List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[marhalls hawks]

And danger of some punctuation - you know commas (,) or full stops (.) I don't care whether you actually get them in the right spot just insert them anywhere for the love of god

Sorry mate I’m just an illiterate hawks fan…

 

[bzparkes]

And danger of some punctuation - you know commas (,) or full stops (.) I don't care whether you actually get them in the right spot just insert them anywhere for the love of god

I got you fam.

 

[Tugga27]

So he would displace the current FB or CHB in the top teams? You are dreaming. As I said he would be at best the third tall.

You asked about Carlton and Geelong specifically and I answered you.

If you don't think he would get a game in front of McGovern, there's really no point in discussing it with you as you've obviously made your mind up.

Was in the AA squad and won our F&B, but no, he wouldn't get a game for Carlton.

Ok......

 

[WCE_4_EVER]

Don’t know if anyone has suggested it for a Pick 1 trade on here but I think another way would be Bulldogs 2 picks say 8 and 14 plus Jedd Busslinger, think we would look good in young defender ranks for a long time with Bazzo and Busslinger

That actually wouldn’t be bad, considering it was either busslinger or Hewett we wanted for our 2nd first rounder last year.

 

[WCE_phil]

Pick 1 for what I call the modern era.

Best player in the draft 1 in 22 times. It was the first time. Riewoldt was so far ahead of every other player that year it was out of sight. Reid is the most complete player in this draft and easily the best mid right now.

As far as i'm concerned he's the third best talent in the draft. Watson and Moir are more talented.

Now when I did the proposal of all in on this draft the first pick I had us with was 5. Reid, Moir, McKercher and Reid were already off the board. (not necessarily in that order)

With federal government support I could see the draft even being partially compromised from next year. Tassie will get great start up concessions but probably spread over 2-3 years. No mini draft like GWS but at least as many first round picks as GC/GWS. Tassie could in theory be in the league as early as 2026. Pull as much of everything forward into this draft before any major announcements are made. Richmond also have no interest in finishing last, I can't see their first pick (not theirs) being lower than pick 5. Also remember is north lose McKay the AFL will likely give them a tier 1 compensation pick. So that way even if they suck, they aren't giving north priority picks twice (when in reality they are as I would have McKay as band 2) So for me North likely have pick 3 & 4 in this draft. They go 1 small, 1 tall. Whilst freo aren't great I can't see their season staying this bad.

This is the deepest draft in a long, long time. The only things its missing is genuine top tier inside mids. I would rather have pick 40 this year than pick 21 last year. I think 80 odd new players get drafted at the national draft.

 

[ziad]

Pick 1 for what I call the modern era.

Best player in the draft 1 in 22 times. It was the first time. Riewoldt was so far ahead of every other player that year it was out of sight. Reid is the most complete player in this draft and easily the best mid right now.

As far as i'm concerned he's the third best talent in the draft. Watson and Moir are more talented.

Now when I did the proposal of all in on this draft the first pick I had us with was 5. Reid, Moir, McKercher and Reid were already off the board. (not necessarily in that order)

With federal government support I could see the draft even being partially compromised from next year. Tassie will get great start up concessions but probably spread over 2-3 years. No mini draft like GWS but at least as many first round picks as GC/GWS. Tassie could in theory be in the league as early as 2026. Pull as much of everything forward into this draft before any major announcements are made. Richmond also have no interest in finishing last, I can't see their first pick (not theirs) being lower than pick 5. Also remember is north lose McKay the AFL will likely give them a tier 1 compensation pick. So that way even if they suck, they aren't giving north priority picks twice (when in reality they are as I would have McKay as band 2) So for me North likely have pick 3 & 4 in this draft. They go 1 small, 1 tall. Whilst freo aren't great I can't see their season staying this bad.

This is the deepest draft in a long, long time. The only things its missing is genuine top tier inside mids. I would rather have pick 40 this year than pick 21 last year. I think 80 odd new players get drafted at the national draft.

Lets load up

 

[dkalphy]

Hey guys not sure if this has been mentioned but just watched an interview of Ashton Moir - he's a diehard eagles fan.

He's ranked the #2 best prospect in the country from SA.

