List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[AsterixTheGaul]

Most likely scenario looking like

Essendon: Tsatas/Phillipou
GC: Humphrey
Hawthorn: Tsatas/Phillipou
Geelong: Clark
West Coast: Ginbey
St Kilda: Mackenzie
Carlton: Hollands
Bulldogs: Busslinger
West Coast: Allan

Barring any surprises. WCE_phil like if you agree

So what you think is that we take 2 mids, none of which are balanced.

Ginbey is mostly inside and defensive (the Yeo replacement in addition to Culley already on our list). We also have depth in West and Clark for this role.
Allan is more outside (the Gaff, Kelly and Sheed replacement in addition to Chesser Edwards and Hough already on our list)
We then pass on 3 balanced mids in Hewett, Mackenzie and Hollands, with Shuey being the only balanced mid we have (I have probably discounted XON because he looks to be only depth).

The Hawks are playing games at the moment - I see them really wanting Mackenzie and Tsatas is the likely slider if the Dons do not take him.

Your scenario is not a disaster. I think it is a missed opportunity and will still leave us exposed.

IF the Pieman was to call me, I would say take MacKenzie at 8 and then Hewett at 12, and if Hewett was gone, then take Hollands.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

No one has any guts on here, take the risk. High risk high reward. The two blokes with possibly the highest ceilings are Allan and Ginbey. Do we want to take a little risk to possibly end up 2 stars or go a safe bet and get a couple of good role players. Hewitt iS a cog down in potential imo

I think right now we need to be somewhat conservative, build a solid core of players to build a team around, then as we start to move back up the ladder we can start taking some more risks because it won't hurt as much if they end up busts.

Which is what most risks end up being.

 

[TerryFilk]

Ed Allan at 8 or 12 will be one of the funniest picks in recent memory and one that I’d have about 0.1% confidence in working out

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

F@$ that.

I'm taking McKenzie before ginbey and Hewett next. Allen can request a trade home in 2 if he's any good.

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The Purples would love a request home from Allan. Like father like son!!!!

 

[TerryFilk]

So what you think is that we take 2 mids, none of which are balanced.

Ginbey is mostly inside and defensive (the Yeo replacement in addition to Culley already on our list). We also have depth in West and Clark for this role.
Allan is more outside (the Gaff, Kelly and Sheed replacement in addition to Chesser Edwards and Hough already on our list)
We then pass on 3 balanced mids in Hewett, Mackenzie and Hollands, with Shuey being the only balanced mid we have is Shuey (I have probably discounted XON because he looks to be only depth).

The Hawks are playing games at the moment - I see them really wanting Mackenzie and Tsatas is the likely slider if the Dons do not take him.

Your scenario is not a disaster. I think it is a missed opportunity and will still leave us exposed.

IF the Pieman was to call me, I would say take MacKenzie at 8 and then Hewett at 12, and if Hewett was gone, then take Hollands.

Ginbey and Allan at 8 and 12 is absolutely a disaster. If we traded pick 2 to draft those 2 I’d be livid.

 

[squashface]

Clark and Hewett is my ideal 8 and 12

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Or they end up as the next Cale Morton and Kane Lucas....no thanks.
I don't mind so much if we take Ginbey with one of our first rounders (although he's not my first choice) but taking Ginbey and Allan with our first two would be ******* dumb.

A lot of people on BF are quite dismissive of Hewitt ho humming that we will just grab him with a pick in the twenties. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s gone by our first pick.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Ginbey and Allan at 8 and 12 is absolutely a disaster. If we traded pick 2 to draft those 2 I’d be livid.

I think Ginbey and Allan will make good AFL footballers. I see it more as a lost opportunity.

The term "best available" means very little when the talent is very similar at a particular level. When the talent is on a par, I would rather we prioritise best fit for the list above home grown WA talent.

 

[Godfather32]

A lot of people on BF are quite dismissive of Hewitt ho humming that we will just grab him with a pick in the twenties. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s gone by our first pick.

I've watched Hewett live, I have the same concerns Hook461123 had with him not putting a lot of effort in off the ball and a few other things put me off him as a high first rounder. But definitely with our second he's got to be the pick, unless someone unexpected slides. And by someone I don't mean Ed Allan

 

[CountryLad]

Allan was going at 12 in that scenario.

Yeah worked that out afterwards but even then i reckon its reaching.

Not sure about your thoughts Miguel but i have the mids in this Ranking

1. Ashcroft
2. Wardlaw
3. Tsatas
4. Clarke
5. McKenzie
6. Phillipou
6. Hewitt
7. Hollands
9. Ginbey
10. Hustwaite

Humphrey and Hotton are the same as Sheezle in a way. A forward that can go mid.

Allan could have loads of potential but on what he’s done this year he’s not even in the top 10 mids. Pretty sure the pieman said best available was the go….would rather we speculate with the likes of Allan at 20.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

No one has any guts on here, take the risk. High risk high reward. The two blokes with possibly the highest ceilings are Allan and Ginbey. Do we want to take a little risk to possibly end up 2 stars or go a safe bet and get a couple of good role players. Hewitt iS a cog down in potential imo

My approach would be to take one high risk/high reward type pick and one safe choice, not try to hit the ball out of the park twice.

When we did the mock draft a few weeks ago I picked for WCE and i went for Phillipou at 8, confident that a safe choice like Hewett would be available at 12. But since then it’s started looking like Phillipou will be off the board.

