List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025
  • Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
  • Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
  • Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
  • Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
  • Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
  • Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
  • (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
  • (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
 
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think even discounting the Academy prospects (of which I only expect 2 to be top 10) I think the top 10-12 next year is looking really strong.
Which of Uwland, Addinsall and Annable misses the top 10? Chamberlain also goes R1 I think meaning 22 R1 picks before free agency compo is included. Apart from the early/mid 20s the 2R picks will blow out massively after NGA bids, a lot of those kids are in the pick 20-40 range.
 

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My gut feel on next season is we'll not be bottom 2 but bottom 3-5, I also don't think North will be bottom 2 either, they are primed IMO for a small rise up the ladder.

On Warner I'm still fairly confident we're the major player for his services and Swans will be well compensated. Ideally he has another huge year so we won't feel as bad. If he has a down year and we pay a lot we'll be angry. As a club though we already played our cards with the Baker trade, we will be nice guys.
Who are we going to finish ahead of?

Tigers - yes, they are going to be the worst team in a long time
North - maybe, they are young and might finally start to rise, but we've added some mid age talent to strengthen our bottom end as well
Adelaide - maybe, they had a pretty down year next year, think they are better than their record showed
Everyone else - the next worst team won 11 games next year. That's 6 more than us. that's a big gap to make up, not sure we can.

We can win a few more games, improve our % and it would be a good year with things on track but not actually move anywhere.

As a result I think our best possible result will be 4th bottom if we leap the Crows. Think it's more likely we stay where we are, or North jump us.
 
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Unsure how accurate the above is... however...
1. Retire: Cripps, Sheed
2. Delist: Jameson, Rawlinson
3. Trade/FA out: Petch, Cole, Kelly(?)
4. Delist/trade if no improvement: Chesser, Brockman, Livingstone
 
Who are we going to finish ahead of?

Tigers - yes, they are going to be the worst team in a long time
North - maybe, they are young and might finally start to rise, but we've added some mid age talent to strengthen our bottom end as well
Adelaide - maybe, they had a pretty down year next year, think they are better than their record showed
Everyone else - the next worst team won 11 games next year. That's 6 more than us. that's a big gap to make up, not sure we can.

We can win a few more games, improve our % and it would be a good year with things on track but not actually move anywhere.

As a result I think our best possible result will be 4th bottom if we leap the Crows. Think it's more likely we stay where we are, or North jump us.

I don't rate Saints at all, Suns can't be trusted, Pies could continue to drop, one injury and they are finished. Dons meh.
 
Who are we going to finish ahead of?

Tigers - yes, they are going to be the worst team in a long time
North - maybe, they are young and might finally start to rise, but we've added some mid age talent to strengthen our bottom end as well
Adelaide - maybe, they had a pretty down year next year, think they are better than their record showed
Everyone else - the next worst team won 11 games next year. That's 6 more than us. that's a big gap to make up, not sure we can.

We can win a few more games, improve our % and it would be a good year with things on track but not actually move anywhere.

As a result I think our best possible result will be 4th bottom if we leap the Crows. Think it's more likely we stay where we are, or North jump us.
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Predicting the 2025 top 8 is going to be a challenge.

But picking the teams who will slide is even more interesting. I think the injury toll will have a big part to play and expose the teams with little depth should a few key/star players get injured.

Then there's also the questions around the culture and pressure on coaches.

For me, the teams who finished 9-15 all need to make finals to ease large pressures on their coaches. I see Essendon, St Kilda, Melbourne and the Crows as the teams most likely to miss finals.

I also foresee a slide for the Swans, Port Adelaide, and of course the Hawks.
 
Who are we going to finish ahead of?

Tigers - yes, they are going to be the worst team in a long time
North - maybe, they are young and might finally start to rise, but we've added some mid age talent to strengthen our bottom end as well
Adelaide - maybe, they had a pretty down year next year, think they are better than their record showed
Everyone else - the next worst team won 11 games next year. That's 6 more than us. that's a big gap to make up, not sure we can.

We can win a few more games, improve our % and it would be a good year with things on track but not actually move anywhere.

As a result I think our best possible result will be 4th bottom if we leap the Crows. Think it's more likely we stay where we are, or North jump us.
Saints as well

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Cuts / retirements / trades coming up.

2025
Cripps
Petruccelle
Sheed
Rawlinson R
Jamieson

B Willims trade

There is 6 cuta for 2025

2026

Now that is starting to look challenging on who gets cut / traded.


Ryan
Brockman
Cole
Hunt

Livingston R

The problem is only 2 of those are likely to be sure things. Sheed we all assume can't get his foot right so he's gone. He will be backing himself to get back on the park and if he does will want to extend his career, and who knows maybe can get fit again and break into the team, in which case he's certainly young enough to get another contract. I'd say that's very unlikely though.

