List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025
  • Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
  • Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
  • Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
  • Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
  • Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
  • Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
  • (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
  • (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
 
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I believe Rawlinson played mid in his juniors and it's only the club that's pigeoned him as a crumbing forward.

I think Wes Walley next year has more potential in this role so would be happy to get him in.

I'd really like to see Rawlinson played in the middle this year he has great speed and good skills and could be a good link up player.

He played mid as a junior but switched to small forward in his draft year as that's were he was told he was best suited, and he played well there. Club drafted him as a small forward.

STRENGTHS:

  • Clean hands
  • Scoreboard impact
  • Speed
  • Work rate

IMPROVEMENTS:

– Kick consistency
– Size

Sturt small forward Loch Rawlinson is the latest AFL Draft hopeful out of the Double Blues, having pieced together plenty of eye-catching moments this season. With a terrific speed-endurance combination, Rawlinson worked his way into a State Draft Combine invite off the back of a solid national carnival and SANFL Under 18s season. For the Croweaters, Rawlinson kicked a couple of goals from 11 disposals on average, and generally used his clean hands to advantage.

A nimble player in close, he is a classy talent with upside, and having the work rate to get from contest-to-contest helps. Standing at only 178cm and 72kg, Rawlinson is still only light, and therefore his contented work is an area of improvement, while his kicking consistency, particularly in full flight, is another way the South Australian can further improve. He proved a clutch player in Sturt’s run to the SANFL Under 18s Grand Final though, having a handy knack for kicking crucial goals.

In terms of interest at the next level, clubs would have been impressed by Rawlinson’s performance at the state combine. He tore up the 20m sprint with a top time of 2.894 seconds, which is elite by any standards. Rawlinson also adjusted nicely this year to becoming a much more permanent small forward, showing an understanding of where he is most likely to fit in at the next level and acquitting himself well. He can either be that crafty goalsneak or work as a hard-running high half-forward.
 
I believe Rawlinson played mid in his juniors and it's only the club that's pigeoned him as a crumbing forward.

I think Wes Walley next year has more potential in this role so would be happy to get him in.

I'd really like to see Rawlinson played in the middle this year he has great speed and good skills and could be a good link up player.

The issue with dumping him for Walley is that Cripps retires this year. Champion isn't going to be ready in 2026 for the rigours of playing 23 afl games. Nor will Wes Walley be that as a first year player.

Loch Rawlinson will be in his 3rd year. Just don't see why you'd dump a 21 year old who's put in the work to get his body ready to play AFL football, who's settled in at the club, who's learnt the new system, and who still has elite speed and football ability. Who's only real knock as an 18 year old was he needed to put on size [the exact thing that's going to be holding back Champion and Walley] just to take another player who has similar characteristics but then needs 3 years in the system to be ready. That seems pretty dumb.
 
We've been ruthless, there is little to no dead wood left. There are 3 obvious choices to call time on and after that every single person in the conversation has upside. We can bring in 3 first round talents to fill those 3 spots. After that We are now talking about delisting 22 year olds like Chesser and Long, or 100 game fringe 22 players like Cole and Petch, in order to take a punt on some NGA kid that probably doesn't even get bid on until the 4th round. It's madness, I just don't see it happening.
I like Petch, but he can go unless he shows dramatic improvement. He'll be 27 in 2026.
Jamieson - gone
Chesser/Brockman - both need to show substantial improvement or they can go
 

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I like Petch, but he can go unless he shows dramatic improvement. He'll be 27 in 2026.
Jamieson - gone
Chesser/Brockman - both need to show substantial improvement or they can go

Its fine to criticise these players but lets not kid ourselves, we are talking about replacing them with complete unknown quantities from the back end of the draft. These are players who have all played AFL football, are all ready to play more AFL football and who have all likely been held back by the ridiculous development situation at the beagles. None of them need to show improvement at all to be more valuable to the list in 2026 than some 3rd or 4th round 18 year old. If we needed to clear 3 list spots in order to use pick 5, 12 and bid on Charlie Banfield then certainly, turf them out. But that's not the case. They would be going for players in a part of the draft who statistically have what a 5% chance of ever making it as far as Petch has?
 
