were adequately compensated and Graham came as well. I'm still very unhappy with the trade however it really was a rock and a hard place situation. Mini was adamant about Graham and Baker and so was Clarke. I was pulled out of that one. So the moment we weren't able to get the tigers band 3 compo for Graham and he was confirmed as coming Richmond held the whip hand.
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Surely we saw this coming, right? And by we, I mean Don and the board.
 

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We can moan and melt till the cows come home. What's done is done.

P3 would have been nice, but our fortunes weren't going to be changed by a P3 alone.

It's time for some of our young guys to grab the team as theirs and run with it

  • Ginbey, 3 preseason in, needs to stamp his place in the league as an emerging A grader
  • Hewitt/Long needs to get on the park
  • Chesser desperately need a break out year
  • Hall/ A Reid/Livingston/Cully need to start DOMINATING the WAFL
  • Hough/Maric/Hutch, building nicely cannot afford to plateau

Richmond will be an interesting watch, basically 1/6th of their squad in as this year's 1st rounders, could be a bloodbath of a year
And Hawks, we've seen this story before, young overachieving team shoot up the ladder, than fall back the next season
For us, 🤷, throw a dart, who knows
 
WCE_phil said:
Right, before I go for drinks i'll give a few extra details.

We couldn't take Owies as a DFA as Carlton were willing to offer him a 1 year deal and with all the players Richmond were losing they would have taken him in the PSD or he entered the ND and was likely still picked up before we had an opportunity to use a third pick on him. The picks the club had at that part of the draft were considered negligible. Players can't just delist themselves if there is even a 1 year offer on the table on small money.

Someone overcommitted to Baker which put us on the backfoot from the beginning. People need to understand though that if a deal wasn't done he would have re-signed with Richmond. Baker and Bolton do not get along and refused to be at the same club next year. Baker pulled a Judd and said he would only come if the Tigers were adequately compensated and Graham came as well. I'm still very unhappy with the trade however it really was a rock and a hard place situation. Mini was adamant about Graham and Baker and so was Clarke. I was pulled out of that one. So the moment we weren't able to get the tigers band 3 compo for Graham and he was confirmed as coming Richmond held the whip hand.

If Sydney won the grand final pick 3 and our future first was going to Sydney for Warner and what is now pick 22.

Darling was a goodwill trade (for Jack, not north)

The club as it stands currently will be taking minimal picks in this draft and next year will have up to 4 first round picks to use / trade as well as multiple seconds and thirds. Next years draft has imo better top end talents but when you take all the club tied players out nowhere near the depth.

I firmly believe in the depth of this draft and that all of the top picks have major question marks. Also a few who don't want to come to WA. They don't outright come and say it, but you know, particularly when you are talking to them and their families.

I really think pick 3 for 12 & 14 in this draft isn't a bad trade. It's not exceptional, but it's not a bad trade. The issue is that 14 was used instantly for Baker and I think this is what people (including myself) aren't happy with. Freo ****ed us as well on multiple accounts. If the Bolton trade went through first I firmly believe we could have upgraded our pick 26 as part of the deal.

All in all it's not horrendous but it's not great or even good. However if we didn't secure Warner, pick 3 was going to end up being split either way.

The club isn't expecting miracles next year but is expecting enough wins and positivity to be able to start attracting higher level established talent.

Now we hopefully get to death ride the hawks and they finish with 3-4 less wins with teams putting a lot more effort into countering them and a much tougher draw.

I'll answer questions in regards to some of the players chased and even some we had commitments from before bigger deals came over the top and they went elsewhere.

Richmond are going to go hard for pick 2.

Oh and lastly Paul Connors is a complete campaigner.

Apologies my hands were tied and all I ended up landing at the club was Matt Owies, however I hope getting significantly more than what was originally offered and even on the table with 30-40 minutes left to go on the Barrass deal helps make up for it.
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Appreciate your hard work mate. Have a good night .( drinks or culpa tea ) Thanks for explaining everything you sound like a good bloke and you guys dealt best with what was promised to Baker . Also that Mitchell white anted us with talking Barrass to ask a trade . Glad we didn't get Bolton he sounds like a Docker type and knowing Baker doesn't get on with him is cool too .
 
I really don't like this whole new Richmond clique thing going on. Phil's feedback really isn't of a positive nature.


"I'll only come if X player comes as well..."

"I'm not nominating your club until Mini is announced as coach..."

Mini (already don't like this prick) is big on Baker, and his mates...

