List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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SSP signing dates

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[stallon]

Just saw on the news that Edwards has stress fractures in his foot and i am not sure if i heard this right but it sounded like they said "he will finish the season in a moon boot". Anybody else have any info on whether this is season ending for him or not?

I think they mean he will end the year in a moon boot, so over Christmas

 

[amazingjoshy]

For those that want us to invest in a ruck to be competing, I wanted some facts. So I went back in history to see what the Grand Final ruck combinations looked like since 2015

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I highlighted in yellow players who had been traded and hence at their second or more club. Note that Grundy is highlighted at the Swans in 2024 but not at the Pies in 2018 as he was drafted to Pies.

What it says is that you only need a serviceable ruckman and a KPF who can chop out in the ruck. The KPF needs to be happy to ruck (as against Lynch, Hawkins, JK, etc who can take the odd hit out but do not go for centre clearances and deep in defence to ruck)

A good midfield can paper over the cracks of an average ruck. When NicNat was around, this was the opposite.

A serviceable ruckman with Archer Reid filling in may well just be all we need. If Flynn can get fit this season, he and Jack Williams should be enough.

The real question we need answering this coming season is will Barnett make it as an AFL player and if yes, as what - ruck or KPD?

Preaching to the choir here

 

[We_The_West]

I got a message with a follow up so I have included in orange the players that subsequently moved after a GF appearance (trade or FA)

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Point I took away - get an acceptable ruck for the GF when you get close (he doesn't need to be top shelf). Better to draft a KPF and develop them yourself. Besides, KPF are hard to find and usually expensive.

From memory, Shaun Grigg and Sam Jacobs were originally at Carlton before their respective premiership pushes.

But yes, agreed - and good post! Really paints a picture doesn't it

Looks like the data shows there is less need to draft and develop a ruckman.

 

[We_The_West]

I think they mean he will end the year in a moon boot, so over Christmas

Hope he ends up in the ruck

 

[We_The_West]

Outstanding player and would love to get him but not if we have to sell the farm. The thing is, I expect Hewett to become a similar sort of player, and Hutchinson to become a big bodied mid, building on the small, but promising, sample we saw at times last season. I'm of the opinion our mid-field isn't as bereft of talent as some would have us believe, other than the ruckmen that is, who have given our mids nothing for 3 years! If Flynn stands up and can create a break-even situation for our mids, then it will allow them to be more offensive, something they've not had the luxury of in the past 3 seasons. Well see how we go before deciding on how much we "need" and should give up for Warner.

What are you comfortable giving up for Warner? 2 first rnd picks seems fair and not selling the farm?

I'm also optimistic about the list and both Hewett and Hutchinson. I also think Hall has a place as well

 

[briztoon]

We managed a F1+F2+F3 for a now 29 year old Tom Barrass who has a back far worse than Allen's knee and Tom has a neck issue as well.

Don't underestimate what teams will pay if they actively hunt a player, it's very regularly overs whilst overlooking medical issues.

Out of the mouth of Don this year, 'Tommy 100% wouldn't have passed the Swans medical'

What would you prefer for Allan at the end of next season?

A F1+F2+F3 (2026 draft) from a probable top 8 side.

Or.

A probable top 3 (4) compensation pick in the 2025 draft.

 

[stallon]

Hope he ends up in the ruck

I dont, we have more of a need for Edwards to be a KPD than a ruckman right now

 

[stallon]

What would you prefer for Allan at the end of next season?

A F1+F2+F3 (2026 draft) from a probable top 8 side.

Or.

A probable top 3 (4) compensation pick in the 2025 draft.

Allen is worth far more than Barrass wtf kind of comparison is this.

Teams will pay far more for Allen than Barrass, KPFs are worth more and Allen is younger. Teams also have access to an extra 1st rounder(in 2027).

 

[ArdentEagle]

What would you prefer for Allan at the end of next season?

A F1+F2+F3 (2026 draft) from a probable top 8 side.

