List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[ziad]

Max Gawn, Brodie Grundy, Nic Nat have all either won recent flags or played in a grand final. Yes, you don’t need a star ruck if you can compensate in other areas, the ruck is only one position on the ground amongst 18 after all. The point being you need A grade players capable of influencing matches spread across the park if you want to go far. If one of those spots where we happen to get an edge is the ruck with Jackson in the team, why not?

Weve invested pick 2 on a ruck before, which turned out pretty good for us.

I guess the counter to that is that Jackson doesnt seem to be the dominant ruckman you would take at 2 as Nic was in his second season, he is a fine athlete but 6" shoryer than Gawn who does influence games. In addition as our list is developing a ruckman is great to have but not our highest priority need.

 

[ziad]

Agreed. Bear in mind, the comedy often gets confused on this board if it’s too subtle


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Its a war of words:

Agreed. Bear in mind, the comedy often gets confused on this board if it’s too subtle


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[bh90210fan]

I guess the counter to that is that Jackson doesnt seem to be the dominant ruckman you would take at 2 as Nic was in his second season, he is a fine athlete but 6" shoryer than Gawn who does influence games. In addition as our list is developing a ruckman is great to have but not our highest priority need.

Id say getting a dependable ruck to take over the reigns from NicNat is a high priority need.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Nic Nat v Jackson at same age.

Luke Jackson and Nicholas Naitanui AFL Stats Comparison

Luke Jackson and Nicholas Naitanui AFL Stats Comparison.

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A good comparison as gawn/cox were dominant number 1’s at time.

Similar stats, except Nic Nat won a lot more hit outs. That’s my concern. What if he tops out at 15-18 touches and is only ordinary at hit outs. What’s that worth? Better off having a genuine gun mid capable of 30 touches and a B grade ruck giving you 12-13 touches and similar hitout totals.

 

[Forward Press]

I guess the counter to that is that Jackson doesnt seem to be the dominant ruckman you would take at 2 as Nic was in his second season, he is a fine athlete but 6" shoryer than Gawn who does influence games. In addition as our list is developing a ruckman is great to have but not our highest priority need.

NN is a whole 2cm taller than Jackson and the entire reason why Jackson wasn't as dominant in his second season is because he's not even 21 and isn't going to displace a multiple All Australian ruckman in his prime easily. I think everyone here agrees that Bailey Williams and Callum Jamieson are both not yet ready to become AFL calibre primary ruckmen - if ever.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Max Gawn, Brodie Grundy, Nic Nat have all either won recent flags or played in a grand final. Yes, you don’t need a star ruck if you can compensate in other areas, the ruck is only one position on the ground amongst 18 after all. The point being you need A grade players capable of influencing matches spread across the park if you want to go far. If one of those spots where we happen to get an edge is the ruck with Jackson in the team, why not?

Weve invested pick 2 on a ruck before, which turned out pretty good for us.

That 2 of the 3 guys you've used as examples aren't even premiership ruckman probably says it all

On an unrelated note, I think I can now tell who on here played ruck

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I’m not an English fan in terms of ruck work but if want a capable ruck around the ground. Jackson’s projection. Why not load up on mids this year and next and just grab English as a restricted free agent in 2024. Coincidentally when Nic Nats contract ends.

Costs you nothing compared to Jackson.

 

[Seadog]

Why would Jackson want that though? It should be against his self interest given he wants Freo to be as good as possible and Melbourne to be As crap as possible moving forward.

I would think Jackson's priorities would be something like -
1- Get home to WA
2- Make a shitload of money
3- leave on good terms with the MFC

The Dockers draft capital somewhere well below that.

 

[ziad]

Id say getting a dependable ruck to take over the reigns from NicNat is a high priority need.

but not the highest - check our our midfield rotations and pacey wingers

Id say getting a dependable ruck to take over the reigns from NicNat is a high priority need.

That 2 of the 3 guys you've used as examples aren't even premiership ruckman probably says it all

On an unrelated note, I think I can now tell who on here played ruck

Its all about language and a prioriry V our highest priority. Words count.

 

[KERRPOW]

So Culley is a mummas boy?

He would have been a late end of first round pick, doesnt count.

Plus any bloke that works at charcoal chicken is alright by me

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I’m not an English fan in terms of ruck work but if want a capable ruck around the ground. Jackson’s projection. Why not load up on mids this year and next and just grab English as a restricted free agent in 2024. Coincidentally when Nic Nats contract ends.