Clarke lives Mini. Mini loves Clarke. Mini big on Graham. Graham big on Relton.

Yada Yada Yada. Since when have we done business like this? Whole thing seems dodgy AF. Very irresponsible from Pyke to allow it to happen.

And if the entire Baker/Graham thing fell through, so what? Would anyone other than Mcqualter and his mate Clarke actually care if we didn't get those players?

Oh oh oh but we're lacking in 23-27 bracket.. yeah no shit. So get Dev, Carroll, Peatling, Garcia, and whatever other SENSIBLE targets that don't involve you also bring their buddy or some other bullshit condition like ensuring X pick is used to compensate their old club across.
 
WCE_phil said:
Right, before I go for drinks i'll give a few extra details.

We couldn't take Owies as a DFA as Carlton were willing to offer him a 1 year deal and with all the players Richmond were losing they would have taken him in the PSD or he entered the ND and was likely still picked up before we had an opportunity to use a third pick on him. The picks the club had at that part of the draft were considered negligible. Players can't just delist themselves if there is even a 1 year offer on the table on small money.

Someone overcommitted to Baker which put us on the backfoot from the beginning. People need to understand though that if a deal wasn't done he would have re-signed with Richmond. Baker and Bolton do not get along and refused to be at the same club next year. Baker pulled a Judd and said he would only come if the Tigers were adequately compensated and Graham came as well. I'm still very unhappy with the trade however it really was a rock and a hard place situation. Mini was adamant about Graham and Baker and so was Clarke. I was pulled out of that one. So the moment we weren't able to get the tigers band 3 compo for Graham and he was confirmed as coming Richmond held the whip hand.

If Sydney won the grand final pick 3 and our future first was going to Sydney for Warner and what is now pick 22.

Darling was a goodwill trade (for Jack, not north)

The club as it stands currently will be taking minimal picks in this draft and next year will have up to 4 first round picks to use / trade as well as multiple seconds and thirds. Next years draft has imo better top end talents but when you take all the club tied players out nowhere near the depth.

I firmly believe in the depth of this draft and that all of the top picks have major question marks. Also a few who don't want to come to WA. They don't outright come and say it, but you know, particularly when you are talking to them and their families.

I really think pick 3 for 12 & 14 in this draft isn't a bad trade. It's not exceptional, but it's not a bad trade. The issue is that 14 was used instantly for Baker and I think this is what people (including myself) aren't happy with. Freo ****ed us as well on multiple accounts. If the Bolton trade went through first I firmly believe we could have upgraded our pick 26 as part of the deal.

All in all it's not horrendous but it's not great or even good. However if we didn't secure Warner, pick 3 was going to end up being split either way.

The club isn't expecting miracles next year but is expecting enough wins and positivity to be able to start attracting higher level established talent.

Now we hopefully get to death ride the hawks and they finish with 3-4 less wins with teams putting a lot more effort into countering them and a much tougher draw.

I'll answer questions in regards to some of the players chased and even some we had commitments from before bigger deals came over the top and they went elsewhere.

Richmond are going to go hard for pick 2.

Oh and lastly Paul Connors is a complete campaigner.

Apologies my hands were tied and all I ended up landing at the club was Matt Owies, however I hope getting significantly more than what was originally offered and even on the table with 30-40 minutes left to go on the Barrass deal helps make up for it.
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My overarching question based on this is the following:

WHY was the club so laser focused on getting Baker, to the point that he acted as the hinge to our entire trade period?

I understand that someone "over committed", but so what if Baker didnt end up at West Coast this year? Was that person's job on the line if they failed to deliver? Was the club worried about the scrutiny on its perception? Was McQualter such a standout coaching candidate that refusing to acquiesce to his demands would see us lose his signature?

WTF is the reasoning?
 
So Matt Clark on friday became a hero for apparently showing balls and making hawks trade their top pick for future. He ends the trade period as an absolute bitch. Might have not been a week but as they say, a weeks a long time in footy
 

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Mr Meeseeks said:
A lot of you guys need to chill.

This trade between Carlton and Hawthorn is good for everyone.

Eagles want a 1st and 2nd and hawks don't want to pay that. They want to keep a 2nd next year.

Mackenzie has cleverly unlocked an extra 2nd so now we can satisfy Clark with a 1st and 2nd while keeping a 2nd next year

The only difference is that the Eagles get a F1 instead of 14. But that strengthens the possibility of getting Warner next year anyway.