Or.

A probable top 3 (4) compensation pick in the 2025 draft.

Think the point he was making is that he's worth is way more than F1+F2+F3 (29yr old TB), hence the question probably isn't relevant.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Did Brock just become front runner with that Edwards injury.

 

[briztoon]

Allen is worth far more than Barrass wtf kind of comparison is this.

Teams will pay far more for Allen than Barrass, KPFs are worth more and Allen is younger. Teams also have access to an extra 1st rounder(in 2027).

I quoted WCE_phil, and while it wasn't a direct comparison he was giving, it provides a floor for any discussion.

Allen is worth more than Barrass if his knee holds up and a medical says he's got at least 5 more years on it.

I've always been of the view that West Coast wouldn't let a healthy Allen go, or be willing to cash in on him for draft picks.

Without knowing what the concerns are with Allen's knee, it's hard to put a value on him at the trade table.

Think the point he was making is that he's worth is way more than F1+F2+F3 (29yr old TB), hence the question probably isn't relevant.

Following from my comments above, if Allen does have a degenerative knee condition, as I've seen speculated upon here, what is his worth?

What would you be happy with your club paying for such a player?

 

[WCE777]

I think Jamo was on light duties?
I have no faith in Jamo being a KPD for us, hes really shown nothing so far.

I hope he proves me wrong but im putting him as emergency KPD or ruck depth only, if we have no other options

have to agree

 

[BartBart]

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[WCE777]

What are you comfortable giving up for Warner? 2 first rnd picks seems fair and not selling the farm?

I'm also optimistic about the list and both Hewett and Hutchinson. I also think Hall has a place as well

100% agree, Warner 2 1st round picks, fair value.
Hewett is a bull and if he stays healthy WC have a real weapon, Hutch looks like he will get some time on ball and wing, that game against Geelong almost sealed his fate as a medium FWD imo.
Hall is another preseason and year at WAFL before he is ready to take on inside mid role, seems to have the attributes to be a decent mid in time, as Kelly and Yeo age over the next year or so I can see him playing that inside role. His 18yo year was very good, just finding his feet at another level that's AFL imo.

 

[stallon]

I quoted WCE_phil, and while it wasn't a direct comparison he was giving, it provides a floor for any discussion.

Allen is worth more than Barrass if his knee holds up and a medical says he's got at least 5 more years on it.

I've always been of the view that West Coast wouldn't let a healthy Allen go, or be willing to cash in on him for draft picks.

Without knowing what the concerns are with Allen's knee, it's hard to put a value on him at the trade table.

I know what youre referring to, it still made no sense. Your example was bad.

If Allen was leaving and there was no way to convince him to stay, then obviously we would maximise the assets we get in return, that 1st+2nd+3rd rounders example was just dumb. Of course we take the probable top 4 pick.

If Allen is healthy and wants to leave, then he will fetch more via trade than compo, especially when clubs have an extra f1 pick available to them. More than a single top 4 pick would be offered.

If his injury was a concern and he was worth less then obviously we take the compo.

You said it yourself theres no way to place a value on him this far out. So again, your comment was pointless

 

[stallon]

What are you comfortable giving up for Warner? 2 first rnd picks seems fair and not selling the farm?

I'm also optimistic about the list and both Hewett and Hutchinson. I also think Hall has a place as well

Depends what first round picks are used. Not all are equal

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

What would you prefer for Allan at the end of next season?

A F1+F2+F3 (2026 draft) from a probable top 8 side.

Or.

A probable top 3 (4) compensation pick in the 2025 draft.

I’d take F1+F2+F3 (2026 draft) from a probable top 8 side for Bo Allan (but top 8 not top 4)

I’d take pick 3 or 4 for Oscar Allen unless he shows he is over his knee and then I’d match the offer

That’s why I like having options

 

[stallon]

100% agree, Warner 2 1st round picks, fair value.

