List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 31/10/24) ...

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[Coasters7]

I just don’t get how clubs can demand anything for OOC players. To me once the contract has expired, that’s it, end of commitment… if the club doesn’t want the player it’s a hand shake, maybe a thankyou, now piss off…

and why would MFC get any compensation at all for Hunt? Unrestricted Free Agent - same question…

Rioli should be able to walk. Jackson should be able to walk into the best deal he can get

My two bobs worth

Yeah I wouldn’t mind this but only on the proviso that they increased draftee contracts to a mandatory 4 years, otherwise North, GWS and GC would be losing their players every 2 years for peanuts. Only problems I see is the AFLPA would be all over the free agency stuff but then kick up a stink over the draftee changes and because of the amount of teams in one area we’d potentially turn into the NBA where all the small market teams get left further in the dust and need to rely solely on the draft as all the free agents pick Richmond, Collingwood etc

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

In the absence of any reports about whether we’ve had a go at Bowes, we just have to guess whether the club has approached him or not. Maybe we have and got knocked back, maybe we didn’t even ask.

I choose to guess that we haven’t, as that way I can get more outraged. And anyone who guesses the other way is clearly wrong.

I haven't seen anybody getting outraged or telling other posters they are wrong.

Just one poster reporting that Ryan Daniels and Duffield said on their podcasts that we haven't made any inquiries and other posters including myself saying that if we haven't, in the absence of any evidence that only Victorian clubs are in the mix as far as the player himself is concerned, then we probably should.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

EAGLES COULD SPLIT PICK 2 FOR JACKSON

West Coast remains in the mix for Luke Jackson, revealing it’s open to splitting its Pick 2 to strike a deal for the Demons young gun.

Although Jackson requested a trade back to Western Australia to either club, Fremantle is considered the frontrunner for his services on a mooted seven-year deal worth north of $6 million.

The Demons are expected to demand two first-round picks including one in the top 10 back in a trade for the 21-year old, which could put the Eagles in a stronger position to land him if they’re willing to split their Pick 2.

Speaking to reporters on Monday, Eagles recruiter Rohan O’Brien says the club is still “keen” to bring Jackson in.

“We’ll just keep in contact with Luke and his management and Melbourne in particular to see what that looks like,” he said, per the West Australian.

Giants exploring players and picks in Hopper deal; Eagles open to splitting Pick 2 for Jackson: Trade Whispers

Giants’ demands for star; Eagles still eyeing Jackson as shock Pick 2 move revealed: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Am I the only one that reads it as "We've made no effort to arrange a trade with Melbourne or discuss contract terms with Jackson, but yeah we're keen. Why not?".

 

[amazingjoshy]

In the absence of any reports about whether we’ve had a go at Bowes, we just have to guess whether the club has approached him or not. Maybe we have and got knocked back, maybe we didn’t even ask.

I choose to guess that we haven’t, as that way I can get more outraged. And anyone who guesses the other way is clearly wrong.

At around the 37 min mark, Ryan Daniels talking about the Bowes stuff. Time to move on from the sounds of it

Also Duffield said the same thing on his pod at some stage last week I think

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I read it as Melbourne are ringing us trying to get a counter bid going and see if we are open to splitting pick 2 to get them an earlier pick than what Freo have offered and we have told them we are. But Jackson is not kean so we will just wait and see if negotiations break down.

 

[Keys]

The Bowes deal is interesting primarily because it looks like the literal definition of a gift horse. Partly this is due to the deal initially being reported as simply Bowes and pick 7 for taking his salary with nothing else going back. It’s now becoming clear that the cost will be a future 2nd, or perhaps a future 1st for a club at the pointy end of the table. For us, it’d be a future 2nd

Did we make the call? I’d be surprised if we didn’t at least enquire but there’s nothing reported to say we did. Perhaps it became clear early on that it wasn’t for us, so why might that be?