Its fine to criticise these players but lets not kid ourselves, we are talking about replacing them with complete unknown quantities from the back end of the draft. These are players who have all played AFL football, are all ready to play more AFL football and who have all likely been held back by the ridiculous development situation at the beagles. None of them need to show improvement at all to be more valuable to the list in 2026 than some 3rd or 4th round 18 year old. If we needed to clear 3 list spots in order to use pick 5, 12 and bid on Charlie Banfield then certainly, turf them out. But that's not the case. They would be going for players in a part of the draft who statistically have what a 5% chance of ever making it as far as Petch has?
We aren't trying to win the flag in 2026. We are trying to win a flag circa 2028-32. That's what we should be building to. Don't think Petch is going to be part of that.
 
The problem is only 2 of those are likely to be sure things. Sheed we all assume can't get his foot right so he's gone. He will be backing himself to get back on the park and if he does will want to extend his career, and who knows maybe can get fit again and break into the team, in which case he's certainly young enough to get another contract. I'd say that's very unlikely though.

Cripps had more than 60 shots on goal last year and if he could kick straight could have had a 40 goal season. He's been very keen getting to training early and if he can tidy up his game this year or we improve our supply or both, is every chance of kicking 30 plus and will be seeking an extension as well. I personally would not want to see it but I can easily imagine the club thinking differently about one of its all time favourite sons.

Petruccelle has a lot of upside and having never been used well could find himself having a career best season. He's still relatively young and with a list full of players under 21 his 100 games of experience might be something we want to hold onto slightly longer.
As some have pointed out, hes a free agent next year. If he has a career best year then any compo would have to be considered too. Imagine getting band 2 for him?
Rawlinson is rated elite for speed [combine tested within 0.05s of Petch and Burgeil] and is possibly the fastest player at the club currently given the injury history of those other 2. He will certainly improve, maybe a lot. Champion is clearly a more skilful player but I'd say at the moment the two of them are our only genuine crumbing small forwards. Having more than one of those is important anyway, and Champion with his tiny frame and concussion issues is no certainty to make it. We'd be delisting Rawlinson for the sake of it [likely to make way for Walley] and putting ourselves 2 years behind again on development in that spot, in circumstances were Cripps likely retires and Champion is nowhere near ready to play 23 games in 2026.
We have Owies, Ryan, Dewar and Champion who have no question marks on whether theyll be on the list for 2026 at this stage. Davis and Gross probably start their careers off half forward too, Hutchinson another option.
Then we will probably want to rotate Reid, Hewett, and Kelly into the forward line(1 of the 3 always forward).
Thats 7 players I listed plus a mid rotation, with 4 spots to fill at any time in the best 22(3 talls and 4 mediums for 7 forwards).
Owies, Ryan and Dewar plus the midfielder is 4.

We will be ok to lose Rawlinson and Cripps tbh
Jamieson would be my tip for first delisted out of all the players mentioned, but for arguments sake maybe he's just starting the pre-season on a modified program but is not actually injured and trains strongly and performs well in the Beagles in circumstances where lets say Brock isn't given the SSP spot and Gov/Edwards doesn't go perfectly. He could yet make a case for himself over Barnett or even Bazzo for that depth KPP spot.