2 mid 1st round picks sure, but not 2 top 4 picks. Just saying 2 1st round picks leaves it very open to interpretation

Hewett is a bull and if he stays healthy WC have a real weapon, Hutch looks like he will get some time on ball and wing, that game against Geelong almost sealed his fate as a medium FWD imo.
Hall is another preseason and year at WAFL before he is ready to take on inside mid role, seems to have the attributes to be a decent mid in time, as Kelly and Yeo age over the next year or so I can see him playing that inside role. His 18yo year was very good, just finding his feet at another level that's AFL imo.

I wouldnt be banking on Hutch to be an inside mid for us just yet, need to see something. I agree with the rest though.

Im hoping in 2026 we see a real changing of the guard in the middle. Reid and Hewett in there this year, potentially Warner, Allan and Hall joining them in 2026

 

[TheBudgies]

2 mid 1st round picks sure, but not 2 top 4 picks. Just saying 2 1st round picks leaves it very open to interpretation

I wouldnt be banking on Hutch to be an inside mid for us just yet, need to see something. I agree with the rest though.

Im hoping in 2026 we see a real changing of the guard in the middle. Reid and Hewett in there this year, potentially Warner, Allan and Hall joining them in 2026

I think Kelly is a big one. Needs to spend more time out of the CBD preference would be High HFF, but i guess Wing could work. Maybe rotate with Hewett and as Hewett's tank builds they transition to Hewett being in the number 1 midfield group instead of Kelly. Probably aim to make the switch at around midseason.

 

[WCE777]

Depends what first round picks are used. Not all are equal

Hawks 1st, WC F1st, if Sydney want all in 2025, buy another mid 1st round with future assets.

 

[briztoon]

I’d take F1+F2+F3 (2026 draft) from a probable top 8 side for Bo Allan (but top 8 not top 4)

I’d take pick 3 or 4 for Oscar Allen unless he shows he is over his knee and then I’d match the offer

That’s why I like having options

I don’t believe he leaves if his knee is ok. West Coast give him the extension he wants.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I quoted WCE_phil, and while it wasn't a direct comparison he was giving, it provides a floor for any discussion.

Allen is worth more than Barrass if his knee holds up and a medical says he's got at least 5 more years on it.

I've always been of the view that West Coast wouldn't let a healthy Allen go, or be willing to cash in on him for draft picks.

Without knowing what the concerns are with Allen's knee, it's hard to put a value on him at the trade table.



Following from my comments above, if Allen does have a degenerative knee condition, as I've seen speculated upon here, what is his worth?

What would you be happy with your club paying for such a player?

Phil says the knee nowhere near as bad as the back.
Going by that, it's not too hard to figure out he's worth substantially more.

 

[Keys]

Did Brock just become front runner with that Edwards injury.

Personally think he was already in front

Now he’s put a significant gap on Burgiel

Bear in mind Jamieson is still in the early stages of rehab and is a fair way off returning to full training.

Oh and Bazzo will s looking promising but is still sitting out a sizeable chunk of training

On a needs basis, Brock is miles ahead of Burgiel (who hasn’t been all that impressive this preseason imo)

 

[Dark Sharks]

Good Lord, i had no idea Woodhouse was still attached to the Eagles.

I remember him getting sacked as skills coach way back when, when we were awful.





+1 for Brock. Untried but definitely the most sensible SSP option. Lots of upside there, but more importantly he fills a need.

 

[TheBudgies]

Personally think he was already in front

Now he’s put a significant gap on Burgiel

Bear in mind Jamieson is still in the early stages of rehab and is a fair way off returning to full training.

Oh and Bazzo will s looking promising but is still sitting out a sizeable chunk of training

On a needs basis, Brock is miles ahead of Burgiel (who hasn’t been all that impressive this preseason imo)

If DGB doesn't sign with Carlton i reckon he'd be a good one to have a look at prior to locking in Brock. Might be an option if Sheed goes to LTI list before the SSP closes.