List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I believe Warner is a significantly better player than Taranto.

Warner is faster, a better kick, and a better goal scorer. Taranto is better at winning the ball at the coal face, but doesn’t have Warners pace through the contest.

In purely structural terms, Warner should have more value to a team than Bolton.

Bolton is a very good player, but he benefits more from other players hard work.

Problem is warner is being compared to taranto now after 2 seasons of injuries and playing for Richmond falling off a cliff . Taranto also getting all the attention for the opposition now too .

2 years ago every vic team was throwing the cheque book at him because he was a gun at GWS

I doubt warner will be looking as good in 2 years playing for west coast compared to playing for Sydney where he is probably the 3rd best mid behind heeney and gulden.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Hopefully I’m pleasantly surprised, but I don’t think I will be.

I don't think we will too . I expect to highly over pay for warner because we have NFI how to negotiate

 

[WCE_phil]

Taranto was a genuine star player before leaving GWS. I think people forget how good he was.

He came back well after the major injuries of 2020 in 2021 after being an absolute star in 2019 but each successive injury and comeback he has been less effective.

If Warner has a more average year his trade value is significantly lower. Sydney were best off trading him this year if he leaves. Take out his real poor round 19-20 games and he had an absolute monster year this year.

 

[stallon]

I'm just going to say. Had we picked up Sid Draper we wouldn't have to be stressing about picking Fred Rodriguez.

We could be putting Fred R in the rear view mirror.

But a known quantity in chad warner is always better then unknown

Draper and Freddy are different players, we would still be looking for that elite disposal through the middle with Draper

 

[We_The_West]

As I have said before I would rather use Baker and hough for more attacking jobs, ginbey and bo Allen play bigger not smaller , cole is perfect for sacrificing his game to stop others

I agree with the majority of what you're saying, but I just don't think he really stops the opposition's small forwards.

I also think he's probably reached his ceiling, and the opportunity cost of giving games to Cole ahead of our higher rated youth is too high.

 

[briztoon]

Problem is warner is being compared to taranto now after 2 seasons of injuries and playing for Richmond falling off a cliff . Taranto also getting all the attention for the opposition now too .

2 years ago every vic team was throwing the cheque book at him because he was a gun at GWS

I doubt warner will be looking as good in 2 years playing for west coast compared to playing for Sydney where he is probably the 3rd best mid behind heeney and gulden.

Hopper has always been the better player, but he is always injured. We had that discussion on our board two years ago, when both looked liked moving.

Two years ago, teams were throwing money at Taranto because he was available. And he’s still a best 22 mid at any club, he’s just not suited to being the number one (or two) mid.

I’m not sure Warner really is the type of player West Coast should be going after, but that’s a different discussion.

 

[We_The_West]

There's a lot to play out in the Warner scenario, and we need to keep in mind Sydney will have a greater list management strategy with the changes to the draft points system and their 3 possible first round academy players; Max King, Lachlan Carmichael and Noah Chamberlain.

It's going to be harder to land all 3 with the rule changes so I don't think the Swans will be interested in our 2026 1st rounder.

If Max King is rated top 10 and Hawks finish top 8, then I don't think Hawk's 1st will be enough as it will just get swallowed up in a bid.

Stars of the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2025

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I see the Swans wanting to get access to our 1st pick (~top 5) and use that on the best key position talent, before a bid comes in for their academy players.

Depending how Freddie's season goes and where he is rated, he may not be projected top 10, similarly to Curtin.

Would we send our 1st (1-5) and 2nd (19-24) to the Swans for Warner and their 1st (13-18)?

Swans get a top 5 talent and still get their academy player with WC keeping 2 first round picks.

 

[We_The_West]

It will be interesting to see how the Kozzie Pickett situation plays out this year as well - I know some Freo insiders who believed he was very close to requesting a trade at the end of last season, and had Bolton picked the Eagles then he may have pursued it. If WC become more competitive and look to have a bright future then we may be able to target Kozzie.

Getting in Warner and/or Kozzie would add significant value, and there's a strong argument to using picks to trade for known quantities rather than gamble on young talent.

Given our young demographic and the possibility that we may lose/delist players such as Cripps, Sheed, Petch, Cole, BWilliams etc the list management team may want to bring in more experienced players. We also know from the Coby Burgiel case that some of our 2021-2023 draftees will probably be delisted.