Williams being traded, yeah I'm sure that would be popular with the board but he seems pretty happy here and is contracted for 2026 [signed on for 2 years in 2024 yeah?] and despite peoples wishful thinking about Flynn turning his career around and becoming a 23 game season first ruck or Jack Williams finishing this pre-season as the clear #1 tap ruckman at the club its more than likely Bailey holds the spot he's had no serious competition for in the last 3 seasons. He's also still a very young ruckman and I happen to believe is capable of actually improving as a player still.
I agree I dont want Bailey to be traded.
The club has been energised by the arrival of a new coach and the list strengthened by trade and draft and the stage seems set for players across the board to improve. I find it hard to believe that we end the season with 6 clear needs so far as delisting. I think we will struggle to make a case for 4, and that Noah Long could well be one of those in that conversation because he is not actually a genuine small forward [unlike Rawlinson] and would be a very long way back in so far as establishing himself as a mid in this side now. Tom Cole is one that could go either way, I can easily see him finding his jam with a new game plan or alternative just spending the whole year at the beagles as we explore other options in defence.

In order to bring in 6 new players for 2026, it's going to depend on us trading out at least 2 mature [likely best 22] players. And that comes from the likes of Allen, Williams, Kelly, Edwards as best 22 that clubs might be willing to pay something for, and Cole, Petch, Barnett on the fringe who clubs might just offer some late picks that we take just to open up a list spot.

We are likely a stronger list in 2026 is we aim to retain experience rather than get overly speculative with new 18 year olds. I'd personally be drawing the line at Banfield, having taken Rodreigez and Curtin in the first round. 3 high quality players in, for Cripps, Sheed, Jamo out. We are way better off with everyone else in the conversation just improving and earning themselves another contract.
Imo if Walley is in the top 40 areas we have to take him, he'd be a far better talent than Rawlinson.
 
The issue with dumping him for Walley is that Cripps retires this year. Champion isn't going to be ready in 2026 for the rigours of playing 23 afl games. Nor will Wes Walley be that as a first year player.

Loch Rawlinson will be in his 3rd year. Just don't see why you'd dump a 21 year old who's put in the work to get his body ready to play AFL football, who's settled in at the club, who's learnt the new system, and who still has elite speed and football ability. Who's only real knock as an 18 year old was he needed to put on size [the exact thing that's going to be holding back Champion and Walley] just to take another player who has similar characteristics but then needs 3 years in the system to be ready. That seems pretty dumb.
If Rawlinson had elite football ability he wouldnt have been a rookie selection.

We are already on about removing Cripps from out best 22 for 2025 anyway, we arguably have his replacement already in Owies, who gives us another 3-4 years to find a replacement. We dont need to be rushing to fill the gap with a young player just for the sake of it.
 
As some have pointed out, hes a free agent next year. If he has a career best year then any compo would have to be considered too. Imagine getting band 2 for him?

We have Owies, Ryan, Dewar and Champion who have no question marks on whether theyll be on the list for 2026 at this stage. Davis and Gross probably start their careers off half forward too, Hutchinson another option.
Then we will probably want to rotate Reid, Hewett, and Kelly into the forward line(1 of the 3 always forward).
Thats 7 players I listed plus a mid rotation, with 4 spots to fill at any time in the best 22(3 talls and 4 mediums for 7 forwards).
Owies, Ryan and Dewar plus the midfielder is 4.

We will be ok to lose Rawlinson and Cripps tbh

I agree I dont want Bailey to be traded.

Imo if Walley is in the top 40 areas we have to take him, he'd be a far better talent than Rawlinson.

Sorry, it's insufficient to say well we've got all these players are forwards so we don't need Rawlinson. None of them bar champion are actually proper small forwards, and Rawlinson is quicker than Champion. Saying Walley is s far better talent than Rawlinson based on one being projected as a pick around the 40's and the other sliding to pick 1 in the rookie draft is clearly a lazy analysis.

Rawlinson has elite speed, and is noted for also combining that with endurance. He has good hands, good foot skills and has been commended for having smarts and being clutch. We have almost no player on the list with his particular skillset, which seems basically a custom fit for the game Mini wants us to play. He's also not perma injured like our other 2 sub 2.9s speedsters. Absolutely wild that the board already wants him gone after one season, and without even seeing what happens this year have Wes Walley marked down as automatic replacement. Whats Walley's top speed? Whats his tank like? How likely is he to have the drive to turn himself into a 200 game player?
 
