List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[WCE777]

Other players will go before Livingstone and Bazzo.

Two positions of need.

Other players will request trades. Players on the fringe or being pressured by our future focus will move to extend their career earnings. Sheed retires. Petroccelle moves. Maybe rhe surprise move next year is Tom Cole. Or a Baikey Williams. One of the young talls. I wouldnt be surprised if Kelly chased a bigger longer contract.

We trade in Warner using one 2025 1st and a future 1st.

Leaves us with 4 to 5 live picks in 2025.plus Warner.

Delist, retire or traded / FA.

Sheed
Petroccelle
Cripps
Jamieson
Hunt is another who will need to make way for the future at some point

A player is poached and sks to be traded. Oone of Cole, Kelly, B Williams or one of the young talls.

Rawlingson would need to keep improving.
Brockman IMO is on notice.
Chesset to an extent also.

Gov will be 34 in 2025 as well.

That is 8 to 9 players who I would consider cutting before two developing talls in positions of need who are developing at an acceptable rate and showing progress.. (Which they need to continue proving in 2025)

Fair enough, but unless Chesser and Bazzo improve after 4 years in the system they will struggle to get a contract, Bazzo more likely to receive a short term one than Chesser as defensive stocks are a weakness.
But 5 players are relatively easy to determine future.
Delist/retire:
Sheed
Cripps- if has a deent year he could earn a 1 year contract
Jamieson
Rawlinson
Livingstone- probably unlucky but if need list spots he is behind several ruck/fwd players on the list
Chesser- if has another year of no progression will be traded.
Petch- trade
Brockman- on notice to improve, has 2 years left on contract

 

[WCE777]

Agree with this but after the players you have listed (Sheed, Petch, Cripps, Jamo, maybe Hunt plus Rawlinson), Livingstone is next IMO. Will depend on how many picks we plan on using but I think we’ll see another year of big list turnover.

If Flynn proves he can stay on the park I’d love to trade B Williams and for me Brockman is very much a Zac Langdon candidate.

100%

 

[Keys]

All these young players need to do is improve.

Can't really afford to be going backwards at AFL level as a fringey 'add on/cat B' player or you'll be shifted.

Provided Livingstone builds on his first year, i'm sure he'll be fine. Likewise Bazzo, who really hasn't got a high bar going into 2025 so that should hopefully be pretty straightforward. Hutchinson is another one. If he remains at the same level after 2025 he's probably going to be shown the door. If he keeps developing and builds into his AFL career, even providing good games in the WAFL as depth, that should be enough.

Chesser needs to do something. That's also pretty obvious. Brander only got 4 seasons and there's a few similarities there regarding where they were taken in the draft, no set role, haven't established themselves, not consistent etc. Brander was also a tall as well so you'd think that would've bought him even more leeway.




Sheed, Petrucelle, Jamieson on the other hand have had plenty of years in the system and would need something pretty special to justify continuing their AFL careers. We've still got plenty of axe candidates.

First day of the year and you’ve already posted your one insightful post of the year

Might as well delete your account now

 

[ArdentEagle]

HNY you beautiful Kents!

 

[ArdentEagle]

Cole - Am I missing something with him?

He'd be on my shortlist to trade/cut, along with some of the other mentioned already.

Simply just trying isn't enough.

 

[eaglevision]

Cole - Am I missing something with him?

He'd be on my shortlist to trade/cut, along with some of the other mentioned already.

Simply just trying isn't enough.

He’s next on my list but also has had a rough trot with injury. Given it’s a contract year he should be nervous. Would love a band 3 offer for him but that’s wishful thinking. Band 4 for him or Petch for matching our FS/NGAs would be almost worthless after bids, unless one of our kids is bid on in the early 20s before the picks blow out.

 

[Astro7]

Cole - Am I missing something with him?

He'd be on my shortlist to trade/cut, along with some of the other mentioned already.

Simply just trying isn't enough.

Yep, interested to see how he performs amongst this new group and new game style - will he be found out or will he adapt? The pressure to perform is all good of course.

 

[TheBudgies]

Yep, interested to see how he performs amongst this new group and new game style - will he be found out or will he adapt? The pressure to perform is all good of course.

Pretty sure Gov and Hurn speak highly of him. Said he was important in lots of the stuff happening off the ball with set ups etc.

 

[WCE777]

Pretty sure Gov and Hurn speak highly of him. Said he was important in lots of the stuff happening off the ball with set ups etc.

100%, all WC backs speak highly of Cole.
Needs to be there until young players surpass, he would be on an average wage and I would back him to be best 23 for the foreseeable future.

 

[TheBudgies]

100%, all WC backs speak highly of Cole.
Needs to be there until young players surpass, he would be on an average wage and I would back him to be best 23 for the foreseeable future.

Problem is its so hard to measure the 'other stuff' that goes into selection. He had some poor showing at times last year so he'd need to get some of his own contested game sorted. Mini sounds very team as a total focused not concerned with individual stats. I liked some of the stuff Cole did when he played up the ground a little.

 

[WCE777]

Problem is its so hard to measure the 'other stuff' that goes into selection. He had some poor showing at times last year so he'd need to get some of his own contested game sorted. Mini sounds very team as a total focused not concerned with individual stats. I liked some of the stuff Cole did when he played up the ground a little.

simplest way to measure other stuff is he gets selected every week!
No player has 100% good games.
Looked good up the ground, more speed than most would credit.

 

[Dark Sharks]

First day of the year and you’ve already posted your one insightful post of the year

Might as well delete your account now

 

[mattyc75]

Yep, interested to see how he performs amongst this new group and new game style - will he be found out or will he adapt? The pressure to perform is all good of course.

