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Isn't Willem Duursma a defender and is rated as a top 5 pick in the next draft ?
If we can't get Warner then Duursma should be our first pick. We have got plenty of forwards but we lack good defenders.
Believe he’s more a utility that really has to show he can nail down a position.

Not true KPP height (yet, he may have grown over the summer).
 
What did you guys give up for dunkley ?

Pick 5/6 + a late 1st early 2nd is double what you guys paid

Is warner worth twice as much as dunkley ?
I believe Warner is a better player than Dunkley.

As for what we gave up for Dunkley, our initial counter offer was something like 1st + F1st, with 2nd & 3rd coming back.

Bulldogs said no way, so we traded out our first for an early second and a couple of late seconds & thirds.
 
Isn't Willem Duursma a defender and is rated as a top 5 pick in the next draft ?
If we can't get Warner then Duursma should be our first pick. We have got plenty of forwards but we lack good defenders.
Duursma is a top 5 talent but Curtin and Lindsay are likely to be in the pick 10-20 range and would be a better defensive fit for our list as the best key defender and rebounder respectively. Sharp, Fred and then Greeves would be the players I’d be eyeing with our first pick if we hold it but a lot of water to go under the bridge. Duursma is a utility who may spend time in the midfield this year but start on a HBF or wing at AFL level. Based on our drafting last year Grlj will also be a target as a line breaking defender that can play midfield minutes.
 

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Warner is very much worth 2 top 10 picks, one of which being a top 5.

So with a slight slide Hawks 2025 1st round and WCE 2026 1st round is where my offer would start and finish. The other option would be WCE 2025 first and if Sydney want the points all this year Hawks 2nd otherwise F2. It's probably a tough sell for most of this board to swallow but particularly if he comes with his brother Chad will only be 24 and a half end of next year and Corey will only be just over 22.

Of our FS/Academy prospects in 2025 I would think Banfield is the highest rated however he is also the sort of player who could very easily slide, even with a good year. He does almost everything well but doesn't seem to have a massive standout elite trait. His marking is very good, his positional IQ is very good as is his outside running but I wouldn't say he's elite in any area. He's also more outside than in again meaning more likely to slide

Walley is probably the one who with a big year could go higher or sits in that 35-50 zone, Evans has a big going on which means I think he slides potentially all the way to Cat B. He has the talent to rise but he could also fall lower.

Freddy Rodriguez is a great prospect and a lot depends on his year but I think at this stage he gets a touch overrated here because he's from WA. I see him more in the 7-15 bracket. Which could be very, very interesting if WCE were to trade our 2025 R1 + for Warner/s, he could definitely still be on the table. If Freddy dominates however he could go top 3-5.

If Curtin has a good year and in particular shows a few more games where he kicks some bags up forward I think he will be the first WA player off the table. He had back to back 6 goal games at colts level this year against Subi and the second was in the finals. He's also already 197 so with a quality year, particularly at champs level and late he could go top 5.
 
I believe Warner is a better player than Dunkley.

As for what we gave up for Dunkley, our initial counter offer was something like 1st + F1st, with 2nd & 3rd coming back.

Bulldogs said no way, so we traded out our first for an early second and a couple of late seconds & thirds.
So initial offer pick 15 + F1 for dunkley + 2nd + 3rd .

Ended up 21 + f1(17)+ F2 ( 37)
for dunkley + 2x F3s

Dunkley, 25 years old who played every game and was averaging 26D 6M 6T and kicked 17 goals .

Warner would be a year younger and marginally better player you said he is worth our 1st rounder 4/5 + late 1st or early 2nd .

Can you explain to me why you think warner is worth more than double what you paid for dunkley ?
 
Warner is very much worth 2 top 10 picks, one of which being a top 5.

So with a slight slide Hawks 2025 1st round and WCE 2026 1st round is where my offer would start and finish. The other option would be WCE 2025 first and if Sydney want the points all this year Hawks 2nd otherwise F2. It's probably a tough sell for most of this board to swallow but particularly if he comes with his brother Chad will only be 24 and a half end of next year and Corey will only be just over 22.

Of our FS/Academy prospects in 2025 I would think Banfield is the highest rated however he is also the sort of player who could very easily slide, even with a good year. He does almost everything well but doesn't seem to have a massive standout elite trait. His marking is very good, his positional IQ is very good as is his outside running but I wouldn't say he's elite in any area. He's also more outside than in again meaning more likely to slide

Walley is probably the one who with a big year could go higher or sits in that 35-50 zone, Evans has a big going on which means I think he slides potentially all the way to Cat B. He has the talent to rise but he could also fall lower.

Freddy Rodriguez is a great prospect and a lot depends on his year but I think at this stage he gets a touch overrated here because he's from WA. I see him more in the 7-15 bracket. Which could be very, very interesting if WCE were to trade our 2025 R1 + for Warner/s, he could definitely still be on the table. If Freddy dominates however he could go top 3-5.

If Curtin has a good year and in particular shows a few more games where he kicks some bags up forward I think he will be the first WA player off the table. He had back to back 6 goal games at colts level this year against Subi and the second was in the finals. He's also already 197 so with a quality year, particularly at champs level and late he could go top 5.

