List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Keys]

So.....

as it stand 34 on the main list and 4 rookies. Take 4 in the draft gets us to 42, which is the limit. Assuming Hurn plays on, decisions required on Witherdon, Trew, Winder and West. Letting any of these go open up rookie picks or pick 2 in the PSD.

Thoughts on what's happens next?

I’m growing increasingly suspicious that Witherden has a contract for next year. When he was first signed he was said to be coming in on a two year deal, but that was in media reports and not from the club. Like Langdon, I think he may have signed for 3 years- zero hanger has him contracted for 2023 and Ryan Daniels has indicated previously Witherden has a contract

I also think if he didn’t have a contract, we’d have delisted him or at least put him up for trade similar to what we did with Nelson

So that would give us 34 main list and 1 rookie list player

I’d move Langdon and/or Foley to the rookie list to create 5 main list spots. Use 4 picks in the draft, keeping one spot available for a bargain late draft pickup or a DFA/SSP selection after the draft

We’d then have 2 rookie spots remaining. Use our first pick in the rookie draft, and then choose between Winder, West, Trew or another rookie selection based on who’s available at that point of the RD. If Witherden doesn’t have a contract, delist him and take a second from that group of options

 

[BeeTee]

When do all our unfit players start training ?


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About 1 week before the first injury report comes out saying that 10 players are not training and that 4 of them are TBC's...

 

[squashface]

Nice words I guess, but he’s still a bit of a campaigner

 

[sey666]

Is it possible to salary dump Langdon with pick 78? The sight of Langdon playing small forward for us next year would be more depressing than seeing Riolli in Port colours.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Is it possible to salary dump Langdon with pick 78? The sight of Langdon playing small forward for us next year would be more depressing than seeing Riolli in Port colours.

Yes, but it includes pick 8.

 

[bh90210fan]

Would be nice if we had a shot at him

 

[Keys]

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First to fourth year players- November 21

Remainder of squad - December 5 (returning earlier is optional)

These dates are set by the AFL/AFLPA and cannot be changed by the club

 

[Nigellathechook]

Gold Coast want a future second for J Sharpe…Dockers unable to oblige. Are we interested?

 

[JackOutback]

You cannot downgrade a player from the National Draft in their initial 2 year contract - so no to Clark. You can with Langdon and Foley - you just run the risk that they get picked up as a delisted free agent prior to the rookie draft. And you run the risk that the club needs to pay the top up of any lost salary if offered less from another club that picks them up

Just between you and me, I think we're safe.

 

[JackOutback]

Would be nice if we had a shot at him

Wouldn't North just nab him?

 

[CountryLad]

First to fourth year players- November 21

Remainder of squad - December 5 (returning earlier is optional)

These dates are set by the AFL/AFLPA and cannot be changed by the club

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21st of November if they can be bothered or the 5th of December…..It’s a long time for our fat b@starts to have been doing nothing.

I hope simmo snarled at them all at there exit interviews and demanded some professionalism in the off season

 

[Arr0w]

Who do you prefer with pick 8 and 12

 

[bh90210fan]

Wouldn't North just nab him?

Maybe. We’d need plenty of luck to go our way for him to be available to us for sure.

 

[JackOutback]

According to Wikipedia, Brisbane already have him anyway.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Zane Trew and West are out of contract. Not sure we need Trew, West and Clark. You would think Trew's injury concerns make it difficult to see him getting another year. Then it's a toss-up between Clark and West.

 

[Monocle]

Wouldn't North just nab him?

Absolutely, so we need to be vigilant on monitoring who might be worthwhile at pick 2.

 

[fullbull]

I have to ask the question - where is this perceived idea that we're scared of drafting interstate kids and only draft local kids coming from?

I've done an analysis of all of our draft picks in the Adam Simpson era - see below.

32 draft selections in total, 15 from WA which represents 46.9% of all draftees coming from WA. Hardly confirms that we are fearful of drafting interstate kids like I'm reading so much of.