How would you feel about taking him at pick 2?

 

[Rowan18]

Pick 1 for what I call the modern era.

Best player in the draft 1 in 22 times. It was the first time. Riewoldt was so far ahead of every other player that year it was out of sight. Reid is the most complete player in this draft and easily the best mid right now.

As far as i'm concerned he's the third best talent in the draft. Watson and Moir are more talented.

Now when I did the proposal of all in on this draft the first pick I had us with was 5. Reid, Moir, McKercher and Reid were already off the board. (not necessarily in that order)

With federal government support I could see the draft even being partially compromised from next year. Tassie will get great start up concessions but probably spread over 2-3 years. No mini draft like GWS but at least as many first round picks as GC/GWS. Tassie could in theory be in the league as early as 2026. Pull as much of everything forward into this draft before any major announcements are made. Richmond also have no interest in finishing last, I can't see their first pick (not theirs) being lower than pick 5. Also remember is north lose McKay the AFL will likely give them a tier 1 compensation pick. So that way even if they suck, they aren't giving north priority picks twice (when in reality they are as I would have McKay as band 2) So for me North likely have pick 3 & 4 in this draft. They go 1 small, 1 tall. Whilst freo aren't great I can't see their season staying this bad.

This is the deepest draft in a long, long time. The only things its missing is genuine top tier inside mids. I would rather have pick 40 this year than pick 21 last year. I think 80 odd new players get drafted at the national draft.

Thanks for the insight. This sounds like a great year to be a shit team

 

[dkalphy]

also worth noting Jarrod Brander

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Jarrod Brander

Age

25

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.3

2star

D

12.3

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.5

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.2

2star

from Geelong was also an eagles fan, and that panned out....

 

[briztoon]

Mate - When you first came on the boards, I recall you mentioned you invest your time with a club going through some hurdles until they're on the way up and up. And before the Eagles it was Freo?

Just curious, have you returned to their board and provided that sound Brisbane advice? because they have been rebuilding for almost close to a decade. Last year being the delta.

Not saying I don't like your input here and there being an avid draft watcher and knowledge of the kids coming through.

Nah, only time for one side hustle.

 

[CountryLad]

At least he didn't spell clark as clarke.

Don’t forget Hewitt and if we draft Curtain.

 

[briztoon]

Congratulations you have already got Harley Reid in your sites you have take a number 1 pick off us Hawks fans The Hawks have lost number one pick and we haven’t even won a game and if you hold number one pick for mid season draft that’s a double bubble pick for you guys as the mid-season pick is now becoming a golden pick this is how the modern rebuild is done well done Eagles as a Hawks fan I’m jealous hopefully we can get a few thrashings in the next few weeks and steel the number one pick from you guys but for now it looks all yours.

WTF is this gobbledygook. Punctuation bro. For the love of all things football, use some punctuation.

 

[Jukes]

So any word if Harley Reid is the type to do a Bazlenka/Sheezel/Wardlaw in interviews or will he be a genuine “go anywhere to play footy” type?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Rotham is not a key defender - never was never will be. He is a 3rd tall who attacked the ball using pace and size.
Unfortunately his natural instincts have been quashed by the WC game plan.

Give him some licence to play in a position where he can use his strengths & you will see just why he got drafted in the 1st place.

He is as soft as a marshmallow, doesn't go in hard for the ball and balks at any physicality. Can't defend one on one. Is only good in a zone defence where he can guard space. Next you'll be suggesting we play him on the wing. Brander 2.0.

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[WCE_phil]

So any word if Harley Reid is the type to do a Bazlenka/Sheezel/Wardlaw in interviews or will he be a genuine “go anywhere to play footy” type?

Unless a club promises him a major contract before the draft he will go anywhere. Country boy and just loves footy.

 

[briztoon]

also worth noting Jarrod Brander from Geelong was also an eagles fan, and that panned out....

Brander wasn’t from Geelong. He was a Riverina kid that boarded at Geelong Grammar.

 

[dkalphy]

Brander wasn’t from Geelong. He was a Riverina kid that boarded at Geelong Grammar.

same thing

 

[Chump Change]

Pick 1 for what I call the modern era.