Costs you nothing compared to Jackson.

This

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

NN is a whole 2cm taller than Jackson and the entire reason why Jackson wasn't as dominant in his second season is because he's not even 21 and isn't going to displace a multiple All Australian ruckman in his prime easily. I think everyone here agrees that Bailey Williams and Callum Jamieson are both not yet ready to become AFL calibre primary ruckmen - if ever.

NN was incredibly dominant in the ruck last couple years and it did nothing to paper over our midfield deficiencies. I firmly believe a good ruck is a bonus, but not essential to a flag. Williams and Jamieson showed some good signs at times, I'd rather give them a chance and use our early picks to build the midfield.

 

[Forward Press]

I’m not an English fan in terms of ruck work but if want a capable ruck around the ground. Jackson’s projection. Why not load up on mids this year and next and just grab English as a restricted free agent in 2024. Coincidentally when Nic Nats contract ends.

Costs you nothing compared to Jackson.

Luke Jackson wants to move west now.

There is no guarantee Tim English wants to do the same in 2024 - plenty of water to go under the bridge in two years.

 

[KERRPOW]

NN is a whole 2cm taller than Jackson and the entire reason why Jackson wasn't as dominant in his second season is because he's not even 21 and isn't going to displace a multiple All Australian ruckman in his prime easily. I think everyone here agrees that Bailey Williams and Callum Jamieson are both not yet ready to become AFL calibre primary ruckmen - if ever.

Im going on a hunch....never

 

[Forward Press]

NN was incredibly dominant in the ruck last couple years and it did nothing to paper over our midfield deficiencies. I firmly believe a good ruck is a bonus, but not essential to a flag. Williams and Jamieson showed some good signs at times, I'd rather give them a chance and use our early picks to build the midfield.

We're not talking about pick 2 for Tim English or Oscar McInerney though - this is Luke Jackson. He will make any side he is in better, this is not in dispute, and he's not even 21 yet - he looks set for a decade long career. Do you think Williams or CJ can even come close to matching Jackson based on exposed form so far?

 

[Into The Black]

NN was incredibly dominant in the ruck last couple years and it did nothing to paper over our midfield deficiencies. I firmly believe a good ruck is a bonus, but not essential to a flag. Williams and Jamieson showed some good signs at times, I'd rather give them a chance and use our early picks to build the midfield.

Lycett and Vardy are living proof of that.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

We're not talking about pick 2 for Tim English or Oscar McInerney though - this is Luke Jackson. He will make any side he is in better, this is not in dispute, and he's not even 21 yet - he looks set for a decade long career. Do you think Williams or CJ can even come close to matching Jackson based on exposed form so far?

My point was largely that I value an elite midfielder above an elite ruck.

 

[bh90210fan]

I’m not an English fan in terms of ruck work but if want a capable ruck around the ground. Jackson’s projection. Why not load up on mids this year and next and just grab English as a restricted free agent in 2024. Coincidentally when Nic Nats contract ends.

Costs you nothing compared to Jackson.

Because who knows if English will be available in 2 years?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Because who knows if English will be available in 2 years?

Then we find another Lycett, Sinclair, Vardy, Hickey. All rucks we picked up for bugger all and got playing their best footy.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Keen for Jackson to come over and tap it to tumbleweeds 10 times a game all for the low, low price of Pick 2.

 

[UseR2006]

Well it's official, He's made the Request to come back to WA.
Did not nominate a club.

 

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[CountryLad]

Be interesting once it’s announced re Jackson . I’m feeling that we are a chance to land him.
B Williams hasn’t been re signed, we probably have the picks to suit Dees and probably the salary cap to do so to if his contract was back ended.

 

[Magnum27]

A good big man is much harder to find than a midfielder, the draft has been littered with midfielders drafted later in the draft who have had great careers.

How many big men have done that, will a quality mid make the difference next year, why not get a quality big whilst we can, who can learn off Nic.

I would give up pick 2 in a heartbeat for him.

 

[Forward Press]

My point was largely that I value an elite midfielder above an elite ruck.

I do too, but we cannot know for certain that the pick 2 potential elite midfielder would turn out to be a better get for our side than Luke Jackson, a Rising Star ruck who is on the cusp of being an elite ruckman.

If pick 2 turned out to be say a Cam Rayner - would you be okay with that?