Cuts / retirements / trades coming up.

2025
Cripps
Petruccelle
Sheed
Rawlinson R
Jamieson

B Willims trade

There is 6 cuta for 2025

2026

Now that is starting to look challenging on who gets cut / traded.


Ryan
Brockman
Cole
Hunt

Livingston R
while its getting hard to delist, not offer contracts to players re 2026, I see that as a good point, means our list is much stronger and more depth.
WC need a decent ruck who is 204+ and physically ready for AFL, L Reidy FRE?
2025 delisting's/trades/retire
Jamieson
Cripps
Sheed
Petch
Rawlinson
Possible on the chopping block
Brockman: if doesn't improve on and off field, delist and pay
Flynn: if doesn't impact, delist and pay
Chesser: if doesn't have a big year, trade F2nd

2026 delisting's/trade/retire
Brockman: if still on list
Flynn: if still on list
Gov: retire
Barnett: if hasn't progressed
1 of Hunt/Hall or Livingstone?

2025 players in
Warner x 2
3 F/S & NGA
2 X draftees(first or 2nd round, Rodriguez/Curtin)
1 x Ruck ready to go
 
Sorry, it's insufficient to say well we've got all these players are forwards so we don't need Rawlinson. None of them bar champion are actually proper small forwards, and Rawlinson is quicker than Champion. Saying Walley is s far better talent than Rawlinson based on one being projected as a pick around the 40's and the other sliding to pick 1 in the rookie draft is clearly a lazy analysis.
I said IF Walley is rated around pick 40. Would that not be a fair assessment? A pick 40 vs a rookie selection?
Rawlinson has elite speed, and is noted for also combining that with endurance. He has good hands, good foot skills and has been commended for having smarts and being clutch.
Then why was he a rookie selection? They dont say any player has shit skills, "good" means fine.
We have almost no player on the list with his particular skillset, which seems basically a custom fit for the game Mini wants us to play. He's also not perma injured like our other 2 sub 2.9s speedsters. Absolutely wild that the board already wants him gone after one season, and without even seeing what happens this year have Wes Walley marked down as automatic replacement. Whats Walley's top speed? Whats his tank like? How likely is he to have the drive to turn himself into a 200 game player?
If hes shown the least by the end of the year then he has to go, we need list spots. We have at least Banfield and Walley coming in, plus 2 first round picks and an early 2nd rounder that might land before Banfield.
5 additions, if we get Warner x2 using 1 current pick and 1 future pick then we have 6 additions.
Someone has to go, who else are you removing?

We have to keep the list turning over, we dont have the luxury of giving every single player 5 years to find out what they are anymore. Some have had longer than others, but we have removed the dead wood for the most part, it just cant continue, we dont have that luxury anymore.

I dont know Walley personally, but even if he doesnt get to 200 games it doesnt matter, Rawlinson is less likely to.
 
Making difficult list calls is a good problem to have.

And if we trade in Warner and the NGA's at a discount next year we will start chasing quality picks no longer quantity.
Yep - Freo is a good example. They drafted quantity from 2016-2021, then started trading for the quality missing pieces (Jackson and Bolton).
 

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Rawlinson isn't clean off the ground, has shit kicking skills and struggles to kick past a guy 40m out on the mark.

He has decent hands and is very quick and provides good defensive pressure. He really has no other AFL level attributes.

Just of young players who can play forward/mid he's behind Long, Dewar, Hutch annd Hewett.

We also haven't had Owies play a game for the club yet who is proven AFL quality.

Then you have Ryan, Petch, Cripps and Kelly even FFS.

Even of young players who are forward or mid/forward we are still trying to bring Dewar into the side consistently, bring Long back and Owies needs a spot.