100%

Bring in the Warner Bros. and draft Cody Curtin with our 1st. Then we are looking like a more balanced team.

Which of Barnett, Archer Reid or Shanahan would have the attributes to develop into a KPD?
 
Duursma is a top 5 talent but Curtin and Lindsay are likely to be in the pick 10-20 range and would be a better defensive fit for our list as the best key defender and rebounder respectively. Sharp, Fred and then Greeves would be the players I’d be eyeing with our first pick if we hold it but a lot of water to go under the bridge. Duursma is a utility who may spend time in the midfield this year but start on a HBF or wing at AFL level. Based on our drafting last year Grlj will also be a target as a line breaking defender that can play midfield minutes.
Duursma has a quality that Curtin and Lindsay will never have. He's potentially Harleys brother in law and could help keep
Harley at the Eagles, that alone adds to Willem's value at the club more so than the other players mentioned.
Build on the family connection. If we don't Carlton, Essendon and Norf definitely will.
 
Duursma has a quality that Curtin and Lindsay will never have. He's potentially Harleys brother in law and could help keep
Harley at the Eagles, that alone adds to Willem's value at the club more so than the other players mentioned.
Build on the family connection. If we don't Carlton, Essendon and Norf definitely will.
I know that sounds lovely but we’re not spending top 5 picks to appease Harley. What we did with the Gillbee was reasonable. If Duursma earns the selection or if it’s 50/50 with another player then sure there’s merit to it but we aren’t formulating a top end draft plan based on a 19yo’s romance by overlooking better/list need players.
 
Warner is very much worth 2 top 10 picks, one of which being a top 5.
Hi phil can you tell me why you think warner is worth so much when comparison trades are no where near that expensive

Over paying seems to be the west coast way but with the new list management and backlash after horrible pick 3 and Baker trade I would hope we have learn our lessons and are now looking to be better in this regard.

Judd being the obvious mega trade of 3 + 20 + Kennedy.

But apart from that 2 top 10 picks and 1 being top 5 is never seen especially for an out of contract player .

Recent high profile trades

Bolton Contracted picks 10 + 11 + 18
for Bolton + 14 + F3 Rich

Taranto for picks 12 + 19

Dunkley Pick 21 + F1 bris + F2 bris
for dunkley + 2x 3rd rounders

Jackson 13 + F1 + F2
For Jackson + 44 + 67

Rankin 5 + f3 + f4
For rankin + 46 + F4

Jeremy Cameron 13 + 15 + 20
For Cameron + 2x F2s

Dangerfield + 50
for 9 + 28

Tralor pick 7 + f1 + 65
For traloar + 28

The only trade remotely close to what you said warner was worth is the traloar trade and at the time it was said the pies pay way overs and in hindsight it was very much overs
 
Hi phil can you tell me why you think warner is worth so much when comparison trades are no where near that expensive

Over paying seems to be the west coast way but with the new list management and backlash after horrible pick 3 and Baker trade I would hope we have learn our lessons and are now looking to be better in this regard.

Judd being the obvious mega trade of 3 + 20 + Kennedy.

But apart from that 2 top 10 picks and 1 being top 5 is never seen especially for an out of contract player .

Recent high profile trades

Bolton Contracted picks 10 + 11 + 18
for Bolton + 14 + F3 Rich

Taranto for picks 12 + 19

Dunkley Pick 21 + F1 bris + F2 bris
for dunkley + 2x 3rd rounders

Jackson 13 + F1 + F2
For Jackson + 44 + 67

Rankin 5 + f3 + f4
For rankin + 46 + F4

Jeremy Cameron 13 + 15 + 20
For Cameron + 2x F2s

Dangerfield + 50
for 9 + 28

Tralor pick 7 + f1 + 65
For traloar + 28

The only trade remotely close to what you said warner was worth is the traloar trade and at the time it was said the pies pay way overs and in hindsight it was very much overs
Cerra / Weller? Not high profile but pretty expensive.

Also four of your examples are players coming from GWS/GC who tend to get paid unders
 
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Cerra / Weller? Not high profile but pretty expensive.

Also four of your examples are players coming from GWS/GC who tend to get paid unders
You mention that GWS/GC take unders, but you still brought up Weller? GC took huge unders on that trade too.

Cerra was a very good young mid who went at pick 5 and had 76 games in his first 4 years.
Cerra+f3 for 6 wasnt unreasonable

There's enough good examples there, Danger being the big one who has plenty of similarities to the situation Warner will be in
 
Hi phil can you tell me why you think warner is worth so much when comparison trades are no where near that expensive

Over paying seems to be the west coast way but with the new list management and backlash after horrible pick 3 and Baker trade I would hope we have learn our lessons and are now looking to be better in this regard.

Judd being the obvious mega trade of 3 + 20 + Kennedy.

But apart from that 2 top 10 picks and 1 being top 5 is never seen especially for an out of contract player .