If Clarke was still there I’d be very tempted to take him at 8 as the safe pick and hope Allan makes it through to the second pick.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Ed Allan at 8 or 12 will be one of the funniest picks in recent memory and one that I’d have about 0.1% confidence in working out

Based on what?

'The vibe' isn't an acceptable response.

 

[Onefortheages]

MacKenzie and Holland's for first 2 picks 2
So vanilla

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Ed Allan is very very good, more than happy with him at 12. To add to that I think he's got a huge ceiling, and the discipline to get the best out of himself.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

If the rumours are to be believed, looks like GC are taking Humphreys. Apparently had loads of interviews with him. Which means we are almost certain to take Ginbey...
Hoping cats don't take Clark, as reckon he's the only one that could trump our Ginbey interest.

I'd take Mackenzie, but club won't.

 

[RookiePick]

FMD, how is Sheed already 28? Essentially the last decent midfielders we’ve recruited.

2013 was a long time ago...so old

 

[CountryLad]

Ed Allan is very very good, more than happy with him at 12. To add to that I think he's got a huge ceiling, and the discipline to get the best out of himself.

Henry Hustwaite is 194cm midfielder too. Averaged the same numbers this year as Allan but playing NAB rather than WAFL colts. Played a solid 18`s carnival and uses the ball really well yet will probably go pick 15-30.

Allan has 3 things on this bloke, a quicker 20m sprint, a Dad as a former afl player and is from WA.

To me if Allan is gone by pick 20 take this bloke No need to reach.

Note i hope Allan has a great career seems a nice young fella and if we do draft him i hope he is Chris Judd 2.0

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Based on what?

'The vibe' isn't an acceptable response.

I like how other clubs have been linked to both players inside the top ten, so it’s not like either is a massive reach, but apparently neither of them has any business being taken that high and all the professional recruiters are apparently operating under some shared delusion.

 

[Godfather32]

I like how other clubs have been linked to both players inside the top ten, so it’s not like either is a massive reach, but apparently neither of them has any business being taken that high and all the professional recruiters are apparently operating under some shared delusion.

The problem I have with Allan and why I think he's a reach is because he didn't get linked to anyone in the top 10 because of his football, he didn't have a massive carnival or a strong finish to the season in the WAFL seniors which drew attention to him. It's all been because he ran fast at the combine.
He might very well end up a good player but I'm not keen on taking that risk with either of our first two picks.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

When fit he can rack it up as well as anyone and is better defensively than Gaff.

Can see him as a high half forward, winger, rotation on ball.

Cannot believe he is 28 already.

"better defensively than Gaff" - wow, that is a really low bar. In 2021, I was really peeved watching how little tackling Sheed did.

We are in agreement, best as a half forward with midfield rotations.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

If the rumours are to be believed, looks like GC are taking Humphreys. Apparently had loads of interviews with him. Which means we are almost certain to take Ginbey...
Hoping cats don't take Clark, as reckon he's the only one that could trump our Ginbey interest.

I'd take Mackenzie, but club won't.

So if Ginbey and Mackenzie are still there at 8 (and I assume we wanted both), I would not see Ginbey as a natural pick for Saints, Blues or Dogs. Take the risk and pick Mackenzie at 8 as a balanced mid we desperately need and see if Ginbey slips through to 12. If he doesn't, then one of Hewett Hollands and Allen will be there. What pairing of Mackenzie with the four mentioned would be bad? It would be minor personal preferences.

Pick 2 gets you
Mackenzie and Hewett
Mackenzie and Ginbey
Mackenzie and Hollands
Mackenzie and Allan

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The problem I have with Allan and why I think he's a reach is because he didn't get linked to anyone in the top 10 because of his football, he didn't have a massive carnival or a strong finish to the season in the WAFL seniors which drew attention to him. It's all been because he ran fast at the combine.
He might very well end up a good player but I'm not keen on taking that risk with either of our first two picks.

Allan had a very strong finish to the Colts. If he had of averaged that level of production the whole year, he would be cement in as top 10. And apart from Perth, these colts teams were strong and finals bound. So it is 5 games coming back from injury. How many games back did Humphrey and Tsatas play as they returned from injury?

 

[Nuffington Post]

Allan had a very strong finish to the Colts. If he had of averaged that level of production the whole year, he would be cement in as top 10. And apart from Perth, these colts teams were strong and finals bound. So it is 5 games coming back from injury. How many games back did Humphrey and Tsatas play as they returned from injury?

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The risk with Allan is he barely played any champs games so it’s hard to judge him against the best u18s in the country. A shame they didn’t have a SA v WA game at the same time as the Vic M v Vic C at the end of the season.


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[Godfather32]

Allan had a very strong finish to the Colts. If he had of averaged that level of production the whole year, he would be cement in as top 10. And apart from Perth, these colts teams were strong and finals bound. So it is 5 games coming back from injury. How many games back did Humphrey and Tsatas play as they returned from injury?

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And at the same time Hewett was putting up fairly decent numbers in the seniors, he's a better pick with our second imo.

 

[Dark Sharks]

If you look closely at the 2018 stats sheets. Kelly and shreds stats are near identical.
I'll never forget when all the talk about going after Kelly, I would regularly point out we had a player of that calibre with identical stats in sheed.

Excuse me campaigner, it was actually me that did this.

Whilst every gumball was frothing on here over the supposed A grader Kelly, I was regularly putting up stat comparisons and highlighting just how much improvement Sheed still had in him.

Seems you might want to get me a citation quickly, or delete your account. I'd go with option B.