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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[mattyc75]

I've been reading all the comments about elite kicking but for me it's winning the contest that counts.

It's those players like Harley Reid and Eliot Yeo that make the difference. Call it hard ball gets or contested footy, it's the ability to win the contest, one on one or one on two, that makes an elite midfielder.

That's what we need.

Yeah if we've got a team of very good kicks(or elite) but they're only getting it 13 times it's not ideal.
Ball pigs are rarely going to be elite kicks with the pressure theyre generally under

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[Dylan82]

Just on players with average kicks you can get away with it if you can break lines whether that is through pace or a combination of pace and a long penetrating kick.

Where you need an elite kick is against pressing sides when you're trapped in your defensive 50/60 metres and have a guy who can laser a 30-40m kick at a 45m angle to open up the game.

I do believe elite kicks are overrated however I'm firmly in the belief that you need 1 elite kick from your defensive 50, 1 from the midfield and one from the forward half. You can't run, carry and kick to break the lines every time and if your team becomes known for it you'll just end up with the opposition sitting a Tom Stewart/Sicily type 20-30 metres behind everyone else cleaning up those long kicks.

Yes fast break turnovers are a huge score source but if you only build from that perspective with average skills you're going to find the ball turned back over and going back over your players heads quicker than you were moving it.

Just on this, my teams are known for being high pressing, run through the corridor at-all-times to break lines in their approach. I love it when opposing teams try to do the above and deploy a specialist sweeper - I just tag them with the second ruck with the instruction to drag them to the goalsquare and put their knee into them a few times. The usual outcome is they [the sweeper] become a non-factor and our offensive efficiency goes up with many easy Joe-the-Goose goals.

Obviously, top tier is completely different to my level of involvement, but I never do understand why sweepers are continuously given so much latitude by opposition coaches.

 

[WCE_phil]

Just on this, my teams are known for being high pressing, run through the corridor at-all-times to break lines in their approach. I love it when opposing teams try to do the above and deploy a specialist sweeper - I just tag them with the second ruck with the instruction to drag them to the goalsquare and put their knee into them a few times. The usual outcome is they [the sweeper] become a non-factor and our offensive efficiency goes up with many easy Joe-the-Goose goals.

Obviously, top tier is completely different to my level of involvement, but I never do understand why sweepers are continuously given so much latitude by opposition coaches.

The sweepers aren't really given so much latitude by opposition coaches at the highest level it's just they are so much better than a second ruck. A coach against a high pressing side at the top level will cop a couple of goals getting out the back to a Key forward parked deep in the forward 50. A quality sweeper will stop more than gets through as long as there is enough pressure further up the ground. Much higher pressure and speed at the top level.

The hard pressing gameplan as long as you have a really fit side is basically perfect coaching even up to state leagues. The problem comes at the higher level particularly if it's your only party trick. Guys like Stewart and Sicily are able to do what they do not just by sitting further back off the contest but primarily because their side is putting enough frontal pressure on the opposition making those long kicks dump kicks that are easy to clean up.

You are 100% right though, if you can control the corridor, move the ball fast and get it out the back you will win a lot more than you lose. But if a team can slow you down and shut down your corridor use then you're ****ed.

 

[MrWoollie]

If Chad fletcher played for Brisbane, briztoon would list him as elite.

He was elite... at kicking it backwards.

To be fair, he had lots of practice. More than anyone from any team that I can think of.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I am sensing the board using some reverse psychology on Briskent giving him back the passive aggressive and pretending he’s on our side?

 

[FKASC]

Good kick/elite kick/very good kick/Ebert streaming forward kick I'm getting flashbacks to the distinction between inside mid/inside bull/ball pig/hand gorilla/outside ocelot odyssey

Not quite an A grade post but definitely verging on B+/A- grade

 

[Boohemian]

How much longer can we debate the completely subjective nuance of whether a player is a very good, great or elite kick

 

[Obeanie1]

How much longer can we debate the completely subjective nuance of whether a player is a very good, great or elite kick

What sort of kick is Dangerfield?

 

[We_The_West]

How much longer can we debate the completely subjective nuance of whether a player is a very good, great or elite kick

Firstly, we should assign and agree on definitions for the above categories.
Once those definitions are set, likely based on kicking efficiency stat's... I'm sure we could drag this out until the new year.

I'd be curious to know which category Malakai Champion falls into and possibly Wes Walley... 2 possible "elite" kicks in our future forward line?

 

[We_The_West]

What sort of kick is Dangerfield?

Sh*t kicker

 

[briztoon]

Sh*t kicker

Designated ALFPA sh!t kicker.

 

[BSD]

If Chad fletcher played for Brisbane, briztoon would list him as elite.

They would also have ranked "The Mastenator" elite as well. He was really good at hitting the ground in front of his target
or kicking it over their heads

 

[Happy Mastenator]

They would also have ranked "The Mastenator" elite as well. He was really good at hitting the ground in front of his target
or kicking it over their heads

Don't you dare take out lord and saviour's name in vain!

