List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[Dark Sharks]

Well thank god for that

 

[random260]

Surely there will be some early cuts with guys that have no trade value.

Cutting is the easiest part of any coaches job

 

[Keys]

Cutting is the easiest part of any coaches job

Every coach I’ve heard speak about it say that it’s the worst part of the job.

 

[random260]

Every coach I’ve heard speak about it say that it’s the worst part of the job.

Oh?

 

[Opposite Kids]

If Nelson survives then we are not serious about a rebuild at all. Eight years in and out of the side for 102 games, he

reached his low ceiling long ago. Witherden is a far more talented player.

I’d rather Nelson than Witherden. At least Nelson tries and actually goes alright tagging.

 

[Bacchus]

More like grateful he has lobbed at a club happy to pay middling talent multi year contracts so until the last year of his deal he has no worries about his output…

i think nelson might survive. OOC players and their b&f average this year:

PLAYER	AGE	GMS	B&F	AVG
Shannon Hurn	34	19	149	7.8
Nic Naitanui	32	8	48	6.0
Jack Redden	31	21	112	5.3
Jai Culley	19	4	15	3.8
Jackson Nelson	26	13	45	3.5
Luke Edwards	20	3	9	3.0
Connor West	23	14	37	2.6
Alex Witherden	23	13	33	2.5
Zane Trew	20	2	5	2.5
Patrick Naish	23	11	27	2.5
Bailey Williams	22	17	38	2.2
Hugh Dixon	23	10	22	2.2
Isiah Winder	20	6	12	2.0
Luke Strnadica	24	2	1	2.0

for reference rotham averaged 1.5 per game. only ahead of clark (1.2) and j williams (1). SPS managed 1.9.

Thanks for that, it makes for both very interesting and alarming reading.
You may well be right, based on that data Nelson may get another contract. I am horrified. He is such a vanilla, meh player. Being a witches hat is his specialty. The problem with keeping him as a depth player is that they keep on playing him. If players like Nelson are kept on then we’re really going off a cliff.

Reflecting on this has given me a thought about what is the core problem with the club. In a word ‘nepotism’. It is a boys club, once you’re in you’re in and you will be looked after irrespective of output and performance. This applies to Trevor, Simmo, O’Brien, S & C, the in group of players - jobs for life. There is a fine line between loyalty and indulgence. Loyalty is good, indulgence is not. No wonder everything is so sloppy and the train has fallen off the rails. No new blood, no freshness of ideas, no accountability.
Teams like Sydney and Collingwood have risen off the bottom to the top. We’re nowhere near that, the hunger and desire isn’t there. We will be on or near the bottom until some real shake up occurs.

 

[dinnaz]

I really dont give a * about points. I would likely draft the same player for west coast at 7 this year as at pick 2 and next years draft is much stronger.

Points are bull* don't worry about that. We may get a slightly better player at the same point next year however pushing picks ahead to next year essentially slows our rebuild down. Plus there's extra uncertainty around who to keep around without any one player locked in though we have plenty of deadwood at the moment.

For example I can't help but imagine if the dogs had Jamarra or Darcy a season or two earlier that everything would be peaking for them about now.
The flow on effect is they probably don't trade in Alex Keath (for a 2nd rounder) amongst a raft of other trades to find that Key Defender.

 

[Westcoast88]

A better use of their first pick would be handing it over to us for Rioli

So annoying that most of eagles has lost trade value this year. Rioli would normally be worth pick 15-20 on talent. But a poorer year, dope history, year older has pushed it out to atleast 30 imo.

 

[Westcoast88]

Winder needs to be delisted

 

[Goroyals22]

If Nelson survives then we are not serious about a rebuild at all. Eight years in and out of the side for 102 games, he

I’d rather Nelson than Witherden. At least Nelson tries and actually goes alright tagging.

If either stays its the younger guy.. Nelson is just horrid. They couldn’t sign him again. …
Or could they?

 

[Obeanie1]

If we don't hear about delistings this week I would like to hear players making trade calls. Nelson, Rioli and anyone else on the fringe might make the call to bail now with the WAFL team officially done. Unless they hold off till after their awards night?

Wonder if Essendon would be interested in Nelson?

They have plenty of cap space and seriously lack defensive minded mids or players with aggression and campaigner in them who run both ways.

A free hit.

 

[mattyc75]

Wonder if Essendon would be interested in Nelson?

They have plenty of cap space and seriously lack defensive minded mids or players with aggression and campaigner in them who run both ways.

A free hit.

But apparently he's the worst player in the AFL..
Ppl pretty harsh on nelson around here,i wish players like shuey,gaff,oneil, nic nat could should some aggression like he does.
If nelson is our biggest list management issue we are a shoe in for the flag next year
He's a good back up and if there is any issue its that we haven't been able to draft anyone to overtake him


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[EdCurnowRules]

Lots of people getting hurt in the rectum

He's already won a flag with us, he's constantly injured and when he's played this year he isn't the same player he was in 18/19. Add to that his recent family trouble.


We're likely going to get a healthy compensation for him leaving, so what exactly is the problem? Turned a pick 50 odd into a premiership player, and then after being thrown on the scrap heap, we've then turned that pick 50 around again and are now likely going to get a mid 20's pick.

It's not ideal, but it's business. If I was Rioli I'd take the 4 years without question. This would be his final AFL contract and would see him into retirement.