While he can play back and through the midfield Baker can play HFF as can Graham.

As it stands bar a further injury to Sheed's foot/ankle he is at the top of the delist pile. Sheed, Jamieson and Rawlinson are almost certain delistees this year. The first two due to repeated ongoing injury issues, not due to ability.
 
Making difficult list calls is a good problem to have.

And if we trade in Warner and the NGA's at a discount next year we will start chasing quality picks no longer quantity.
100% agree, 2025 is going to be another big year for the club!
Warner x2
F/S & NGA x 2 or 3
draft best talent x 2(Rodriguez, Curtin)
ruckman 204+ and ready to play, L Reidy
After 2025 list spots will be tight, good problem, do the Melbourne draft of last 2 years and use capital to pick top 10/first round talent of specific need in 26/27, draft less players with more top end!
 
Rawlinson isn't clean off the ground, has shit kicking skills and struggles to kick past a guy 40m out on the mark.

He has decent hands and is very quick and provides good defensive pressure. He really has no other AFL level attributes.

Just of young players who can play forward/mid he's behind Long, Dewar, Hutch annd Hewett.

We also haven't had Owies play a game for the club yet who is proven AFL quality.

Then you have Ryan, Petch, Cripps and Kelly even FFS.

Even of young players who are forward or mid/forward we are still trying to bring Dewar into the side consistently, bring Long back and Owies needs a spot.

While he can play back and through the midfield Baker can play HFF as can Graham.

As it stands bar a further injury to Sheed's foot/ankle he is at the top of the delist pile. Sheed, Jamieson and Rawlinson are almost certain delistees this year. The first two due to repeated ongoing injury issues, not due to ability.

Phil you are probably the main reason I bother reading any of these trade/draft threads so I'll accept you coming in here and give all these haters the ammo they need to put a line through Rawlinson. I still think that speed plus endurance is worth something and that none of the players named are true crumbing small forwards and that most of them bring average to crap defensive pressure. I like to back fringe players in and Rawlinson is my chosen smokey to surprise people this year.

Can you comment of Wes Walley and what it is that he brings that will make delisting a depth player ike Petch of Chesser a sound move for the club.
 
I said IF Walley is rated around pick 40. Would that not be a fair assessment? A pick 40 vs a rookie selection?

Then why was he a rookie selection? They dont say any player has shit skills, "good" means fine.

If hes shown the least by the end of the year then he has to go, we need list spots. We have at least Banfield and Walley coming in, plus 2 first round picks and an early 2nd rounder that might land before Banfield.
5 additions, if we get Warner x2 using 1 current pick and 1 future pick then we have 6 additions.
Someone has to go, who else are you removing?

We have to keep the list turning over, we dont have the luxury of giving every single player 5 years to find out what they are anymore. Some have had longer than others, but we have removed the dead wood for the most part, it just cant continue, we dont have that luxury anymore.

I dont know Walley personally, but even if he doesnt get to 200 games it doesnt matter, Rawlinson is less likely to.
100%
 
If we don't get Warner, we take our two first rounders to the draft, then pick up the three NGA f/s options if they are worth it, moving excess 2nd rounders that aren't needed into 2026.
He looks good, but that disposal has to be an issue. To be fair, his team mates wouldn't get into space a lot of the time.
 
Rawlinson looks like the reincarnation of Zac Langdon. Tries hard bit achieves little. Will be interesting to see how he goes in 2025.

I know that's how people see him, kinda odd though. To me they are nothing alike [except the bit about not being able to kick over a jam tin].

"Zac Langdon was drafted as a mature-age small forward out of the WAFL, playing for Claremont. He has huge endurance and showed enormous determination to make it on an AFL list. He has elite running and foot skills and is a highly-skilled player who pushes hard to impact up the ground as well as in the forward 50." From GWS.

