List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[FKASC]

My big concern is that I haven't seen a full game where he has been "dominant". As an example, by Y2 Darling already had a few 5 goal games. Yes, he is AFL quality, but we will be paying star trade price and superstar salary for potential.

Jackson's still learning how to play as a key forward by the looks. I doubt he would have spent much time playing KPF in juniors before being drafted, I might be wrong.

He's definitely got more ability as a follower than a forward, but has lacked chances to fully build momentum as a full time ruckman due to sharing time with Gawn. Like NN his follow up work once the ball hits the ground and contests are created is absolutely elite for a ruckman. Unquestionably IMO.

Unlike NN he doesn't have that ridiculous ability to dominate taps, so I think for that reason some people don't see what's so special. He has a big leap, but for some reason doesn't use it like to the extent NN does in centre bounces.

 

[ziad]

hmmm - maybe Jack's value outside of our eyes is more than you think
premiership KPF with 500+ goals and some years left (can also backflip and do spring thing)
vs
Luke Jacksons spotty yet loaded with potential resume

I like Luke but potential is spelt Tom Swift

 

[pantskyle]

You seem quite cynical about comments on the strength of the 2023 draft. It is not the greatest draft ever - I cannot recall anyone stating that.

What it does have that this year does not have is a op KPP's that look top end and some really good mids. The expected outcome will be that the top 10 in 2023 will look more like the top 10 of 2018.

I actually like the draft this year but it does not have the 5 to 8 players at the pointy end. I think it feels more like the 2016 and 2017 draft top end. Again, loads of good players in both these years but the top end not outstanding.

I'm just more interested in getting decent now than 12 months as you can have no idea what happens.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I'm just more interested in getting decent now than 12 months as you can have no idea what happens.

Exactly. How often does a kid look a million bucks at U16 only to shit the bed in U18

See also: Our recent drafting history

 

[The Passenger]

Jackson being criminally underrated by some on here. Would do him for 2 in a heartbeat.

If it was for pick 2 only then yeah you'd have to consider it very very strongly.

But I can't see it just being pick 2. He's a high draft pick whose value has only gone up in the three years he has been in the system.

 

[Keys]

TK has nothing to do with us not having a top 10 pick.

The farm we apparently sold there is grossly over-exaggerated

Facts are important

Except if you’re a part of the AFL media then they’re something to be used loosely or not at all

 

[eaglespremiers]

Would be stoked with that but there's no way Melbourne agree to that.

Far better than what Fremantle can currently put on the table atm.

 

[MrWoollie]

TK has nothing to do with us not having a top 10 pick.

The farm we apparently sold there is grossly over-exaggerated

It may not have been a cattle ranch, but it was not a poor man's hobby farm either.

Draft points value comparison is somewhat subjective, but the TK points give up exceeded the value of the #1 draft pick; and that does give some idea of what we paid. #1 draft pick plus = That's still a decent sized farm if you ask me.

 

[THE A5]

Nic nat re-signed

 

[Chad in Vegas]

Nic nat re-signed

and BWilliams

 

[Keys]

Nic nat re-signed

And Bailey

 

[squashface]

Good that we’re backing Williams in for the next two seasons despite his average form at times.

He’s still so young but copped it on this board in 2022. Keen to give him some time

 

[Free Agent]

Good that we’re backing Williams in for the next two seasons despite his average form at times.

He’s still so young but copped it on this board in 2022. Keen to give him some time

Big two years for William's though. Make or break time for him.

 

[Keys]

Both for 2 years

I also like this from Naitanui

Naitanui has constantly been around the club since the end of its season as he focuses on getting himself ready for what looms as a big – and important – pre-season.

“I had my surgery a couple of weeks ago and I have been in here most days doing my rehab and getting myself ready for the pre-season,” he said.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The fact that they openly state in the first paragraph that both deals are for two years just makes it all the more baffling that they withheld that info when announcing Jamieson and Jones.

 

[The Passenger]

Yep, 22 is too young to cut a ruckman unless they've genuinely shown they are spud material. But if Williams hasn't improved by the age of 24 that's him done.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

If it was for pick 2 only then yeah you'd have to consider it very very strongly.

But I can't see it just being pick 2. He's a high draft pick whose value has only gone up in the three years he has been in the system.

I think it depends on what Freo have to offer. Pick 2 trumps anything they have, so unless dees value quantity over quality, pick 2 potentially more than we need to offer.

 

[CountryLad]

If it was for pick 2 only then yeah you'd have to consider it very very strongly.

But I can't see it just being pick 2. He's a high draft pick whose value has only gone up in the three years he has been in the system.

Reckon Dees would go pick 2 and maybe a third or future 3rd would get it done. Be better than anything Freo will be come up with but Jackson has to want to come to us

 

[UseR2006]

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Think (hope) that re signing Williams should nix any interest we had in Meek or another mature age ruckman.

Should definitely take one in the draft though.

 

[new breed]

Good signings , Bailey signing on for another two season is good ...he is a beast and improve further as confidence grows !!

 

[GWeagles]

Both for 2 years

I also like this from Naitanui

As long as he wasn’t in Hungry Jacks’s when he said “in here.”

If he can be fit and lean he is still a weapon and Bailey is not a lost cause.

 

[Royals]

Does the Signing of Nick and Bailey show a disinterest in Jackson, or do we want him as a CHF?

 

[UseR2006]

The fact that they openly state in the first paragraph that both deals are for two years just makes it all the more baffling that they withheld that info when announcing Jamieson and Jones.

Could be a player request? "hey please dont disclose the length" type thing from the individual player?

 

[Ochre]

"I was always going to re-sign if the club wanted to, there was never any fear or need to go elsewhere, so I’m really over the moon."

Glad we gave him two years then.