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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

“West Coast had a final dip by using its future first-round pick to tempt clubs while Caddy was on the board, also knowing his tight relationship with Reid. But once the Bombers drafted the key forward, the Eagles put their future pick back in safe keeping for 2024.”

Freely available on the AFL website written by Cal Twomey. Don’t bother commenting if you have NFI what you’re talking about.

You're massively over rating what Warner is worth.

 

[mattyc75]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

Trade Barnett maybe?

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[ArdentEagle]

You're massively over rating what Warner is worth.

Apologies if you've said this before but what would you say his maximum worth in a trade is?

 

[Goomba1973]

Trouble is, i think we finish above North again. I don't see the improvement in them that obviously think they will have. If that's the case Tigers will take both.

If we do finish second last, might be able to have some real interesting discussions with Adelaide (if they finish 3rd/4th last) about what they'd give us for pick 2 (and allow us to still get Rodriguez).

Picking up a future 2026 First might be helpful for any Warner deal.

Allen will get a massive free agency offer from both Brisbane and Sydney at the end of this year. If Allen and WC take it, which I suspect will happen, that will be another 1st rounder in the 2025 draft, likely another top 5 pick. If ladder positions are the same at the end of 2025 as 2024, that will be pick 3,4,12,21 and 28 in the first 2 rounds. We will have more than enough draft capital to satisfy Sydney and still keep some picks. We can afford to lose Allen, we will still have Waterman, J Williams, Archer Reid and now Jobe Shanahan as key forwards .

 

[stallon]

I don't think it's necessarily positional. Apart from the midfield. I think we need more midfield quality. Not this "go the draft and get R2 and R3 kids who can play midfield". Top end quality. I think Hewett is promising, but counting chickens is a fool's game. We might get lucky. Bro Allan might end up Fyfe like. The other guys, we should be able to find. That outside classy mid - he will probably come in the draft. Maybe next year with Hawks 1st.

Hpefully its Rodriguez, but even if its some lesser talent, if the idea is to get it forward ASAP to let our strong KPFs have the best chance I dont think it matters too much.
1 outside leaning mid with a very good kick into the middle with Hewett, Reid, Allan and a Hall/Gross/Grego type would be enough. I believe Chesser's kick is decent btw

Does it worry you that mini is still using Tiger's game plan? You can't go far wrong when you're a super contested side, but is this where the game is going? I think we're also going to need some speed, as well as elite foot skills.

If a club is good enough at what it does then I dont think it matters what the game style is tbh. Certain styles will counter certain styles, regardless of where the game is going.
We have speed dont we? In our pursuit of elite athletes over elite footballers we have the pace side of things more or less on track.
Best thing about having drafted to cover the contested side of the game before Yeo is gone is that we have inside mids ready, its a lot easier to bring in a couple of classy outside mids around a decent contested core than it is to bring in some teenage contested mids to go to battle for some older outside mids

 

[stallon]

Trade Barnett maybe?

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If he can be a KPD then probably not.
If he is a KPD, then we probably have Edwards, Bazzo and Barnett as the 3 over 21 years old in 2027(Jamo gone and Gov retired) who are ready for AFL footy.

Dunno yet tho

 

[bzparkes]

If he can be a KPD then probably not.
If he is a KPD, then we probably have Edwards, Bazzo and Barnett as the 3 over 21 years old in 2027(Jamo gone and Gov retired) who are ready for AFL footy.

Dunno yet tho

Would be huge if he could actually come on as a KPD. Showed a bit at the end of the season in that position.

 

[stallon]

Allen will get a massive free agency offer from both Brisbane and Sydney at the end of this year. If Allen and WC take it, which I suspect will happen, that will be another 1st rounder in the 2025 draft, likely another top 5 pick. If ladder positions are the same at the end of 2025 as 2024, that will be pick 3,4,12,21 and 28 in the first 2 rounds. We will have more than enough draft capital to satisfy Sydney and still keep some picks. We can afford to lose Allen, we will still have Waterman, J Williams, Archer Reid and now Jobe Shanahan as key forwards .

4+12+28 for Warner+17+swansf2?

Gonna have so many picks lmao, got a f/s and 2x NGA likely after that pick 21. Could be 3x picks by 21, Warner x2, Banfield and 2x NGA kids, making 8 list additions. 9 if we get a MSD pick.

So many guys to move on, not that any spuds left

 

[bzparkes]

4+12+28 for Warner+17+swansf2?

Gonna have so many picks lmao, got a f/s and 2x NGA likely after that pick 21. Could be 3x picks by 21, Warner x2, Banfield and 2x NGA kids, making 8 list additions. 9 if we get a MSD pick.