Best player in the draft 1 in 22 times. It was the first time.

????

I have explained why this metric is flawed. Go and check every single pick in the draft - you will find that it's similarly as rare to choose the best player available at that pick.

So you need to ask yourself why you cite it? The only reason I can think of is confirmation bias.

You want to trade pick 1? Go for your life, just go find some sound reasoning, because what you have presented, isn't.

Now go and have a look at the top 5 over a recent decade long stretch:

2019	2018	2017	2016	2015	2014	2013	2012	2011	2010
Matt Rowell	Sam Walsh	Cameron Rayner	Andrew McGrath	Jacob Weitering	Paddy McCartin	Tom Boyd	Lachie Whitfield	Jonathon Patton	David Swallow
Noah Anderson	Jack Lukosius	Andrew Brayshaw	Tim Taranto	Josh Schache	Christian Petracca*	Josh Kelly	Jonathan O'Rourke	Stephen Coniglio	Harley Bennell
Luke Jackson+~	Izak Rankine	Paddy Dow	Hugh McCluggage	Callum Mills	Angus Brayshaw	Jack Billings	Lachie Plowman	Dom Tyson	Sam Day
Lachlan Ash	Max King	Luke Davies-Uniacke	Ben Ainsworth	Clayton Oliver	Jarrod Pickett	Marcus Bontempelli	Jimmy Toumpas	Will Hoskin-Elliott	Andrew Gaff
Dylan Stephens	Connor Rozee	Adam Cerra	Will Setterfield	Darcy Parish	Jordan De Goey	Kade Kolodjashnij	Jake Stringer	Matt Buntine	Jared Polec

I started at 2019 because enough time has gone by too gauge how good those players are.

#1s - 7 good players with the 3 duds being KPFs
#2s - 7 good players
#3s - 5 good players
#4s - 5 good players
#5s - 4 good players

Do your own calculations but in line with how the AFL clubs see it, #1 > #5.

This is the deepest draft in a long, long time. The only things its missing is genuine top tier inside mids. I would rather have pick 40 this year than pick 21 last year.

And do you know what is most important to premiership success? TOP TIER INSIDE MIDS.

Oliver
Petracca
Cripps
Brayshaw
Uniacke
Neale
Miller
Bont
Danger

These are all players that are elite. They can impose themselves on games and moments of games. You cannot win premierships without these players. Unless players like Moir are transitioning to the midfield, or end up as good as Toby Greene, they don't win you flags.

So I'm fine for you to think splitting a pick gives more picks in the draw and maybe a law of averages gives a better chance, but don't tell me "#1 pick has only ever been the best player once" is rational reasoning. And don't tell me that find those elite players isn't the hardest thing to do, and not the most important thing when going to the draft.

Any club who has a top 5 pick is trying to draft a player like one of those above players. if they split, they're giving themselves 2 chances. They're not trying to draft Daniel Rich or Christian Salem (as good as they are). They're trying to get a Dusty or Bont. You build side around them. You can win flags with them. There's really only one of these players in the top 7 or 8 (maybe Duursma too) and you want to spend it on really good HFF? and KPD?

 

[The Gtrain]

Hey guys not sure if this has been mentioned but just watched an interview of Ashton Moir - he's a diehard eagles fan.

He's ranked the #2 best prospect in the country from SA.

How would you feel about taking him at pick 2?

With our compo pick?

 

[JackOutback]

????

I have explained why this metric is flawed. Go and check every single pick in the draft - you will find that it's similarly as rare to choose the best player available at that pick.

So you need to ask yourself why you cite it? The only reason I can think of is confirmation bias.

You want to trade pick 1? Go for your life, just go find some sound reasoning, because what you have presented, isn't.