Cripps had more than 60 shots on goal last year and if he could kick straight could have had a 40 goal season. He's been very keen getting to training early and if he can tidy up his game this year or we improve our supply or both, is every chance of kicking 30 plus and will be seeking an extension as well. I personally would not want to see it but I can easily imagine the club thinking differently about one of its all time favourite sons.

Petruccelle has a lot of upside and having never been used well could find himself having a career best season. He's still relatively young and with a list full of players under 21 his 100 games of experience might be something we want to hold onto slightly longer.

Rawlinson is rated elite for speed [combine tested within 0.05s of Petch and Burgeil] and is possibly the fastest player at the club currently given the injury history of those other 2. He will certainly improve, maybe a lot. Champion is clearly a more skilful player but I'd say at the moment the two of them are our only genuine crumbing small forwards. Having more than one of those is important anyway, and Champion with his tiny frame and concussion issues is no certainty to make it. We'd be delisting Rawlinson for the sake of it [likely to make way for Walley] and putting ourselves 2 years behind again on development in that spot, in circumstances were Cripps likely retires and Champion is nowhere near ready to play 23 games in 2026.

Jamieson would be my tip for first delisted out of all the players mentioned, but for arguments sake maybe he's just starting the pre-season on a modified program but is not actually injured and trains strongly and performs well in the Beagles in circumstances where lets say Brock isn't given the SSP spot and Gov/Edwards doesn't go perfectly. He could yet make a case for himself over Barnett or even Bazzo for that depth KPP spot.

Williams being traded, yeah I'm sure that would be popular with the board but he seems pretty happy here and is contracted for 2026 [signed on for 2 years in 2024 yeah?] and despite peoples wishful thinking about Flynn turning his career around and becoming a 23 game season first ruck or Jack Williams finishing this pre-season as the clear #1 tap ruckman at the club its more than likely Bailey holds the spot he's had no serious competition for in the last 3 seasons. He's also still a very young ruckman and I happen to believe is capable of actually improving as a player still.

The club has been energised by the arrival of a new coach and the list strengthened by trade and draft and the stage seems set for players across the board to improve. I find it hard to believe that we end the season with 6 clear needs so far as delisting. I think we will struggle to make a case for 4, and that Noah Long could well be one of those in that conversation because he is not actually a genuine small forward [unlike Rawlinson] and would be a very long way back in so far as establishing himself as a mid in this side now. Tom Cole is one that could go either way, I can easily see him finding his jam with a new game plan or alternative just spending the whole year at the beagles as we explore other options in defence.

In order to bring in 6 new players for 2026, it's going to depend on us trading out at least 2 mature [likely best 22] players. And that comes from the likes of Allen, Williams, Kelly, Edwards as best 22 that clubs might be willing to pay something for, and Cole, Petch, Barnett on the fringe who clubs might just offer some late picks that we take just to open up a list spot.

We are likely a stronger list in 2026 is we aim to retain experience rather than get overly speculative with new 18 year olds. I'd personally be drawing the line at Banfield, having taken Rodreigez and Curtin in the first round. 3 high quality players in, for Cripps, Sheed, Jamo out. We are way better off with everyone else in the conversation just improving and earning themselves another contract.
 

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Was just going to post similar - did the golf meet happen just before Horse announced his retirement and the following statement by Cox keeping Warner. You'd think it'd be done+dusted then, Warner stays with Swans, but then it is up to Warner, no? A squillion bucks a season? Seriously is he even that good or worth that sort of investment; surely there are similar types around on the gun scale, maybe not as top notch, but still improve our midfield and impact games. There is the Chad Perth connection though.
The Chad factor aside, get the feeling WCE is building as a destination club.
 
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The problem is only 2 of those are likely to be sure things. Sheed we all assume can't get his foot right so he's gone. He will be backing himself to get back on the park and if he does will want to extend his career, and who knows maybe can get fit again and break into the team, in which case he's certainly young enough to get another contract. I'd say that's very unlikely though.

Cripps had more than 60 shots on goal last year and if he could kick straight could have had a 40 goal season. He's been very keen getting to training early and if he can tidy up his game this year or we improve our supply or both, is every chance of kicking 30 plus and will be seeking an extension as well. I personally would not want to see it but I can easily imagine the club thinking differently about one of its all time favourite sons.

Petruccelle has a lot of upside and having never been used well could find himself having a career best season. He's still relatively young and with a list full of players under 21 his 100 games of experience might be something we want to hold onto slightly longer.