As I said at the start, it looks like an absolute gift but maybe it isn’t as attractive as it appears at first glance

Essentially we’d be getting Bowes for our future 2nd round pick which likely will be in the 19-24 range. Forget the salary part for the moment, would posters be happy giving up a solid draft pick like that for Bowes. I suspect not

The other part of the trade is the shiny object of pick 7. That will cost a club $1.6-1.7mil of salary cap space over 2 years. Even if you assume we actually have that room, is using that space to access an extra draft pick the best use of that space or would we be better off banking that space to assist in the acquisition of an experienced player a year or two or three down the track

So maybe rather than take Bowes and pick 7, we’re better using our future 2nd in the draft and the cap space to have a FA crack at Tim English

All things have an opportunity cost

Ultimately, we’ll likely never know if we made the call re Bowes but the notion that we never considered the possibility is naive.

Perhaps when you look at it, that gift horse isn’t as generous as it seems

 

[Tyberious Funk]

I just don’t get how clubs can demand anything for OOC players. To me once the contract has expired, that’s it, end of commitment… if the club doesn’t want the player it’s a hand shake, maybe a thankyou, now piss off…

and why would MFC get any compensation at all for Hunt? Unrestricted Free Agent - same question…

Rioli should be able to walk. Jackson should be able to walk into the best deal he can get

My two bobs worth

Hunt, Jackson and Rioli all can walk away, with their clubs receiving nothing as compensation... they can just all nominate for the PSD.

 

[Altum Volantes]

You all realise this Bowes deal involves the club having to massively over pay him yeah?

The beard strokers in the east say Geelong will just ‘smooth the money out’ over 4 years instead - something the guy has to actually agree to do since he’s probably been waiting to cash in on the back loaded deal he signed with GC. He’s not going to agree to turn $850k a year (or whatever) into $425k a year over 4 years. If you are ‘smoothing’ he’s still got to come out with more money at the end - more like he gets $500-600k over 4 years (at least) - if he agrees to that. That’s a $2m+ contract.

We are only just coming to the end of a couple of long term deals with Gaff and McGovern and the salary cap is starting to clear.

That’s a lot of money to tie up in a middling player - to get pick 7.

We’d also be sending 2nd round pick back.

It’s a ‘good chance’ to get a decent pick but there is a reason GC are attaching a massive sweetener to get this guys money off their books…

 

[Godfather32]

Cheers for that. I watched Hewett's highlights and read Twomey's breakdown of his game. He kicks on both feet, has a nice step but he might be getting by on talent though. Does he have any impact in the centre clearance?

Not that I saw, he did start in there a lot but was definitely not impacting around the contest much.
Then again it may have been the role he was given on the day.
I think he's talented and will end up a decent AFL player, I just think there's better options, especially in the top 10

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

You all realise this Bowes deal involves the club having to massively over pay him yeah?

The beard strokers in the east say Geelong will just ‘smooth the money out’ over 4 years instead - something the guy has to actually agree to do since he’s probably been waiting to cash in on the back loaded deal he signed with GC. He’s not going to agree to turn $850k a year (or whatever) into $425k a year over 4 years. If you are ‘smoothing’ he’s still got to come out with more money at the end - more like he gets $500-600k over 4 years (at least) - if he agrees to that. That’s a $2m+ contract.

We are only just coming to the end of a couple of long term deals with Gaff and McGovern and the salary cap is starting to clear.

That’s a lot of money to tie up in a middling player - to get pick 7.

We’d also be sending 2nd round pick back.

It’s a ‘good chance’ to get a decent pick but there is a reason GC are attaching a massive sweetener to get this guys money off their books…

We are probably paying Shuey $800k or thereabouts to play next year given he is Captain and all. We signed Natanui up for another two years. When you add up his salary plus the fact that the club spends all that marketing allowance on him, which is really just effectively part of the cap for club's anyway, then that is probably also coming close to $1.2 - $1.4 million for next year. If you are against overpaying an import in order to get an extra pick then you should be against us wasting the money we are wasting on those two senior players next year also.