He'll come round and train your house the **** down if you don't show some respect.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

What sort of kick is Dangerfield?

Effective rather than elite.

The sheer meters gained and moving the ball forward at speed is undeniable.

 

[WCE_phil]

Just my opinion Brisbane have Coleman, Zorko and McLuggage as elite kicks. Then they have another 4-5 very good kicks with one of those in Fletcher having the ability to become an elite kick. I mean if Doedee could actually get on the park they'd have another very good kick.

What they do have however is overall they have very good kicking skills as a team.

On our list Gov and Maric are very good kicks with Ryan being an elite field kick (but not an elite kick at goal) and Dewar having an elite kicking action who probably just needs a bit more time to get up to pace and used to AFL level as an elite kick. Reid is a very good kick when he has space and isn't rushed (so once he has the endurance and 1-2 more years under his belt) will end up being very close to an elite kick and Hewett before his foot woes was also very good but not elite. Johnston is also a very good kick and may become an elite kick with a few more years experience.

The club is building a very athletic, fast, top marking, powerful side with clean hands from what we've drafted but we could definitely use more ball pig possession winners and some more higher quality kicking skills. Luckily some of our guys who are just average kicks at AFL level (Yeo, Allan, Ginbey) all have great depth in their kicking which I think is underrated. If you have guys who are great runners, clean off the ground and great marks those guys with true elite depth on their kicking break zones as well.

What we do have in Waterman, Jack Williams and Shanahan is 3 talls who are elite kicks on goal with Oscar Allen being very good as well. Thankfully we haven't drafted Hipwood/McKay types who are shit kicks on goal. You want your marking forwards to be great shots on goal to be able to finish off the hard work. Unfortunately we have guys like Bailey Williams and Livingstone on the opposite end of the spectrum where they are genuinely shit finishers.

 

[ghostbat12]

How much longer can we debate the completely subjective nuance of whether a player is a very good, great or elite kick

In most people’s minds, not being elite means turnovers. Vs simply kicking it to contest.

Now kicking vs decision making. That is a nuance not discussed.

 

[Obeanie1]

Effective rather than elite.

The sheer meters gained and moving the ball forward at speed is undeniable.

As is the number of times he turns the ball over by foot.

Danger is a great example of elite players who do not have an elite kicking game.

 

[Obeanie1]

In most people’s minds, not being elite means turnovers. Vs simply kicking it to contest.

Now kicking vs decision making. That is a nuance not discussed.

Decision making and poise are criminally underrated.

Darren Glass wasn't a great kick by any stretch. But he learned to play within his limitations and make good decisions.

Obviously as a gorilla full back that's ok.

Mids do need to kick much more and make the play. Same applies though. A mid with an above average kick can look elite if they make good decisions and play with poise.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

How much longer can we debate the completely subjective nuance of whether a player is a very good, great or elite kick

Rough estimate, I’d say for about the next 3 months.

 

[KERRPOW]

What we do have in Waterman, Jack Williams and Shanahan is 3 talls who are elite kicks on goal with Oscar Allen being very good as well. Thankfully we haven't drafted Hipwood/McKay types who are shit kicks on goal. You want your marking forwards to be great shots on goal to be able to finish off the hard work. Unfortunately we have guys like Bailey Williams and Livingstone on the opposite end of the spectrum where they are genuinely shit finishers.

If B.Williams isnt the main ruck, then he should not be in the team full stop.

His goal kicking is dogshit.

 

[Monocle]

His goal kicking is dogshit.

Hard to argue against that.

 

[woosha24]

As is the number of times he turns the ball over by foot.

Danger is a great example of elite players who do not have an elite kicking game.

Fyfe comes to mind. Superstar in his prime, shyte kick (especially for goals).

Hell, put Matt Priddis in that group too. I always said to my work colleagues that he was a great footballer so long as you didnt ask him to actually kick the ball.

 

[ghostbat12]

Decision making and poise are criminally underrated.

Darren Glass wasn't a great kick by any stretch. But he learned to play within his limitations and make good decisions.

Obviously as a gorilla full back that's ok.

Mids do need to kick much more and make the play. Same applies though. A mid with an above average kick can look elite if they make good decisions and play with poise.

It was bound to happen. Glass to midfield.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Owies will probably be first choice but it's not like we used a halfway decent pick for him so yeah it would be entirely possible he was traded in to be a small forward option not our cyril

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Really shouldn’t matter what pick we used, but he’s kicked 60 goals in his last two seasons and he’s in the prime of his career.

Cripps kicked 27 last year which is decent but other than that, do we want to keep running the same spuds that have kept us to SFA wins?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Really shouldn’t matter what pick we used, but he’s kicked 60 goals in his last two seasons and he’s in the prime of his career.

Cripps kicked 27 last year which is decent but other than that, do we want to keep running the same spuds that have kept us to SFA wins?

Cripps isn't a small crumbing forward like Owies either. Cripps best work is getting up the ground, not at the feet of the talls.

Haven't had a small crumbing forward of any note since Rioli.