Looking at the players OOC in 2025-26, the list of established KPDs to target for FA or trade is quite grim... there's some developing types such as Jacob Blight (2025) and Busslinger (2026) and speccy types such as Zach Reid (2025).

I really hope Barnett can make one of the KPD roles his own this season as the KPD roles seem to be our highest need looking at the list for the next few years.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Hopper has always been the better player, but he is always injured. We had that discussion on our board two years ago, when both looked liked moving.

Two years ago, teams were throwing money at Taranto because he was available. And he’s still a best 22 mid at any club, he’s just not suited to being the number one (or two) mid.

I’m not sure Warner really is the type of player West Coast should be going after, but that’s a different discussion.

Hopper has never been better than Taranto.

Though the “well actually” contrarian take is to be expected I guess.

 

[stallon]

There's a lot to play out in the Warner scenario, and we need to keep in mind Sydney will have a greater list management strategy with the changes to the draft points system and their 3 possible first round academy players; Max King, Lachlan Carmichael and Noah Chamberlain.

It's going to be harder to land all 3 with the rule changes so I don't think the Swans will be interested in our 2026 1st rounder.

If Max King is rated top 10 and Hawks finish top 8, then I don't think Hawk's 1st will be enough as it will just get swallowed up in a bid.

Stars of the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2025

Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects for the 2025 Telstra AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

I see the Swans wanting to get access to our 1st pick (~top 5) and use that on the best key position talent, before a bid comes in for their academy players.

I dont see how how where the Swans academy kids project to be has anything to do with us.
If we tell the Swans that our 1st pick is off the table then its off the table, theyll have to make do with whatever else we have. Not our problem if it doesnt suit the Swans list management strategy perfectly

Depending how Freddie's season goes and where he is rated, he may not be projected top 10, similarly to Curtin.

Would we send our 1st (1-5) and 2nd (19-24) to the Swans for Warner and their 1st (13-18)?

I think this is about fair, but at the same time we have no reason to be giving up a top 5 pick when we have 3 other first round picks available

Swans get a top 5 talent and still get their academy player with WC keeping 2 first round picks.

 

[stallon]

It will be interesting to see how the Kozzie Pickett situation plays out this year as well - I know some Freo insiders who believed he was very close to requesting a trade at the end of last season, and had Bolton picked the Eagles then he may have pursued it. If WC become more competitive and look to have a bright future then we may be able to target Kozzie.

Getting in Warner and/or Kozzie would add significant value, and there's a strong argument to using picks to trade for known quantities rather than gamble on young talent.

Given our young demographic and the possibility that we may lose/delist players such as Cripps, Sheed, Petch, Cole, BWilliams etc the list management team may want to bring in more experienced players. We also know from the Coby Burgiel case that some of our 2021-2023 draftees will probably be delisted.

Looking at the players OOC in 2025-26, the list of established KPDs to target for FA or trade is quite grim... there's some developing types such as Jacob Blight (2025) and Busslinger (2026) and speccy types such as Zach Reid (2025).

I really hope Barnett can make one of the KPD roles his own this season as the KPD roles seem to be our highest need looking at the list for the next few years.

If we got Warner AND Kozzy then id fully support going all in with trading picks including that first pick that I didnt want to use in my other comment just above.
Putting us into genuine finals contention as of 2026 with 2 A-graders added is more far valuable than multiple first rounders.

 

[We_The_West]

Hopper has never been better than Taranto.

They are similar types of players but yes I would agree that Taranto is the better player.

 

[Dylan82]

Hopper has always been the better player, but he is always injured. We had that discussion on our board two years ago, when both looked liked moving.

Two years ago, teams were throwing money at Taranto because he was available. And he’s still a best 22 mid at any club, he’s just not suited to being the number one (or two) mid.

I’m not sure Warner really is the type of player West Coast should be going after, but that’s a different discussion.

J.Hopper and T.Taranto are the 2020s version of M.Priddis and T.Rockliff types.

Stoppage extractors that cannot do damage by foot and get beaten for pace by opponents the other way.


A good team may be able to get away with carrying one such player - hence GWS with a superior version in T.Green were happy to depart with the pair of them.

One of Richmond's biggest problems in 2024 was [along with D.Prestia] having three of these types as their main three midfielders, leading to terrible efficiency by foot and next to no defence against opposition spread.

Both [J.Hopper and T.Taranto] are contracted at the Tigers until 2029, so that albatross of their own creation still has a lot of time to play out yet.