Isn't the difference here all in speed. Rawlinson has it, countless others drafted to play a similar role didn't. Maybe he doesn't make it for any number of other reasons but he has that one elite trait and that's why he was drafted. At least if you can get to the ball first then you have the opportunity to stuff it up from there, as opposed to those who can't even do that.
 
Phil you are probably the main reason I bother reading any of these trade/draft threads so I'll accept you coming in here and give all these haters the ammo they need to put a line through Rawlinson. I still think that speed plus endurance is worth something and that none of the players named are true crumbing small forwards and that most of them bring average to crap defensive pressure. I like to back fringe players in and Rawlinson is my chosen smokey to surprise people this year.

Can you comment of Wes Walley and what it is that he brings that will make delisting a depth player ike Petch of Chesser a sound move for the club.

As of right now I wouldn't delist either of them for Walley or Evans. If Chesser has another poor season and can't establish himself at WAFL level then I would definitely consider delisting him. Petch particularly in the type of game style that Mini will try to play is either best 22 or close to it. He'd need to have a very poor year or a very injured one imo to be delisted.

I'm all for standing up for a fringe player and giving them a go, but for anyone other than the Beagles Rawlinson would be playing reserves. Yes Rawlinson is the youngest of the 2023 draft group, has elite speed and good endurance but he's the least talented guy on the list imo and it's not close.
 
Was just going to post similar - did the golf meet happen just before Horse announced his retirement and the following statement by Cox keeping Warner. You'd think it'd be done+dusted then, Warner stays with Swans, but then it is up to Warner, no? A squillion bucks a season? Seriously is he even that good or worth that sort of investment; surely there are similar types around on the gun scale, maybe not as top notch, but still improve our midfield and impact games. There is the Chad Perth connection though.
The Chad factor aside, get the feeling WCE is building as a destination club.

I just wish Warner was a FA. Then I dont care how much we pay him. Our penchant for getting guys a year or two before their free agency is annoying. Other clubs get freebies but we have to overpay in trades. Baker is a prime guy you should be able to get in FA but he came a year early and it cost us.
 
Rawlinson isn't clean off the ground, has shit kicking skills and struggles to kick past a guy 40m out on the mark.

He has decent hands and is very quick and provides good defensive pressure. He really has no other AFL level attributes.

Just of young players who can play forward/mid he's behind Long, Dewar, Hutch annd Hewett.

We also haven't had Owies play a game for the club yet who is proven AFL quality.

Then you have Ryan, Petch, Cripps and Kelly even FFS.

Even of young players who are forward or mid/forward we are still trying to bring Dewar into the side consistently, bring Long back and Owies needs a spot.

While he can play back and through the midfield Baker can play HFF as can Graham.

As it stands bar a further injury to Sheed's foot/ankle he is at the top of the delist pile. Sheed, Jamieson and Rawlinson are almost certain delistees this year. The first two due to repeated ongoing injury issues, not due to ability.
Hey Phil kudos on whatever roll you played in the draft night. (Yes I was sufficiently entertained)
Any insight on how high was the club on the NGAs for 2025 Highlights on Evans/Wally can only get so far. Obviously long way out but are we keen enough to cut the likes of Petch to get them in if it came to that?
 
I believe Rawlinson played mid in his juniors and it's only the club that's pigeoned him as a crumbing forward.

I think Wes Walley next year has more potential in this role so would be happy to get him in.

I'd really like to see Rawlinson played in the middle this year he has great speed and good skills and could be a good link up player.

The fatal flaw with Rawlinson is that he can barely kick 40m. It limits him both near goal and his ability to use the ball in transition. I struggle to see how he is still on our list.
 
Discussion reminds me of circa 2009/2011 Players like swift, houlihan, strijk, Stevenson had all shown a bit but ended up being cut.

To be a good team you need to cut players who are borderline, not keep them, otherwise you top out with a list clogged up with players that aren’t quite good enough to be good afl players.
 

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