Rawlinson is rated elite for speed [combine tested within 0.05s of Petch and Burgeil] and is possibly the fastest player at the club currently given the injury history of those other 2. He will certainly improve, maybe a lot. Champion is clearly a more skilful player but I'd say at the moment the two of them are our only genuine crumbing small forwards. Having more than one of those is important anyway, and Champion with his tiny frame and concussion issues is no certainty to make it. We'd be delisting Rawlinson for the sake of it [likely to make way for Walley] and putting ourselves 2 years behind again on development in that spot, in circumstances were Cripps likely retires and Champion is nowhere near ready to play 23 games in 2026.

Jamieson would be my tip for first delisted out of all the players mentioned, but for arguments sake maybe he's just starting the pre-season on a modified program but is not actually injured and trains strongly and performs well in the Beagles in circumstances where lets say Brock isn't given the SSP spot and Gov/Edwards doesn't go perfectly. He could yet make a case for himself over Barnett or even Bazzo for that depth KPP spot.

Williams being traded, yeah I'm sure that would be popular with the board but he seems pretty happy here and is contracted for 2026 [signed on for 2 years in 2024 yeah?] and despite peoples wishful thinking about Flynn turning his career around and becoming a 23 game season first ruck or Jack Williams finishing this pre-season as the clear #1 tap ruckman at the club its more than likely Bailey holds the spot he's had no serious competition for in the last 3 seasons. He's also still a very young ruckman and I happen to believe is capable of actually improving as a player still.

The club has been energised by the arrival of a new coach and the list strengthened by trade and draft and the stage seems set for players across the board to improve. I find it hard to believe that we end the season with 6 clear needs so far as delisting. I think we will struggle to make a case for 4, and that Noah Long could well be one of those in that conversation because he is not actually a genuine small forward [unlike Rawlinson] and would be a very long way back in so far as establishing himself as a mid in this side now. Tom Cole is one that could go either way, I can easily see him finding his jam with a new game plan or alternative just spending the whole year at the beagles as we explore other options in defence.

In order to bring in 6 new players for 2026, it's going to depend on us trading out at least 2 mature [likely best 22] players. And that comes from the likes of Allen, Williams, Kelly, Edwards as best 22 that clubs might be willing to pay something for, and Cole, Petch, Barnett on the fringe who clubs might just offer some late picks that we take just to open up a list spot.

We are likely a stronger list in 2026 is we aim to retain experience rather than get overly speculative with new 18 year olds. I'd personally be drawing the line at Banfield, having taken Rodreigez and Curtin in the first round. 3 high quality players in, for Cripps, Sheed, Jamo out. We are way better off with everyone else in the conversation just improving and earning themselves another contract.

Making difficult list calls is a good problem to have.

And if we trade in Warner and the NGA's at a discount next year we will start chasing quality picks no longer quantity.
 
We need to recruit Duursma to help keep his future brother-in-law happy.
Totally agree, I've floated this before, i'm glad somebody else thinks the same way.
We should always take the best available player that suits our needs.
 
The problem is only 2 of those are likely to be sure things. Sheed we all assume can't get his foot right so he's gone. He will be backing himself to get back on the park and if he does will want to extend his career, and who knows maybe can get fit again and break into the team, in which case he's certainly young enough to get another contract. I'd say that's very unlikely though.

Cripps had more than 60 shots on goal last year and if he could kick straight could have had a 40 goal season. He's been very keen getting to training early and if he can tidy up his game this year or we improve our supply or both, is every chance of kicking 30 plus and will be seeking an extension as well. I personally would not want to see it but I can easily imagine the club thinking differently about one of its all time favourite sons.

Petruccelle has a lot of upside and having never been used well could find himself having a career best season. He's still relatively young and with a list full of players under 21 his 100 games of experience might be something we want to hold onto slightly longer.

Rawlinson is rated elite for speed [combine tested within 0.05s of Petch and Burgeil] and is possibly the fastest player at the club currently given the injury history of those other 2. He will certainly improve, maybe a lot. Champion is clearly a more skilful player but I'd say at the moment the two of them are our only genuine crumbing small forwards. Having more than one of those is important anyway, and Champion with his tiny frame and concussion issues is no certainty to make it. We'd be delisting Rawlinson for the sake of it [likely to make way for Walley] and putting ourselves 2 years behind again on development in that spot, in circumstances were Cripps likely retires and Champion is nowhere near ready to play 23 games in 2026.

Jamieson would be my tip for first delisted out of all the players mentioned, but for arguments sake maybe he's just starting the pre-season on a modified program but is not actually injured and trains strongly and performs well in the Beagles in circumstances where lets say Brock isn't given the SSP spot and Gov/Edwards doesn't go perfectly. He could yet make a case for himself over Barnett or even Bazzo for that depth KPP spot.