As for Ch.Warner - he's arguably the best winger in the competition, gets his own ball, has pace and impacts the scoreboard. This year he was one of only three players in the competition (along with N.Daicos and E.Gulden) to average 450+ metres gained, 5+ inside 50s and 7+ score involvements per game.

West Coast have no effective wings, and as a result have languished at the bottom of the pile when it comes to moving the ball forward. Ch.Warner's attributes are perfect for providing an area of desperate need for the Eagles.

Combined with his age (turning 24 this year), contract (expiring at season end) and origin (WA), he is without question the no.1 target on the club's list.

As for what he may cost to bring in, that's another matter (which will largely be dictated by where Hawthorn end up finishing this year) - but you're advocating that West Coast shouldn't be chasing him at all in the first place, which just erodes what slim credibility you have even further.

 

[briztoon]

Hopper has never been better than Taranto.

Though the “well actually” contrarian take is to be expected I guess.

That was the discussion on our board two years ago. Our version of Keys is a mod on both the Lions and GWS board as he lives in Sydney, and he’s very much of the opinion that Hopper is the better inside mid, if he could stay healthy.

 

[briztoon]

J.Hopper and T.Taranto are the 2020s version of M.Priddis and T.Rockliff types.

Stoppage extractors that cannot do damage by foot and get beaten for pace by opponents the other way.


A good team may be able to get away with carrying one such player - hence GWS with a superior version in T.Green were happy to depart with the pair of them.

One of Richmond's biggest problems in 2024 was [along with D.Prestia] having three of these types as their main three midfielders, leading to terrible efficiency by foot and next to no defence against opposition spread.

Both [J.Hopper and T.Taranto] are contracted at the Tigers until 2029, so that albatross of their own creation still has a lot of time to play out yet.



As for Ch.Warner - he's arguably the best winger in the competition, gets his own ball, has pace and impacts the scoreboard. This year he was one of only three players in the competition (along with N.Daicos and E.Gulden) to average 450+ metres gained, 5+ inside 50s and 7+ score involvements per game.

West Coast have no effective wings, and as a result have languished at the bottom of the pile when it comes to moving the ball forward. Ch.Warner's attributes are perfect for providing an area of desperate need for the Eagles.

Combined with his age (turning 24 this year), contract (expiring at season end) and origin (WA), he is without question the no.1 target on the club's list.

As for what he may cost to bring in, that's another matter (which will largely be dictated by where Hawthorn end up finishing this year) - but you're advocating that West Coast shouldn't be chasing him at all in the first place, which just erodes what slim credibility you have even further.

I’m not advocating anything, nor do I believe Warner is a wing.

My thought last night was how would Warner and Reid combine, if they are at their best playing the same role.

Right now, I see a Tom Green or Clayton Oliver (minus the off field sh!t) type as West Coast’s biggest midfield need.

 

[WCE777]

If we got Warner AND Kozzy then id fully support going all in with trading picks including that first pick that I didnt want to use in my other comment just above.
Putting us into genuine finals contention as of 2026 with 2 A-graders added is more far valuable than multiple first rounders.

I am of the opinion that using picks for proven commodities is the best investment a club can make if you can pull it off for the right players.
Even 1st round picks have only a 65% chance of becoming 150 game players, roughly.
Right players, age, profile, list needs are a good investment.
As mentioned in a previous post if at the end of 2025 Kelly wants the same contract and 2 years I would be doing my due diligence on Rivers also who fits a list need and let Kelly walk for draft picks.
Kelly is a serviceable soldier but wont be in next finals side, Kozzy and Rivers would be.

 

[random260]

Draper and Freddy are different players, we would still be looking for that elite disposal through the middle with Draper

Elite disposal mids are overrated. Handballing wise they are probably equal.

Yes Freddie has Elite kicking. But you don't need to be an elite kick mid in the modern game. You just need to be able to kick like elliot yeo.

The days of stopping, propping and pierce kicking from the middle are over.

The game is too fast to be able to let the elite midfielder use their elite skills.

You can't be a shit kick. Sadly we have alot of shit kickers

 

[WCE_phil]

Look if we could trade in Warner and Kossie I'd be all in. Hawks first, both second rounders, 2026 and 2027 firsts.

Would then assuming we finish bottom couple hopefully after a great year leave us with Sharp for our first rounder to finish the midfield and all we are looking for are a serviceable ruck and 1 strong key defender. Could genuinely challenge in 2027/2028 then.

Reid, Sharp, Hewett as top line young mids, Warner taking swings in there whilst providing run, carry and goals as well as the pure silk of Kossie....

