List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[eaglevision]

Cool, so he's steak knives. Why would you be giving up our next two round 1 picks?

Yes I think we can all agree that Corey Warner carries little trade currency. The trades I have posted are what I think Chad Warner will cost.

 

[stallon]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Yes I think we can all agree that Corey Warner carries little trade currency. The trades I have posted are what I think Chad Warner will cost.

2x probable top 5 picks? I'll pass.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

See the problem with drafting quantity over quality? The player coming in is probably not much better than the player going out.

 

[bzparkes]

2x probable top 5 picks? I'll pass.

Where are you getting 2x top 5 picks from?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Where are you getting 2x top 5 picks from?

EV was unclear in his post. I asked him why 2x top 5. He didn't correct me on it, so I can only assume that's what he means. Happy to be corrected.

"3 and F1 for Warner x 2 and 17"

Pretty sure this mean 2025 first round and 2026 first round for Warner Bros and Swans 2025 first pick. I think he's just using this year's ladder positions.

 

[eaglevision]

2x probable top 5 picks? I'll pass.

Not sure where that comes from but a probable future top 5 pick couldn’t even buy pick 26 this year.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Not sure where that comes from but a probable future top 5 pick couldn’t even buy pick 26 this year.

That's not it's true value. That's an exception. You're doing mental gymnastics.

Anyway, doesn't matter. Any half decent recruiter, at the mention of R1 and F1, would say "garn get fd".

 

[stallon]

See the problem with drafting quantity over quality? The player coming in is probably not much better than the player going out.

Yes there are issues when drafting quantity over quality too much, but this is a symptom of making so many list changes in a short period of time more than anything. We just had too many shit players from the 2016-2020 drafts to remove.

The kids drafted in the last 3-4 drafts are still too young to know what theyre going to look like especially as we have taken so many talls.
Like this year for example, would you really keep a Witherden or Rotham on a 1 year deal just to have an extra to delist next year? This draft was so even too, wouldve been a shame to not maximise out exposure to this years draft.
Id take Davis at pick 60whatever instead of Rotham for 1 more year.

 

[archiemoses]

We need to be in Chad's ear right now, saying we will pay you handsomely and offer a fair deal but if the swans start asking for stupid amounts are you willing to go to the draft / psd route assuming it's low risk Richmond pull the trigger.

Hawks R1 and our 2026 F1 is the absolute most we should pay.

On Oscar, if other clubs trigger band 1 compo for him, then we need to go the Ben McKay route and let him go.

I expect us to finish second last so that's pick 3 right there.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Yes there are issues when drafting quantity over quality too much, but this is a symptom of making so many list changes in a short period of time more than anything. We just had too many shit players from the 2016-2020 drafts to remove.

The kids drafted in the last 3-4 drafts are still too young to know what theyre going to look like especially as we have taken so many talls.
Like this year for example, would you really keep a Witherden or Rotham on a 1 year deal just to have an extra to delist next year? This draft was so even too, wouldve been a shame to not maximise out exposure to this years draft.
Id take Davis at pick 60whatever instead of Rotham for 1 more year.

We've pretty much got rid of them. You know guys like Chesser? Put them in a good team and they probably go ok. If not, delist. There's no rush. Once you start getting a core of quality top end players, the other guys step up. Some do, some don't. Could be Chesser, could be Long, could be Hutch. But if you don't have the quality core, a lot of players don't step up at all.

 

[eaglevision]

That's not it's true value. That's an exception. You're doing mental gymnastics.

Anyway, doesn't matter. Any half decent recruiter, at the mention of R1 and F1, would say "garn get fd".

No I’m using the most recent reference point for a “probable top 5 pick”. You’re more than welcome to disagree but I don’t think we’re getting him for less than that if he has a similar season to this year. It would be nice if we did.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

No I’m using the most recent reference point for a “probable top 5 pick”. You’re more than welcome to disagree but I don’t think we’re getting him for less than that if he has a similar season to this year. It would be nice if we did.

Cool, so you're going with the outlier. It all adds up.

 

[ArdentEagle]

We need to recruit Duursma to help keep his future brother-in-law happy.

Yasmin not doing a good enough job???

 

[bzparkes]

EV was unclear in his post. I asked him why 2x top 5. He didn't correct me on it, so I can only assume that's what he means. Happy to be corrected.

"3 and F1 for Warner x 2 and 17"

Pretty sure this mean 2025 first round and 2026 first round for Warner Bros and Swans 2025 first pick. I think he's just using this year's ladder positions.