A few interesting things:

- The last 3 years it's been 80% drafted from WA, but you must also consider that we've only had 3 picks in the top 40 in that time

- Speaking of when the picks have occurred, it is worth noting what the splits look like when we focus on picks in the top 40, versus later round picks (when it makes a lot more sense to take fliers on local talent that other clubs may not have spent as much time and resource scouting)

- Of the 32 picks, 18 have occurred in the top 40, whilst 14 have occurred after this

- Of the top 40 picks, 8 of 18 are from WA (44.4%), and if we just look at top 30 (where all our selections will likely be this upcoming draft), only 2 of our 8 selections (25%) are from WA (Oscar Allen

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and Liam Ryan

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), which suggests the higher our picks, the less likely we are to draft WA kids

- Longer range speculative picks from 41 and above, it's 50% from WA and 50% from interstate (but a lot more WA focused in the last few years

- The biggest takeaway is that of our 8 selections since 2014 that have occurred in the top 30 of the draft, just 2 have been from WA, compared to 6 from interstate. Something to consider when we try to project who we're going to take with 8, 12, 20 and 26 in about 6 weeks time.

2014	State	Draft Pick
Liam Duggan	Victoria	11
Tom Lamb	Victoria	32
Jackson Nelson	Victoria	51
Damien Cavka	Victoria	66
Alec Waterman	WA	76
2015	State	Draft Pick
Luke Partington	SA	28
Tom Cole	Victoria	36
Kurt Mutimer	Victoria	57
Matthew Allen	SA	62
2016	State	Draft Pick
Daniel Venables	Victoria	13
Josh Rotham	WA	37
Willie Rioli	SA	52
Jake Waterman	WA	77
2017	State	Draft Pick
Jarrod Brander	Victoria	13
Oscar Allen	WA	21
Liam Ryan	WA	26
Brayden Ainsworth	WA	32
Jack Pettrucelle	Victoria	38
Hamish Brayshaw	Victoria	68
2018	State	Draft Pick
Xavier O'Neill	Victoria	28
Luke Foley	WA	31
Bailey Williams	Victoria	35
Jarrod Cameron	WA	39
2019	State	Draft Pick
Callum Jamieson	WA	49
Ben Johnson	WA	58
2020	State	Draft Pick
Luke Edwards	SA	52
Isiah Winder	WA	57
2021	State	Draft Pick
Campbell Chesser	Victoria	14
Brady Hough	WA	31
Rhett Bazzo	WA	37
Jack Williams	WA	57
Greg Clark	WA	62

 

[TerryFilk]

Wouldn't North just nab him?

Yeah 110%, I don’t think the Dogs will send him to the PSD anyway. Brisbanes offer is shit but turning down 21 and a future 1st out of spite isn’t very smart.

 

[ziad]

Absolutely, so we need to be vigilant on monitoring who might be worthwhile at pick 2.

adn pick 1-7

 

[Goroyals22]

Hey Willie, tell your story walking pal……. Your words mean nothing.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Rioli can get *****

 

[Chris_6678]

Yeah on Trade Radio they ( Think Cooney?) said we have a problem along with GWS with retention lol i couldn't believe it!

 

[ziad]

The list makes disturbing reading - on another level.
As for scared, the club isnt but some of the BF fraternity sleep with the lights on it seems.

 

[Forward Press]

Hey Willie, tell your story walking pal……. Your words mean nothing.

You cannot blame someone for chasing more money and/or job security.

But you sure can cast doubt on how 'grateful' (Rioli's words) he actually was for the support and as he pointed out us doing things like taking the cup to the Tiwi Islands for the first time.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

You cannot downgrade a player from the National Draft in their initial 2 year contract - so no to Clark. You can with Langdon and Foley - you just run the risk that they get picked up as a delisted free agent prior to the rookie draft. And you run the risk that the club needs to pay the top up of any lost salary if offered less from another club that picks them up

Langdon, no loss in this scenario. Actually would be a blessing