List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Deplorable trumpster]

With the news that Pickett is set to sign on at Melbourne for another 4 years, they have the following long term contracts on the books :

2030 - Oliver (will be 33)
2029 - Petracca (will be 33)
2028 - Brayshaw (will be 32)
2027 - Grundy (will be 33)
2027 - Pickett (will be 26)
2027 - Rivers (will be 26)
2026 - Salem (will be 31)
2026 - Fritsch (will be 30)

That’s 8 players with contracts beyond 2025 (we have 1 - Barrass to 2027) and all but two will expire after the player turns 30. They also have these

2025 - Gawn (will be 34)
2025 - May (will be 33)
2025 - Viney (will be 31)

Fair to say we aren’t the only club giving players long term deals into their thirties

But we are the only club in the bottom 4 doing it. Melbourne are in a legitimate flag window. That’s the difference. You can defend the deals given out in 2020 and before on the same basis. But the flag window was clearly shut after 2020. Any multi year deals given to over 30’s post 2020 are fair game for criticism IMO.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Watching Van Rooyen tonight it is hard not to feel like we have bungled our 2021 first rounder.

Early days. I would like to see a bigger sample size of evidence. But Chesser seems incredibly injury prone. And he looked like a deer in the headlights in the couple of games he has played. I would much rather have taken Van Rooyen based on what we have seen.

Agree but at the time everyone was screaming for us to get midfielders and avoid talls after being burnt by Brander and our lack of young midfielders. Johnson also looking like a better pick. Fingers crossed Chess comes through with some patience.


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[VicBased]

Watching Van Rooyen tonight it is hard not to feel like we have bungled our 2021 first rounder.

Early days. I would like to see a bigger sample size of evidence. But Chesser seems incredibly injury prone. And he looked like a deer in the headlights in the couple of games he has played. I would much rather have taken Van Rooyen based on what we have seen.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn't it?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Imagine the uproar if we’d drafted a key forward with that pick, weeks after delisting Brander.

 

[the harry]

But we are the only club in the bottom 4 doing it. Melbourne are in a legitimate flag window. That’s the difference. You can defend the deals given out in 2020 and before on the same basis. But the flag window was clearly shut after 2020. Any multi year deals given to over 30’s post 2020 are fair game for criticism IMO.

I think there is a difference between a 2 year deal to players that are important for club culture and/or leadership for a developing team and those that are 4+ (and it's more than the 2 extra years).

Come round 16, Melbourne's window could very well be looking precarious. Their key forward is a second year teenager and their best mid looks more set on the Brownlow than team success.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Not sure if Chesser will make it but the kids played a handful of games in three years. Let’s give him a moment.

 

[Godfather32]

Not sure if Chesser will make it but the kids played a handful of games in three years. Let’s give him a moment.

That's kind of the problem though isn't it?
But agree, have to give him more time before we write him off.

 

[new breed]

Rhett Bazzo helped SD win a Colts GF in 2021 stopping the influence of Van Rooyen so 2021 draft still very good .

 

[Spooky17]

Rhett Bazzo helped SD win a Colts GF in 2021 stopping the influence of Van Rooyen so 2021 draft still very good .

I really rate some of our picks from that draft, Bazzo and Hough especially.

Even Clark with a very late pick was handy. Provides a seasoned body, sets excellent standards on the training track and provides strong leadership.

Very happy with the last two drafts.

 

[WCE_Phill]

This is the draft to go for it and cut deep.

I would do 4 things which would set up put rebuild.

1st. I see us ending up with pick 3. I would float this to WB for their pick 8 and 13.

2nd. I would trade next years first with either GWS or Melb 5/6 and back ourselves to finish 12th or higher

3rd. Adelaide have 2 2nd this year. I would test their appetite to trade F2 and for 22

4th. Trade 22,30,39 to GC for their 1st. Say 4.

We could hit a deep draft with 4, 6,8,13, 21 and 48

Pick up MG in the PSD

Make it happen Pieman

 

[Godfather32]

Rhett Bazzo helped SD win a Colts GF in 2021 stopping the influence of Van Rooyen so 2021 draft still very good .

Bazzo is gonna be a star

 

[new breed]

I really rate some of our picks from that draft, Bazzo and Hough especially.

Even Clarke with a very late pick was handy. Provides a seasoned body, sets excellent standards on the training track and provides strong leadership.

Very happy with the last two drafts.

Yes Clark adds that experience and leadership , got a way to go but as Subiaco captain certainly good for Eagles young group .
Hough and Bazzo look natural footballers , I suppose all AFL players are but they both read the play well .

 

[Obeanie1]

That's kind of the problem though isn't it?
But agree, have to give him more time before we write him off.

We need to stop drafting kids with injury history.

Durability is also a key ability to consider.

 

[Godfather32]

We need to stop drafting kids with injury history.

Durability is also a key ability to consider.

I think it does depend on the injury, would never have drafted Judd if we thought like this, but Judd despite his injuries still had a decent draft year.
I think the problem with Chesser is that we've got (and had at the time we drafted him) no real exposed form to judge him on. We still have no real idea whether he's actually good at football.

 

[briztoon]

Not sure if Chesser will make it but the kids played a handful of games in three years. Let’s give him a moment.

18 months actually. This only his second season.

Unless you’re also counting his top age draft year.

 

[briztoon]

This is the draft to go for it and cut deep.

I would do 4 things which would set up put rebuild.

1st. I see us ending up with pick 3. I would float this to WB for their pick 8 and 13.