Well, 2026 is too far away to assume we'll finish bottom 5 again, plenty of teams to rise and fall during that time.

 

[eaglevision]

Cool, so you're going with the outlier. It all adds up.

Outlier? Our “probable top 5 pick” F1 also didn’t buy pick 10 the year before.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Well, 2026 is too far away to assume we'll finish bottom 5 again, plenty of teams to rise and fall during that time.

So you're saying you'd give R1 and F1 for Warner?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Outlier? Our “probable top 5 pick” F1 also didn’t buy pick 10 the year before.

Did you get that info from Dr Phil?

 

[bzparkes]

So you're saying you'd give R1 and F1 for Warner?

Hawthorn's 1st next year and our 2026 1st? For sure.

Even EV's original proposition of 3 and 2026 first, with both Warners and Sydney's 1st coming back is far from terrible.

If we don't rise up the ladder in 20226, with Warner in the side, natural growth from the young players and being familiar with McQualter's gamestyle, then it means something is seriously going wrong.

 

[stallon]

We've pretty much got rid of them. You know guys like Chesser? Put them in a good team and they probably go ok. If not, delist. There's no rush. Once you start getting a core of quality top end players, the other guys step up. Some do, some don't. Could be Chesser, could be Long, could be Hutch. But if you don't have the quality core, a lot of players don't step up at all.

I think outside a classy outside mid, a ruckman and a strong young KPD prospect we have a good core.
The richmond/melbourne game style that Mini knows is unlikely to rely on too many elite ball users anyway, a battler ruckman is needed(Flynn hopefully) and leaving just the KPD to fill.

If our objective is to get the ball forward as quick as possible, relying on winning contests to brute force the ball forward, then lock it in the forward line, we have a good core of players.


In regards to the list management thing, id expect if the WAFL team has any sort of ok year with some better, more enthusiastic youngsters fighting for spots in the AFL side, some of the contracted young players may have some interest from other clubs. Our KPFs in particular. A chance to recoup some draft assets to fill list holes and spread out the ages of the kids a bit perhaps

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Hawthorn's 1st next year and our 2026 1st? For sure.

Cool. So you wouldn't. Why are you arguing with me?

 

[bzparkes]

Cool. So you wouldn't. Why are you arguing with me?

I'm not?

Also, I've added to the post you've quoted.

 

[eaglevision]

Did you get that info from Dr Phil?

“West Coast had a final dip by using its future first-round pick to tempt clubs while Caddy was on the board, also knowing his tight relationship with Reid. But once the Bombers drafted the key forward, the Eagles put their future pick back in safe keeping for 2024.”

Freely available on the AFL website written by Cal Twomey. Don’t bother commenting if you have NFI what you’re talking about.

 

[southcoast]

We need to be in Chad's ear right now, saying we will pay you handsomely and offer a fair deal but if the swans start asking for stupid amounts are you willing to go to the draft / psd route assuming it's low risk Richmond pull.

You mean the anti-Baker discussion?

If so best leave Clarke at home while discussions are held.



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[Ruben Grubarb]

I think outside a classy outside mid, a ruckman and a strong young KPD prospect we have a good core.
The richmond/melbourne game style that Mini knows is unlikely to rely on too many elite ball users anyway, a battler ruckman is needed(Flynn hopefully) and leaving just the KPD to fill.

If our objective is to get the ball forward as quick as possible, relying on winning contests to brute force the ball forward, then lock it in the forward line, we have a good core of players.

In regards to the list management thing, id expect if the WAFL team has any sort of ok year with some better, more enthusiastic youngsters fighting for spots in the AFL side, some of the contracted young players may have some interest from other clubs. Our KPFs in particular. A chance to recoup some draft assets to fill list holes and spread out the ages of the kids a bit perhaps

I don't think it's necessarily positional. Apart from the midfield. I think we need more midfield quality. Not this "go the draft and get R2 and R3 kids who can play midfield". Top end quality. I think Hewett is promising, but counting chickens is a fool's game. We might get lucky. Bro Allan might end up Fyfe like. The other guys, we should be able to find. That outside classy mid - he will probably come in the draft. Maybe next year with Hawks 1st.

Does it worry you that mini is still using Tiger's game plan? You can't go far wrong when you're a super contested side, but is this where the game is going? I think we're also going to need some speed, as well as elite foot skills.

Our WAFL side should win some games next year.