Williams being traded, yeah I'm sure that would be popular with the board but he seems pretty happy here and is contracted for 2026 [signed on for 2 years in 2024 yeah?] and despite peoples wishful thinking about Flynn turning his career around and becoming a 23 game season first ruck or Jack Williams finishing this pre-season as the clear #1 tap ruckman at the club its more than likely Bailey holds the spot he's had no serious competition for in the last 3 seasons. He's also still a very young ruckman and I happen to believe is capable of actually improving as a player still.

The club has been energised by the arrival of a new coach and the list strengthened by trade and draft and the stage seems set for players across the board to improve. I find it hard to believe that we end the season with 6 clear needs so far as delisting. I think we will struggle to make a case for 4, and that Noah Long could well be one of those in that conversation because he is not actually a genuine small forward [unlike Rawlinson] and would be a very long way back in so far as establishing himself as a mid in this side now. Tom Cole is one that could go either way, I can easily see him finding his jam with a new game plan or alternative just spending the whole year at the beagles as we explore other options in defence.

In order to bring in 6 new players for 2026, it's going to depend on us trading out at least 2 mature [likely best 22] players. And that comes from the likes of Allen, Williams, Kelly, Edwards as best 22 that clubs might be willing to pay something for, and Cole, Petch, Barnett on the fringe who clubs might just offer some late picks that we take just to open up a list spot.

We are likely a stronger list in 2026 is we aim to retain experience rather than get overly speculative with new 18 year olds. I'd personally be drawing the line at Banfield, having taken Rodreigez and Curtin in the first round. 3 high quality players in, for Cripps, Sheed, Jamo out. We are way better off with everyone else in the conversation just improving and earning themselves another contract.
Need to make tough decisions. All your ifs and maybes has been led us to keeping dead wood on the list for years. We need to be ruthless
 
Making difficult list calls is a good problem to have.

And if we trade in Warner and the NGA's at a discount next year we will start chasing quality picks no longer quantity.

Yeah agree it's a good problem to have. If Warner happens it'll either come at a cost of losing Allen or missing out on a top 10 rated WA kid. He could in a worst case scenario come in at the cost of both our first rounders meaning we lose out on both of Rodreigez and Curtin.

Most clubs most years, unless they are in a rebuild, look to bring in 3 draftee's. Usually a first, a second, and a third and hoping maybe one of them makes it. So years you might take 2, some years 4. Anything outside of that is against the norm. We've dialled list turnover up to 11 in the past 3 years. There is no reason to do so again. It is just ironic that we go into the draft with 2 first rounders instead of 1 and have father son access to another kid who's rated as late first round. We have NGA prospects and it's so long been the case that we haven't had that that people think we need to take those kids. We don't.

The list is healthy and natural turnover indicates 3 will go, so 3 should come in. Great for us as we have access to 3 first round picks. Maybe some trades happen with mature players coming in and going out as well but that's beside the point. We shouldn't be dumping talented players who have been in the system a few years and are ready now for AFL football when a spot opens up, just to take advantage of access to some NGA kids rated as 3rd and 4th round prospects.
 
The problem is only 2 of those are likely to be sure things. Sheed we all assume can't get his foot right so he's gone. He will be backing himself to get back on the park and if he does will want to extend his career, and who knows maybe can get fit again and break into the team, in which case he's certainly young enough to get another contract. I'd say that's very unlikely though.

Cripps had more than 60 shots on goal last year and if he could kick straight could have had a 40 goal season. He's been very keen getting to training early and if he can tidy up his game this year or we improve our supply or both, is every chance of kicking 30 plus and will be seeking an extension as well. I personally would not want to see it but I can easily imagine the club thinking differently about one of its all time favourite sons.

Petruccelle has a lot of upside and having never been used well could find himself having a career best season. He's still relatively young and with a list full of players under 21 his 100 games of experience might be something we want to hold onto slightly longer.

Rawlinson is rated elite for speed [combine tested within 0.05s of Petch and Burgeil] and is possibly the fastest player at the club currently given the injury history of those other 2. He will certainly improve, maybe a lot. Champion is clearly a more skilful player but I'd say at the moment the two of them are our only genuine crumbing small forwards. Having more than one of those is important anyway, and Champion with his tiny frame and concussion issues is no certainty to make it. We'd be delisting Rawlinson for the sake of it [likely to make way for Walley] and putting ourselves 2 years behind again on development in that spot, in circumstances were Cripps likely retires and Champion is nowhere near ready to play 23 games in 2026.