So many guys to move on, not that any spuds left

Yeah, thankfully Clarke(for all his faults during trade week) correctly identified who to move on and what we needed, as did Massey at the draft, no doubt with McQualter's gameplan in mind.

Feels like in years past we just picked 'best available', which is fine for talls, but you need specific types when recruiting for pretty much every other position.

Slow and undersized is gone, big, quick and fast is in.

 

[Obeanie1]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

Dont be surprised when some of the kids start getting poached or tempted.

 

[sharps24]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

We are at the point of needing to cut so deep in order to trade in a player, take Banfield and our NGA's and 1 or both of Rodreigez and Curtin that if a player like Cole or Hunt signs a new contract that we will be needing to have a discussion about letting players like Long and Maric go if they don't have extremely solid seasons.

And re Rawlinson, and it'll be the same with Champion, what is the point of even drafting 18 year olds as rookies if they are undersize. Are we basically saying with Rawlinson if you haven't cracked into the best 22 in your second season you are not just going to make it so we're cutting you to try our luck with the next unknown? Are we going straight back to the Simmo era of drafting players simply so we have someone to delist in 2 seasons time?

 

[stallon]

Yeah, thankfully Clarke(for all his faults during trade week) correctly identified who to move on and what we needed, as did Massey at the draft, no doubt with McQualter's gameplan in mind.

Yep honestly Clarke has done alright outside the shitty negotiations with Richmond, if not for that blip id have him at or around a B+ grade for his first year.

Feels like in years past we just picked 'best available', which is fine for talls, but you need specific types when recruiting for pretty much every other position.

I think we did this reasonably well this year, a clear focus on bringing in some toughness that we lacked.
Lets see if Massey can back it up by drafting Rodriguez next year

Slow and undersized is gone, big, quick and fast is in.

We really are going to be a HUGE team.
Ginbey and Hough(191cm) as medium/small defenders, 3x 196cm+ defenders(including Maric) alongside them. Our midfield all 186cm+, even if we get Rodriguez hes already 185cm with room to grow. Our young wingers(Banfield and Davis) around the 190cm+ mark, Johnston at 185cm. Forwards might be the shortest line on the ground

 

[BartBart]

I think outside a classy outside mid, a ruckman and a strong young KPD prospect we have a good core.
The richmond/melbourne game style that Mini knows is unlikely to rely on too many elite ball users anyway, a battler ruckman is needed(Flynn hopefully) and leaving just the KPD to fill.

If our objective is to get the ball forward as quick as possible, relying on winning contests to brute force the ball forward, then lock it in the forward line, we have a good core of players.


In regards to the list management thing, id expect if the WAFL team has any sort of ok year with some better, more enthusiastic youngsters fighting for spots in the AFL side, some of the contracted young players may have some interest from other clubs. Our KPFs in particular. A chance to recoup some draft assets to fill list holes and spread out the ages of the kids a bit perhaps

I just hope this doesn't mean we return back to the bombing at all costs plan. The one opposition defenders loved & ran it out easily.

 

[stallon]

We are at the point of needing to cut so deep in order to trade in a player, take Banfield and our NGA's and 1 or both of Rodreigez and Curtin that if a player like Cole or Hunt signs a new contract that we will be needing to have a discussion about letting players like Long and Maric go if they don't have extremely solid seasons.

And re Rawlinson, and it'll be the same with Champion, what is the point of even drafting 18 year olds as rookies if they are undersize. Are we basically saying with Rawlinson if you haven't cracked into the best 22 in your second season you are not just going to make it so we're cutting you to try our luck with the next unknown? Are we going straight back to the Simmo era of drafting players simply so we have someone to delist in 2 seasons time?

Tbh if it was up to me our normal rookie list would not have been any teenagers at all for the last couple of years. Use it for mature age guys looking for another chance, or MSD picks. Once we rise up the ladder again it wont matter so much.
With Rawlinson, if hes shown the least then we have to let him go, list spots are limited, we cant wait until hes 25 before making a call.

Cat-B rookies are different, theyre a free hit. Dewar has shown enough now to keep his spot, and Champion is a no-brainer as a catB rookie.

 

[stallon]

I just hope this doesn't mean we return back to the bombing at all costs plan. The one opposition defenders loved & ran it out easily.

Difference is under Simmo we went slow, then when nothing obvious popped up we bombed it to nothing.
If we move the ball a lot faster the oppo defence wont have time to set up.