 

[EagleMutt]

Duffield said on his podcast last week that West Coast should get involved in the Bowes deal but the problem is he wants to play for a Vic club.

 

[Keys]

Hunt, Jackson and Rioli all can walk away, with their clubs receiving nothing as compensation... they can just all nominate for the PSD.

I’ve been thinking the PSD should be scrapped especially since the advent of free agency

What I’d like to see instead is if an uncontracted player wants to leave and clubs can’t reach agreement on a trade, the player goes back in the draft but with the ability to stipulate contract terms. Now this possibility already exists, Luke Ball did it, but the change I’d make is that the club the player is leaving gets the draft pick when a club selects the player

So with Rioli for example, if there’s no trade he goes in the draft with nominated contract terms and when a club selects him we get that pick. No other clubs are impacted as it’s the same result as if the club traded that pick to us for Rioli

To me it becomes a fair outcome and ensures a club doesn’t go empty handed for losing a player like they do with the current PSD arrangement

 

[new breed]

Jayden Hunt

5

Jayden Hunt

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.3

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.3

4star

MG

78.7

1star

D

5.3

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.3

3star

MG

78.7

1star

D

5.3

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.3

4star

MG

78.7

2star

endorsing Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

to Eagles makes me think that Jayden will be good in marketing .

I like his attitude ....

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Do not want Jackson. Good player and all, but not what we need right now for what he'll cost.

 

[kane249]

Do not want Jackson. Good player and all, but not what we need right now for what he'll cost.

Unless it's pick 2 in the PSD

But we might be trading that

 

[PremiershipNo4]

How’s this, I’m down in Perth at the moment having had knee surgery last Thursday, we are staying at the N’laws house, Chanel 7 news is on last night and the sport comes on which included a brief picture of the pieman with his dyed hair and weird glasses. Both of of the N’laws who are in their seventies said “ who is that? Is that a man or a woman?”

 

[new breed]

Do not want Jackson. Good player and all, but not what we need right now for what he'll cost.

Split pick 2 = #8 + F1 = Jackson offer .

Pretty high offer if bottom four in 2023 .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We are probably paying Shuey $800k or thereabouts to play next year given he is Captain and all.

Dear lord.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Do not want Jackson. Good player and all, but not what we need right now for what he'll cost.

I would put the chances of us getting him at 1%. Even if it was an open auction and what the player wanted didn't matter at all and just the highest bid wins, Freo would take whatever it takes to offer more than us anyway. And what the player wants does matter.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Dear lord.

What do you think they are paying the Captain of the club? Less than Gaff and half as much as McGovern? Many clubs have an explicit policy that the Captain is the highest paid player.

 

[Shueygod]

What do you think they are paying the Captain of the club? Less than Gaff and half as much as McGovern? Many clubs have an explicit policy that the Captain is the highest paid player.

Mate there’s 0 chance he’s on more than 400k

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

What do you think they are paying the Captain of the club? Less than Gaff and half as much as McGovern? Many clubs have an explicit policy that the Captain is the highest paid player.

Dumb policy if true.

Imagine paying Woosha more than Matera, Jako etc back in the day.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

What do you think they are paying the Captain of the club? Less than Gaff and half as much as McGovern? Many clubs have an explicit policy that the Captain is the highest paid player.

Show me evidence of a single club with this policy.
I'm assuming you know the meaning of the word "explicit".

 

[sey666]

What do you think they are paying the Captain of the club? Less than Gaff and half as much as McGovern? Many clubs have an explicit policy that the Captain is the highest paid player.

 

[WCErevival]

What do you think they are paying the Captain of the club? Less than Gaff and half as much as McGovern? Many clubs have an explicit policy that the Captain is the highest paid player.

Good thing he wont be captain in 2023 then isnt it