Jamieson would be my tip for first delisted out of all the players mentioned, but for arguments sake maybe he's just starting the pre-season on a modified program but is not actually injured and trains strongly and performs well in the Beagles in circumstances where lets say Brock isn't given the SSP spot and Gov/Edwards doesn't go perfectly. He could yet make a case for himself over Barnett or even Bazzo for that depth KPP spot.

Williams being traded, yeah I'm sure that would be popular with the board but he seems pretty happy here and is contracted for 2026 [signed on for 2 years in 2024 yeah?] and despite peoples wishful thinking about Flynn turning his career around and becoming a 23 game season first ruck or Jack Williams finishing this pre-season as the clear #1 tap ruckman at the club its more than likely Bailey holds the spot he's had no serious competition for in the last 3 seasons. He's also still a very young ruckman and I happen to believe is capable of actually improving as a player still.

The club has been energised by the arrival of a new coach and the list strengthened by trade and draft and the stage seems set for players across the board to improve. I find it hard to believe that we end the season with 6 clear needs so far as delisting. I think we will struggle to make a case for 4, and that Noah Long could well be one of those in that conversation because he is not actually a genuine small forward [unlike Rawlinson] and would be a very long way back in so far as establishing himself as a mid in this side now. Tom Cole is one that could go either way, I can easily see him finding his jam with a new game plan or alternative just spending the whole year at the beagles as we explore other options in defence.

In order to bring in 6 new players for 2026, it's going to depend on us trading out at least 2 mature [likely best 22] players. And that comes from the likes of Allen, Williams, Kelly, Edwards as best 22 that clubs might be willing to pay something for, and Cole, Petch, Barnett on the fringe who clubs might just offer some late picks that we take just to open up a list spot.

We are likely a stronger list in 2026 is we aim to retain experience rather than get overly speculative with new 18 year olds. I'd personally be drawing the line at Banfield, having taken Rodreigez and Curtin in the first round. 3 high quality players in, for Cripps, Sheed, Jamo out. We are way better off with everyone else in the conversation just improving and earning themselves another contract.
We aren't that good a team yet, if we needed to find 6 players to cut we could do it pretty easy. Some might not be nice to cut, but you have to be ruthless.
 
Yeah agree it's a good problem to have. If Warner happens it'll either come at a cost of losing Allen or missing out on a top 10 rated WA kid. He could in a worst case scenario come in at the cost of both our first rounders meaning we lose out on both of Rodreigez and Curtin.

Most clubs most years, unless they are in a rebuild, look to bring in 3 draftee's. Usually a first, a second, and a third and hoping maybe one of them makes it. So years you might take 2, some years 4. Anything outside of that is against the norm. We've dialled list turnover up to 11 in the past 3 years. There is no reason to do so again. It is just ironic that we go into the draft with 2 first rounders instead of 1 and have father son access to another kid who's rated as late first round. We have NGA prospects and it's so long been the case that we haven't had that that people think we need to take those kids. We don't.

The list is healthy and natural turnover indicates 3 will go, so 3 should come in. Great for us as we have access to 3 first round picks. Maybe some trades happen with mature players coming in and going out as well but that's beside the point. We shouldn't be dumping talented players who have been in the system a few years and are ready now for AFL football when a spot opens up, just to take advantage of access to some NGA kids rated as 3rd and 4th round prospects.
If we don't get Warner, we take our two first rounders to the draft, then pick up the three NGA f/s options if they are worth it, moving excess 2nd rounders that aren't needed into 2026.
 
Need to make tough decisions. All your ifs and maybes has been led us to keeping dead wood on the list for years. We need to be ruthless

We've been ruthless, there is little to no dead wood left. There are 3 obvious choices to call time on and after that every single person in the conversation has upside. We can bring in 3 first round talents to fill those 3 spots. After that We are now talking about delisting 22 year olds like Chesser and Long, or 100 game fringe 22 players like Cole and Petch, in order to take a punt on some NGA kid that probably doesn't even get bid on until the 4th round. It's madness, I just don't see it happening.
 
Rawlinson is rated elite for speed [combine tested within 0.05s of Petch and Burgeil] and is possibly the fastest player at the club currently given the injury history of those other 2. He will certainly improve, maybe a lot. Champion is clearly a more skilful player but I'd say at the moment the two of them are our only genuine crumbing small forwards.

I believe Rawlinson played mid in his juniors and it's only the club that's pigeoned him as a crumbing forward.

I think Wes Walley next year has more potential in this role so would be happy to get him in.

I'd really like to see Rawlinson played in the middle this year he has great speed and good skills and could be a good link up player.
 

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