Now go and have a look at the top 5 over a recent decade long stretch:

2019	2018	2017	2016	2015	2014	2013	2012	2011	2010
Matt Rowell	Sam Walsh	Cameron Rayner	Andrew McGrath	Jacob Weitering	Paddy McCartin	Tom Boyd	Lachie Whitfield	Jonathon Patton	David Swallow
Noah Anderson	Jack Lukosius	Andrew Brayshaw	Tim Taranto	Josh Schache	Christian Petracca*	Josh Kelly	Jonathan O'Rourke	Stephen Coniglio	Harley Bennell
Luke Jackson+~	Izak Rankine	Paddy Dow	Hugh McCluggage	Callum Mills	Angus Brayshaw	Jack Billings	Lachie Plowman	Dom Tyson	Sam Day
Lachlan Ash	Max King	Luke Davies-Uniacke	Ben Ainsworth	Clayton Oliver	Jarrod Pickett	Marcus Bontempelli	Jimmy Toumpas	Will Hoskin-Elliott	Andrew Gaff
Dylan Stephens	Connor Rozee	Adam Cerra	Will Setterfield	Darcy Parish	Jordan De Goey	Kade Kolodjashnij	Jake Stringer	Matt Buntine	Jared Polec

I started at 2019 because enough time has gone by too gauge how good those players are.

#1s - 7 good players with the 3 duds being KPFs
#2s - 7 good players
#3s - 5 good players
#4s - 5 good players
#5s - 4 good players

Do your own calculations but in line with how the AFL clubs see it, #1 > #5.





And do you know what is most important to premiership success? TOP TIER INSIDE MIDS.

Oliver
Petracca
Cripps
Brayshaw
Uniacke
Neale
Miller
Bont
Danger

These are all players that are elite. They can impose themselves on games and moments of games. You cannot win premierships without these players. Unless players like Moir are transitioning to the midfield, or end up as good as Toby Greene, they don't win you flags.

So I'm fine for you to think splitting a pick gives more picks in the draw and maybe a law of averages gives a better chance, but don't tell me "#1 pick has only ever been the best player once" is rational reasoning. And don't tell me that find those elite players isn't the hardest thing to do, and not the most important thing when going to the draft.

Any club who has a top 5 pick is trying to draft a player like one of those above players. if they split, they're giving themselves 2 chances. They're not trying to draft Daniel Rich or Christian Salem (as good as they are). They're trying to get a Dusty or Bont. You build side around them. You can win flags with them. There's really only one of these players in the top 7 or 8 (maybe Duursma too) and you want to spend it on really good HFF? and KPD?

So what you’re saying is pick 2 is as good as pick 1? Split it is.

 

[Cuzz09]

Hey guys not sure if this has been mentioned but just watched an interview of Ashton Moir - he's a diehard eagles fan.

He's ranked the #2 best prospect in the country from SA.

How would you feel about taking him at pick 2?

Oh man.

Just watched his highlights and he looks unreal!

I hope we take him over anyone now.

I'm on the Moir train



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[Obeanie1]

Oh man.

Just watched his highlights and he looks unreal!

I hope we take him over anyone now.

I'm on the Moir train



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Keep moving.....there's a couple of spare seats at the back.

Very interested to see if Moir plays more midfield this year.

 

[Cuzz09]

50m+ goals both feet. Looks smooth too. Not robotic.

Buddy like

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[WCE_phil]

????

I have explained why this metric is flawed. Go and check every single pick in the draft - you will find that it's similarly as rare to choose the best player available at that pick.

So you need to ask yourself why you cite it? The only reason I can think of is confirmation bias.

You want to trade pick 1? Go for your life, just go find some sound reasoning, because what you have presented, isn't.

Now go and have a look at the top 5 over a recent decade long stretch:

2019	2018	2017	2016	2015	2014	2013	2012	2011	2010
Matt Rowell	Sam Walsh	Cameron Rayner	Andrew McGrath	Jacob Weitering	Paddy McCartin	Tom Boyd	Lachie Whitfield	Jonathon Patton	David Swallow
Noah Anderson	Jack Lukosius	Andrew Brayshaw	Tim Taranto	Josh Schache	Christian Petracca*	Josh Kelly	Jonathan O'Rourke	Stephen Coniglio	Harley Bennell
Luke Jackson+~	Izak Rankine	Paddy Dow	Hugh McCluggage	Callum Mills	Angus Brayshaw	Jack Billings	Lachie Plowman	Dom Tyson	Sam Day
Lachlan Ash	Max King	Luke Davies-Uniacke	Ben Ainsworth	Clayton Oliver	Jarrod Pickett	Marcus Bontempelli	Jimmy Toumpas	Will Hoskin-Elliott	Andrew Gaff
Dylan Stephens	Connor Rozee	Adam Cerra	Will Setterfield	Darcy Parish	Jordan De Goey	Kade Kolodjashnij	Jake Stringer	Matt Buntine	Jared Polec

I started at 2019 because enough time has gone by too gauge how good those players are.