Everyone wins here.
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Well blow me down it turns out I was right.

The expectation from some pasrt of the west were unrealistic. 2 firsts for a 29 year old with a poor injury record is way over when a 23 year old former top 10 pick is moving for pick 17 in the same week.

Albeit one is contracted and the other isn't but still.

Sometimes you get what you can for older players when in a rebuild because you need to get games into the young guys under them.. We did it with Mitchell and OMeara and it worked out fine. Barrass was never going to be in the next flag.

Eagles have a nice hand for next year now. Attack the Chad!
 
Dark Sharks said:
And if the entire Baker/Graham thing fell through, so what? Would anyone other than Mcqualter and his mate Clarke actually care if we didn't get those players?
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Phil's mentioned a couple of times now that "we were worried Baker would re-sign with Richmond".

Why did we care so much about that? There's more going on here.
 
WCE_phil said:
Right, before I go for drinks i'll give a few extra details.

We couldn't take Owies as a DFA as Carlton were willing to offer him a 1 year deal and with all the players Richmond were losing they would have taken him in the PSD or he entered the ND and was likely still picked up before we had an opportunity to use a third pick on him. The picks the club had at that part of the draft were considered negligible. Players can't just delist themselves if there is even a 1 year offer on the table on small money.

Someone overcommitted to Baker which put us on the backfoot from the beginning. People need to understand though that if a deal wasn't done he would have re-signed with Richmond. Baker and Bolton do not get along and refused to be at the same club next year. Baker pulled a Judd and said he would only come if the Tigers were adequately compensated and Graham came as well. I'm still very unhappy with the trade however it really was a rock and a hard place situation. Mini was adamant about Graham and Baker and so was Clarke. I was pulled out of that one. So the moment we weren't able to get the tigers band 3 compo for Graham and he was confirmed as coming Richmond held the whip hand.

If Sydney won the grand final pick 3 and our future first was going to Sydney for Warner and what is now pick 22.

Darling was a goodwill trade (for Jack, not north)

The club as it stands currently will be taking minimal picks in this draft and next year will have up to 4 first round picks to use / trade as well as multiple seconds and thirds. Next years draft has imo better top end talents but when you take all the club tied players out nowhere near the depth.

I firmly believe in the depth of this draft and that all of the top picks have major question marks. Also a few who don't want to come to WA. They don't outright come and say it, but you know, particularly when you are talking to them and their families.

I really think pick 3 for 12 & 14 in this draft isn't a bad trade. It's not exceptional, but it's not a bad trade. The issue is that 14 was used instantly for Baker and I think this is what people (including myself) aren't happy with. Freo ****ed us as well on multiple accounts. If the Bolton trade went through first I firmly believe we could have upgraded our pick 26 as part of the deal.

All in all it's not horrendous but it's not great or even good. However if we didn't secure Warner, pick 3 was going to end up being split either way.

The club isn't expecting miracles next year but is expecting enough wins and positivity to be able to start attracting higher level established talent.

Now we hopefully get to death ride the hawks and they finish with 3-4 less wins with teams putting a lot more effort into countering them and a much tougher draw.

I'll answer questions in regards to some of the players chased and even some we had commitments from before bigger deals came over the top and they went elsewhere.

Richmond are going to go hard for pick 2.

Oh and lastly Paul Connors is a complete campaigner.

Apologies my hands were tied and all I ended up landing at the club was Matt Owies, however I hope getting significantly more than what was originally offered and even on the table with 30-40 minutes left to go on the Barrass deal helps make up for it.
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That's the thing that shits me. We overcommit.

One has to walk away at a threshold. Pick 10? Pick 8? What was it?

It should have been 25.
 
Manbearpig77 said:
The Barrass deal was actually pretty amenable.

What infuriates me is why not wait to complete that trade before trading for Baker?

Then we could have offered pick 26 and the Hawks F2. If they were still jerks and dug their heels in I’d have been (begrudgingly) fine trading the Hawks F1.

Then we keep 3 and still end up with Baker.

And who could possibly care if we didn’t land Mitch Owies.

Feels like there wasn’t a coherent strategy in place for this trade period. Which after the last 3 and a half years sadly isn’t surprising.
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They also profited off trading pick 14 since they now own Carlton's 2025 1st and 2nd round picks, but they have traded us their own ones.
So, they've traded us less than the return they got for pick 14, plus their F3, for Barrass & our F4.
Complete bulls**t.
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