2nd. I would trade next years first with either GWS or Melb 5/6 and back ourselves to finish 12th or higher

3rd. Adelaide have 2 2nd this year. I would test their appetite to trade F2 and for 22

4th. Trade 22,30,39 to GC for their 1st. Say 4.

We could hit a deep draft with 4, 6,8,13, 21 and 48

Pick up MG in the PSD

Make it happen Pieman

Unless GC are trading their first round pick, it’s going to be really really hard to get fair value trading a future first round pick for a first round pick this year.

And GC are going to want a bucket load of points in this years draft on top of what you’re giving them in the future.

And GC are going to want to keep points in next year’s draft as well, as they have another strong crop next year (and in 2025).

 

[Art OF war]

Hope he grows a few more cm's and sure otherwise we are going to be stuck with a tweener forward line. It's still so early in the season but he has pushed ahead of Curtin in the forward line so that is a big tick. However I definitely had a higher rating on JVR than his younger brother. Could be a different story by the end of the season.

Say he finishes the same height as his brother at 194cm and continues his development I would be happy drafting him with an early second rounder.

The only problem is all over the ground apart from Harry Edwards (no guarantee he makes the grade) our talls are looking quite short and or not great one on one (apart from Allen) Barnett is a heavy watch as I rate him highly but what made him such a good player in his draft year was his around the ground work and his skills for a big man. Will be interesting watching him develop as if given the opportunity I could see him playing a lot of positions at a very high level.

I would be staying in the ear of Samson Ryan as a potential trade next year and keeping a very close eye on him. The bounce will be gone, he is pretty decent as a forward and the right height and athletic profile for a future number 1 ruck. Also younger than Bailey Williams and less developed at this stage but a much higher ceiling imo.

Do you remember where you had the talls ranked in that draft? Amiss, Darcy, Andrew’s, JVR ect

 

[briztoon]

We need to stop drafting kids with injury history.

Durability is also a key ability to consider.

How much of Chesser’s ankle injury is on him? As opposed to how his injury happened?

Can blame a player if someone else smashed their ankle.

Disclosure: I have no idea how his ankle injury occurred.

 

[briztoon]

Do you remember where you had the talls ranked in that draft? Amiss, Darcy, Andrew’s, JVR ect

Wrong WCE Phil. There are two of them.

 

[Godfather32]

How much of Chesser’s ankle injury is on him? As opposed to how his injury happened?

Can blame a player if someone else smashed their ankle.

Disclosure: I have no idea how his ankle injury occurred.

It's a knee injury isn't it?

 

[ziad]

18 months actually. This only his second season.

Unless you’re also counting his top age draft year.

And he was starting to look the goods - smart runner - prior tp his current hiccup. This is critical as an indicator of why we drafted him as many of our older players (no names so as not to annoy the fan boys) have no idea how to run and dont have the capacity for the modern game. They look good when the play WAFL style footy but thus us a road block to executing the game plan.

 

[briztoon]

It's a knee injury isn't it?

Sorry, I was referring to his first injury at WC.

Didn’t know he was currently injured.

 

[WCE_phil]

Do you remember where you had the talls ranked in that draft? Amiss, Darcy, Andrew’s, JVR ect

Amiss, JVR, Bazzo, Andrew, Lord, Aleer, Conway.

Andrew highest talent, JVR most likely to make it, Amiss as an old style lead from the goal square full forward.

WCE knew JVR wouldn't make it to our second round picks but were hopeful on Bazzo and we got him.

I didn't rate Jack Williams at all. He has shown a lot more than I thought he had in him and I hope that continues but I didn't think he was a draftable talent.

TBH and looking back if JVR had of been 3-4cm taller I would have had him ranked higher than Amiss.

Mac Andrew is an absolute superstar athlete and talent but was always 4 years away from making an impact. I honestly can't believe GC are playing him ATM, he still looks like he'll get broken in a strong tackle.

WCE expected Erasmus to be there for our first pick. When fremantle took him thats when plans changed and we slid down the order for our second preference. Going into draft day WCE genuinely thought freo were taking Amiss and Johnson. Now Erasmus is showing not that much so it's hard to feel down about the Chesser pick. I didn't agree with it, but the way the club went about it after missing our first preference was very well done.

BTW as service veteran, my son as well i've already had a few since the dawn service. So you can all keep blowing smoke up my ass for the Hough and Bazzo picks.

Greg Clark was promised a main list spot with our last draft pick.

(also remember that missing Erasmus meant we took Chesser and Coby Burgiel)

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

This is the draft to go for it and cut deep.

I would do 4 things which would set up put rebuild.

1st. I see us ending up with pick 3. I would float this to WB for their pick 8 and 13.

2nd. I would trade next years first with either GWS or Melb 5/6 and back ourselves to finish 12th or higher

3rd. Adelaide have 2 2nd this year. I would test their appetite to trade F2 and for 22

4th. Trade 22,30,39 to GC for their 1st. Say 4.

We could hit a deep draft with 4, 6,8,13, 21 and 48

Pick up MG in the PSD

Make it happen Pieman

This seems way too good to be true. I assume if we had pick 2, this deal would still be quite similar.

What I will ask though, what happens if we are wooden spooners? Would you take Reid or like Harry Houdini make some magic go into the draft with multiple picks and could expect?

 

[WCE_phil]

Also whilst Burgiel is being developed down back I fully expect him to go forward. The big knock on his game was defensive accountability.