Imagine Reid/Hewett/Yeo/Allan bursting from a stoppage on the defensive side of the wing, shrugging off a tackle, taking 2 bounces and sending it long, 1 on 1s everywhere inside 50. If Allen/Waterman/JWilliams cant mark it at least they can bring it to ground where our (ideally) strong small forward brigade can go to work. We have enough small forwards on the list that at least a couple will be very good players, surely.

 

[Goomba1973]

4+12+28 for Warner+17+swansf2?

Gonna have so many picks lmao, got a f/s and 2x NGA likely after that pick 21. Could be 3x picks by 21, Warner x2, Banfield and 2x NGA kids, making 8 list additions. 9 if we get a MSD pick.

So many guys to move on, not that any spuds left

That's not a bad deal. I'd be real keen on Rodriges and Curtin, with Banfield and Evans a bit later.

 

[Bacchus]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

Plus this year’s SSP player.

 

[WCE777]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

Sheed, Jamieson, Cripps, Petch, Rawlinson, either Bazzo, Brockman or Flynn can be paid out if don't improve or both as we need a proper ruck who is 205+ like L Reidy from Freo. If Chesser doesn't improve he would be in danger too, trade future pick like you say.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Hopefully Warner signs a stupidly long 8yr deal with the Swans and the idea of us trading a bounty for him can go in the bin.

The sooner he's off the table the better IMO.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Finish second last, Oscar leaves as FA

Richmond takes duursma pick 1, we take Sharp, Rodriguez with 2, 3. Warner for hawks R1 and 2026 R1.

Hope swadling slides to our R2 pick and find a serviceable ruck.

 

[ghostbat12]

If we get our f/s and 2 NGA kids(Evans as a rookie), 2x Warners, and 1x 1st round pick, thats 6 list additions. If we add 1 other player from wherever trade or FA or something, thats 6 main list changes and 1 rookie. Any MSD pick would replace the rookie.

We would need to delist 7.
Sheed, Hunt?, Jamo, Cripps(retire?) and Petch is 5, plus Rawlinson as a rookie is 6. Starting to cut deep.

Need to pick 1 from Chesser, Cole and Bazzo to delist or move on too. Idk if id be rushing to delist any of these guys at the end of this year unless we see something that seriously lowers their values. A trade for a future pick for Chesser or Cole?
Or we pay somebody out, Brockman the only one id consider at this stage from the 2026 OOC crop.

Petch won’t get delisted. He will have a 30 goal year, leave as free agent to Collingwood. We get band 2.

I also predict for Cole to have his rug pulled under him and departs as UFA to Collingwood because their coach wants players, not picks. Band 3.

 

[pantskyle]

My gut feel on next season is we'll not be bottom 2 but bottom 3-5, I also don't think North will be bottom 2 either, they are primed IMO for a small rise up the ladder.

On Warner I'm still fairly confident we're the major player for his services and Swans will be well compensated. Ideally he has another huge year so we won't feel as bad. If he has a down year and we pay a lot we'll be angry. As a club though we already played our cards with the Baker trade, we will be nice guys.

 

[Obeanie1]

We are at the point of needing to cut so deep in order to trade in a player, take Banfield and our NGA's and 1 or both of Rodreigez and Curtin that if a player like Cole or Hunt signs a new contract that we will be needing to have a discussion about letting players like Long and Maric go if they don't have extremely solid seasons.

And re Rawlinson, and it'll be the same with Champion, what is the point of even drafting 18 year olds as rookies if they are undersize. Are we basically saying with Rawlinson if you haven't cracked into the best 22 in your second season you are not just going to make it so we're cutting you to try our luck with the next unknown? Are we going straight back to the Simmo era of drafting players simply so we have someone to delist in 2 seasons time?

Cuts / retirements / trades coming up.

2025
Cripps
Petruccelle
Sheed
Rawlinson R
Jamieson

B Willims trade

There is 6 cuta for 2025

2026

Now that is starting to look challenging on who gets cut / traded.


Ryan
Brockman
Cole
Hunt

Livingston R

 

[WCE_phil]

I think even discounting the Academy prospects (of which I only expect 2 to be top 10) I think the top 10-12 next year is looking really strong.

From what i've seen & of the top WA players so far Freddy Rodriguez is probably ranked at 5 and Curtin around 10. There is then a group of about 4 who could go top 40, Banfield probably being the lowest ranked of those. I think our other academy prospects are late pickups and maybe even Cat B on one.

It's a much, much stronger top age group for WA next year but I think the Allies will be hard to beat. Victoria looking a little lighter on for depth (although some real top prospects) and SA will be stronger than this year particularly with what is looking a strong midfield.