#1s - 7 good players with the 3 duds being KPFs
#2s - 7 good players
#3s - 5 good players
#4s - 5 good players
#5s - 4 good players

Do your own calculations but in line with how the AFL clubs see it, #1 > #5.





And do you know what is most important to premiership success? TOP TIER INSIDE MIDS.

Oliver
Petracca
Cripps
Brayshaw
Uniacke
Neale
Miller
Bont
Danger

These are all players that are elite. They can impose themselves on games and moments of games. You cannot win premierships without these players. Unless players like Moir are transitioning to the midfield, or end up as good as Toby Greene, they don't win you flags.

So I'm fine for you to think splitting a pick gives more picks in the draw and maybe a law of averages gives a better chance, but don't tell me "#1 pick has only ever been the best player once" is rational reasoning. And don't tell me that find those elite players isn't the hardest thing to do, and not the most important thing when going to the draft.

Any club who has a top 5 pick is trying to draft a player like one of those above players. if they split, they're giving themselves 2 chances. They're not trying to draft Daniel Rich or Christian Salem (as good as they are). They're trying to get a Dusty or Bont. You build side around them. You can win flags with them. There's really only one of these players in the top 7 or 8 (maybe Duursma too) and you want to spend it on really good HFF? and KPD?

It's funny how you mention Rich. He was seen as the most complete and developed inside mid in his draft. People seem to forget how much of a huge risk it was seen taking Nicnat over Rich.

This draft has 1 complete top tier inside mid as it stands now and there is no guarantee that he can play his current junior style inside at the next level. Even still, even if he does play almost exclusively inside he's not your true in and under guy.

If you want a true in and under guy who dominates at getting the ball out then use a pick between 20-30 on Sanders.

Also go through your above list and tell me who the real dominant on the ground players are and where they were drafted.

When our list is as shit as it is, you need to reconcile this and ensure you give yourself the best opportunity to advance your list as much as possible. I'll give you Oliver, Miller, Neale, Cripps, LDU and Dangerfield. Also note Dangerfield was drafted as an underager whilst that was still allowed, spent his first year on a list finishing his schooling in Victoria and left the club he was drafted to. He was 17 and a half when drafted.

Also Neale gets beaten up on in big games against bigger midfielders who do the same when the whistle is put away.

So if the player type you are chasing isn't there and there is a group of really, really highly talented guys within that top 10 then you maximise your chances to improve your list as much as possible.

Also whilst you're at it let me know where Fyfe, Yeo, Shuey, Cunnington, Libba, Selwood, Adams, Kennedy, Prestia were bid on/drafted. If you really want to look at true clearance machines of the last decade. (Viney could perhaps be put here too but he has sacrificed part of his game for the betterment of his team)

Please also let me know just how effective you think Petracca in particular would be without Gawn or Shuey without Nicnat or even Cunnington without Goldstein.

Also on where the game is headed and what is most important. The bounce will go, super tall rucks who can get the ball to their players will become much more important as will centre clearance mids who can kick goals, players with aggression who win one on one contests and players who can break the game apart by being able to move the ball 70 metres onwards. The last group of players that will be hugely crucial are leading forwards who can convert. Whether that be 185cm or 200cm. SPP is a great example of this, he hasn't magically become a much better player with better skills. The AFL rules have changed and that has made him whilst not a top tier player a player who went from being borderline best 22 to a very good player / force around the ball.

Why do you think i'm looking so hard at guys who have the potential to get the ball out of the centre and kick goals themselves from that position.

 

[Cuzz09]

Well now I've got 2 I'm happy with.

If we get Reid or Moir it's win/win.

Hopefully somehow get both but unlikely

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