Too good to be true.

 

[boondy]

Warner reminds me of Judd

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Hopper has always been the better player, but he is always injured. We had that discussion on our board two years ago, when both looked liked moving.

Two years ago, teams were throwing money at Taranto because he was available. And he’s still a best 22 mid at any club, he’s just not suited to being the number one (or two) mid.

I’m not sure Warner really is the type of player West Coast should be going after, but that’s a different discussion.

A new year but same old - the Kent is still passive aggressive. I guess a number of us will continue to stay away

 

[Happy Mastenator]

That was the discussion on our board two years ago. Our version of Keys is a mod on both the Lions and GWS board as he lives in Sydney, and he’s very much of the opinion that Hopper is the better inside mid, if he could stay healthy.

good for your board. It was wrong 2 years ago and it’s wrong now.

Don’t really give a shit about your moderator either.

I live in Sydney and have been a gws member since their foundation. Though being a moderator on a fairly dead board is first class.

 

[Obeanie1]

J.Hopper and T.Taranto are the 2020s version of M.Priddis and T.Rockliff types.

Stoppage extractors that cannot do damage by foot and get beaten for pace by opponents the other way.


A good team may be able to get away with carrying one such player - hence GWS with a superior version in T.Green were happy to depart with the pair of them.

One of Richmond's biggest problems in 2024 was [along with D.Prestia] having three of these types as their main three midfielders, leading to terrible efficiency by foot and next to no defence against opposition spread.

Both [J.Hopper and T.Taranto] are contracted at the Tigers until 2029, so that albatross of their own creation still has a lot of time to play out yet.



As for Ch.Warner - he's arguably the best winger in the competition, gets his own ball, has pace and impacts the scoreboard. This year he was one of only three players in the competition (along with N.Daicos and E.Gulden) to average 450+ metres gained, 5+ inside 50s and 7+ score involvements per game.

West Coast have no effective wings, and as a result have languished at the bottom of the pile when it comes to moving the ball forward. Ch.Warner's attributes are perfect for providing an area of desperate need for the Eagles.

Combined with his age (turning 24 this year), contract (expiring at season end) and origin (WA), he is without question the no.1 target on the club's list.

As for what he may cost to bring in, that's another matter (which will largely be dictated by where Hawthorn end up finishing this year) - but you're advocating that West Coast shouldn't be chasing him at all in the first place, which just erodes what slim credibility you have even further.

Briz doesnt want decent players being traded to the Eagles.

It makes his opinion of 10 plus years rebuilding via the draft look like what it is. Not terribly well thought through. Especially when his team just won a flag after trading in Neale, Daniher , Dunkley, Fort, Ahchee, Cameron and many others along the journey.

 

[briztoon]

Briz doesnt want decent players being traded to the Eagles.

It makes his opinion of 10 plus years rebuilding via the draft look like what it is. Not terribly well thought through. Especially when his team just won a flag after trading in Neale, Daniher , Dunkley, Fort, Ahchee, Cameron and many others along the journey.

I'm happy for you to get whoever you get, whichever way you get them. Draft, trade, free agency. I'm simply interested to see how it pans out.

 

[stallon]

I am of the opinion that using picks for proven commodities is the best investment a club can make if you can pull it off for the right players.
Even 1st round picks have only a 65% chance of becoming 150 game players, roughly.
Right players, age, profile, list needs are a good investment.
As mentioned in a previous post if at the end of 2025 Kelly wants the same contract and 2 years I would be doing my due diligence on Rivers also who fits a list need and let Kelly walk for draft picks.
Kelly is a serviceable soldier but wont be in next finals side, Kozzy and Rivers would be.

Yes using picks for proven talent is not a bad thing at all, but using a top 5 pick when we dont have to is silly, if we were to only get Warner for example.

 

[stallon]

Elite disposal mids are overrated. Handballing wise they are probably equal.

Yes Freddie has Elite kicking. But you don't need to be an elite kick mid in the modern game. You just need to be able to kick like elliot yeo.

The days of stopping, propping and pierce kicking from the middle are over.

The game is too fast to be able to let the elite midfielder use their elite skills.

You can't be a shit kick. Sadly we have alot of shit kickers

I do agree, but we probably need a couple of those elite kicks in the side, doessnt have to be in the middle though.

I think a player like Freddy fits us better than a guy like Warner tbh, assuming Reid stays and Hewett goes alright this year