Tbh cole should adapt much more easily than 90% of the Simpson era players.
He was literally the only small/medium backman to take the game on at all and not kick backwards all the time .
Surprised Simpson didn't sack him

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[Godfather32]

Tbh cole should adapt much more easily than 90% of the Simpson era players.
He was literally the only small/medium backman to take the game on at all and not kick backwards all the time .
Surprised Simpson didn't sack him

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I've been saying for years Cole should have been moved further up the ground, he's got a massive tank and he looks good delivering the ball into our forward line.

 

[Grahame]

Problem is its so hard for us to measure the 'other stuff' that goes into selection. He had some poor showing at times last year so he'd need to get some of his own contested game sorted. Mini sounds very team as a total focused not concerned with individual stats. I liked some of the stuff Cole did when he played up the ground a little.

I’ve added to your post (in bold). On this board almost all of us have no special insights, so it’s basically guesswork. But as someone points out - the MC, up to now at least, just keep selecting Cole. So they must consider the ‘other stuff’ as substantial.

But great we’re finally in a position to have selection discussions. Discussions which might be even be a bit contradictory yet still contain an element of credibility.

 

[WCE777]

I’ve added to your post (in bold). On this board almost all of us have no special insights, so it’s basically guesswork. But as someone points out - the MC, up to now at least, just keep selecting Cole. So they must consider the ‘other stuff’ as substantial.

But great we’re finally in a position to have selection discussions. Discussions which might be even be a bit contradictory yet still contain an element of credibility.

100%

 

[ArdentEagle]

I’ve added to your post (in bold). On this board almost all of us have no special insights, so it’s basically guesswork. But as someone points out - the MC, up to now at least, just keep selecting Cole. So they must consider the ‘other stuff’ as substantial.

But great we’re finally in a position to have selection discussions. Discussions which might be even be a bit contradictory yet still contain an element of credibility.

I think we're now at the point that'll need to be more than just "intangibles" and trying...Which is the way it should be, great to see the list finally evolving.

 

[WCErevival]

Wasn't Cole supposed to be rated highly for some random stat like closing speed or defensive pressure? Something along those lines. It was mentioned by someone last year.

 

[Obeanie1]

Fair enough, but unless Chesser and Bazzo improve after 4 years in the system they will struggle to get a contract, Bazzo more likely to receive a short term one than Chesser as defensive stocks are a weakness.
But 5 players are relatively easy to determine future.
Delist/retire:
Sheed
Cripps- if has a deent year he could earn a 1 year contract
Jamieson
Rawlinson
Livingstone- probably unlucky but if need list spots he is behind several ruck/fwd players on the list
Chesser- if has another year of no progression will be traded.
Petch- trade
Brockman- on notice to improve, has 2 years left on contract

Langdon was let go under contract two trade periods ago,

 

[WCE777]

Langdon was let go under contract tw trade periods ago,

your right.
Not that I am one for not fulfilling contracts but if WC are to improve their list over the 2025-27 period they will need to be a bit ruthless with some of the players not performing.
Apart from the names mentioned, Flynn, Chesser, Brockman are on watch in 2025.
WC desperately need quality players in the 22-26yo bracket who are best 22.
C Warner, Cory could be a Petch/Brockman type replacement at basement price in deal.
2025 list of targets that would fit that profile McVee, Farrell RFA, Blight.
2026 Sparrow RFA, Busslinger, D Curtin, H Smith(Bri)ruck, Reidy, Rivers(pre/RFA).
Players of this quality would be in the conversation?

 

[Astro7]

Wasn't Cole supposed to be rated highly for some random stat like closing speed or defensive pressure? Something along those lines. It was mentioned by someone last year.

Don't know, but I remember he used to get slammed a lot on here, like Cripps et al...

 

[Avalor]

Went on to have a great career elsewhere so I guess he had the last laugh

Oh wait

This is actually true. Brander is starring in the NTFL for Southern Districts.

Went on to have a great career elsewhere so I guess he had the last laugh

Oh wait

This is actually true. Brander is starring in the NTFL for Southern Districts. Playing at FF.
I think he was always a slow burn.

 

[Obeanie1]

your right.
Not that I am one for not fulfilling contracts but if WC are to improve their list over the 2025-27 period they will need to be a bit ruthless with some of the players not performing.
Apart from the names mentioned, Flynn, Chesser, Brockman are on watch in 2025.
WC desperately need quality players in the 22-26yo bracket who are best 22.
C Warner, Cory could be a Petch/Brockman type replacement at basement price in deal.
2025 list of targets that would fit that profile McVee, Farrell RFA, Blight.
2026 Sparrow RFA, Busslinger, D Curtin, H Smith(Bri)ruck, Reidy, Rivers(pre/RFA).
Players of this quality would be in the conversation?

And there will be surprises.

How many years will Ryan play? He allegedly looked at Qld as an option last trade period.

Will one of the kids from Vic get lured home?

Barnett to SA?

I wouldnt mind Kelly to be caught up in the Warner trade to limit our draft cost in landing him.

 

[boondy]

This is actually true. Brander is starring in the NTFL for Southern Districts.

This is actually true. Brander is starring in the NTFL for Southern Districts. Playing at FF.
I think he was always a slow burn.

Played 2024 in Sunraysia Mildura football league north west victoria , kicking 68 goals

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Very interesting thread

Sydney wont be willing to accept Hawks R1 + Eagles F1 for Warner
the eagles 1st rounder will 100% be demanded and will be included with something ontop

Gun mid in his prime with 8 / 9 years left
Top 5 pick + change every day of the week

How much more than Toranto is warner worth ?

Toranto was 12 + 19 .

But your say we should be give up a pick 3-5 + more ?

How much more is warner worth than a heavily contracted Bolton 10 + 11 + 18 for Bolton + 14 + f3(37) ?