No need for my two bobs worth because here it is… plus the likelihood that he will be anywhere near the player he was three years ago in four years time is so low… it’ll be funny to watch port try and wriggle out of this in a few years

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

If Nelson survives then we are not serious about a rebuild at all. Eight years in and out of the side for 102 games, he
reached his low ceiling long ago. Witherden is a far more talented player.

Nelson is actually a reasonable defender who can keep up with most opposition .

Witherden is so dam slow its just a liability.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Wonder if Essendon would be interested in Nelson?

They have plenty of cap space and seriously lack defensive minded mids or players with aggression and campaigner in them who run both ways.

A free hit.

Considering they want to turn over a good part of their list in the next few years it wouldn't be the worst idea .

Just play him as a lock down defender or tagger.

Oh and pay him enough to get band 5 compo !

 

[Dark Sharks]

Splitting hairs over 2 footballers that are BOTH not AFL standard and should be shown the door.

 

[Obeanie1]

Considering they want to turn over a good part of their list in the next few years it wouldn't be the worst idea .

Just play him as a lock down defender or tagger.

Oh and pay him enough to get band 5 compo !

Matt de Boer type of defensive role player who costs not much.

Thats how Nelson's manager should be selling him as.

Compo? We will be lucky to get anything.

 

[Bacchus]

Nelson is actually a reasonable defender who can keep up with most opposition .

Witherden is so dam slow its just a liability.

Nelson is one of the worst players to play 100 games that I can remember. Only Andrew Williams (West Coast and Collingwood in the 1990’s) would be on a par. Even he was shocked that he played 100 games. Only played a handful of good games.

Acted the tough guy against the kids of Fremantle, the following week against Geelong there wasn’t a peep out of him.
To say that he has more aggression than Shuey and Naitanui is laughable.

Drop Witherden out of the argument, I only incidentally mentioned him, my point is that Nelson is a sub AFL standard player and has been for years, and if he is retained we’re still going backwards.

 

[Obeanie1]

Splitting hairs over 2 footballers that are BOTH not AFL standard and should be shown the door.

You should apply for Nisbitt's role in list management. Similar styles.

 

[Deepthroat]

Nelson is actually a reasonable defender who can keep up with most opposition .

Witherden is so dam slow its just a liability.

Nelson has a number of failings:

1. Too often Nelson gets the ball and does not look to evade and dispose. Instead he braces for tackle and it's a stoppage. This mightn't sound that bad but what it does is create a 50/50 in our backline when he is doing this as a defender.

2. His disposal by foot is not penetrating. In recent seasons Jetta, Hurn, Duggan, Witherden, Yeo have all shown ability to spot up a piercing long ball to counterattack.

3. He does not provide any running support. In recent seasons Jetta, Duggan, J Jones, Yeo, Hough have all show to be strong proactive runners. Throw Chesser in the mix if all draft reports are correct.

4. He is also one of the bigger culprits in looking backwards/sideways for an easy kick with ball in hand.

Fast and accurate movement out of our backline needs to be the No. 1 items the club works on this off season. I am not sure Nelson would fit the bill in the 6-8 best def smalls on our list.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I'd suggest Port are going to give up their first rounder to the Dogs for Dunkley. They may have to throw in their Amon compo as well.

If that is the case, i'd be happy to push for their second rounder next year for Rioli. Use that in a package (probably with our second rounder next year) for one of GC's first this year (would be 7 and they keep Adelaide's pick 5). They need points for next year as they have academy kids. That would keep us with a first rounder next year, but add the second first this year, and given we have two second rounders this year could survive not having a second next year.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Nelson has a number of failings:

1. Too often Nelson gets the ball and does not look to evade and dispose. Instead he braces for tackle and it's a stoppage. This mightn't sound that bad but what it does is create a 50/50 in our backline when he is doing this as a defender.

2. His disposal by foot is not penetrating. In recent seasons Jetta, Hurn, Duggan, Witherden, Yeo have all shown ability to spot up a piercing long ball to counterattack.

3. He does not provide any running support. In recent seasons Jetta, Duggan, J Jones, Yeo, Hough have all show to be strong proactive runners. Throw Chesser in the mix if all draft reports are correct.

4. He is also one of the bigger culprits in looking backwards/sideways for an easy kick with ball in hand.

Fast and accurate movement out of our backline needs to be the No. 1 items the club works on this off season. I am not sure Nelson would fit the bill in the 6-8 best def smalls on our list.

HIs biggest issue is that he's not quick and mobile enough to be a genuine lockdown defender on smalls. As a result he needs to provide some of the above, which as you point out he does not.

If Nelson survives then we are not serious about a rebuild at all. Eight years in and out of the side for 102 games, he
reached his low ceiling long ago. Witherden is a far more talented player.

Nelson is the type of player you want on your list as a squad player if you're top 4, as he can play if really required and not completely **** it up, with his weaknesses hidden by a stronger team. When you're rebuilding he's got to go as he's not good enough and just taking a list spot of someone who may be better

 

[Bacchus]

Matt de Boer type of defensive role player who costs not much.

Thats how Nelson's manager should be selling him as.

Compo? We will be lucky to get anything.

De Boer was a genuinely tough player and tagger. Nelson doesn’t get near him.

If we could get anything for Nelson I’d be running all the way to the bank as quick as I could.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Much rather keep Witherden than Nelson!!!

 

[Avalor]

Nelson is actually a reasonable defender who can keep up with most opposition .

Witherden is so dam slow its just a liability.

Personally, all the ragging on Nelson on here annoys me no end. Not a star, no, but not too many can be. He is solid depth.