Recent high profile trades

Bolton Contracted picks 10 + 11 + 18
for Bolton + 14 + F3 Rich

Taranto for picks 12 + 19

Dunkley Pick 21 + F1 bris + F2 bris
for dunkley + 2x 3rd rounders

Jackson 13 + F1 + F2
For Jackson + 44 + 67

Rankin 5 + f3 + f4
For rankin + 46 + F4

Jeremy Cameron 13 + 15 + 20
For Cameron + 2x F2s

Dangerfield + 50
for 9 + 28

Tralor pick 7 + f1 + 65
For traloar + 28

The only trade remotely close to what you said warner was worth is the traloar trade and at the time it was said the pies pay way overs and in hindsight it was very much overs
Imagine it's because Warner is so young, coupled with the demonstrated ability and actual performance (rather than speculative). All going well, you're going to get a 24 year old who averages ~25 touches, ~1.5 goals, ~1 goal assist a year. Of course a down year this year and his value drops.

If he was to have an injury interrupted year, struggle, it might be much easier to push a better (for us), trade package.
 

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Tim Kelly vibes.
He was two years older (26), way less exposed form. Having said that bringing in a 24 year old Tim Kelly into a deep young midfield like we are likely to actually have would be a much different scenario to what happened. Would be a lot more tasty than dropping him into a pile of proverbial.
 
Imagine it's because Warner is so young, coupled with the demonstrated ability and actual performance (rather than speculative). All going well, you're going to get a 24 year old who averages ~25 touches, ~1.5 goals, ~1 goal assist a year. Of course a down year this year and his value drops.

If he was to have an injury interrupted year, struggle, it might be much easier to push a better (for us), trade package.
Danger went for pick 9 + 28 + a fringe mid taken at pick 55 the year before.
Danger was 25 when he moved, 1 year older than Warner would be.
Danger went 6th, 4th, 4th and 6th in the brownlow in the 4 years before he was traded, and was Adelaides best player.
The situation will be exactly the same, player OOC and (ideally) committed to leaving.
It was a few years ago now but there is no way someone can justify Warner is worth a whole extra top 10 pick than Danger was worth.

Go through those other examples, its a similar story. Warner isnt that good that hes a whole top 10 pick or more better than any of the players named there.
Hes not even the best name on that list, at the time of the trades.
 
I know that sounds lovely but we’re not spending top 5 picks to appease Harley. What we did with the Gillbee was reasonable. If Duursma earns the selection or if it’s 50/50 with another player then sure there’s merit to it but we aren’t formulating a top end draft plan based on a 19yo’s romance by overlooking better/list need players.
It's not about appeasing a 19 year old, it's all about building a team for the future.
That 19 year old puts bums on seats, i doubt very much if any of your suggestions have that or will ever have that capability. In what was a crap year on the field our match attendance figures went up because of Harley's presence.
 
Danger went for pick 9 + 28 + a fringe mid taken at pick 55 the year before.
Danger was 25 when he moved, 1 year older than Warner would be.
Danger went 6th, 4th, 4th and 6th in the brownlow in the 4 years before he was traded, and was Adelaides best player.
The situation will be exactly the same, player OOC and (ideally) committed to leaving.
It was a few years ago now but there is no way someone can justify Warner is worth a whole extra top 10 pick than Danger was worth.

Go through those other examples, its a similar story. Warner isnt that good that hes a whole top 10 pick or more better than any of the players named there.
Hes not even the best name on that list, at the time of the trades.
Geelong are a BODE. You can’t use any of their trades as a realistic guide.
 
Geelong are a BODE. You can’t use any of their trades as a realistic guide.
Most of the list is not Geelong.

Pick any other examples, Dunkley is a good more recent one. Elite a-grader, premiership player, 1 year older than Warner will be at the end of 2025.
Went for what amounts to a couple of late 1sts total value.

Picking between Dunkley end of 2022 and Warner of end of 2025 is not an obvious choice
 
You mention that GWS/GC take unders, but you still brought up Weller? GC took huge unders on that trade too.

Cerra was a very good young mid who went at pick 5 and had 76 games in his first 4 years.
Cerra+f3 for 6 wasnt unreasonable

There's enough good examples there, Danger being the big one who has plenty of similarities to the situation Warner will be in
Taranto who was also the same age when traded had every vic team clamouring to sign him . He went for 12 + 19

I feel that taranto and Bolton (Contracted) are the 2 best recent examples

Dunkley was on 2 years ago also
 
You mention that GWS/GC take unders, but you still brought up Weller? GC took huge unders on that trade too.
I don’t see how this is relevant. Weller wasn’t leaving GC.
Cerra was a very good young mid who went at pick 5 and had 76 games in his first 4 years.
Cerra+f3 for 6 wasnt unreasonable
Cerra was mostly only rated highly because he was a top 5 pick. Talented but compared to Warner he had demonstrated considerably less on-field by the same age.

I don’t really even want Warner and don’t agree with paying two top 10 picks. I was just adding some balance to the selection of recent trades provided
 
It's not about appeasing a 19 year old, it's all about building a team for the future.
That 19 year old puts bums on seats, i doubt very much if any of your suggestions have that or will ever have that capability. In what was a crap year on the field our match attendance figures went up because of Harley's presence.
Winning puts bums on seats. In the top 5 of the draft you take the best available. Simple as that.
 

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