List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Bad strategy to reinforce failure (Brander) . SPP failed under finals pressure. Depth at best.

He was the sub in both games, and still managed 2 late Goals against Geelong in the QF?

 

[FKASC]

He was the sub in both games, and still managed 2 late Goals against Geelong in the QF?

Didn’t kick 3. Fail.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Didn’t kick 3. Fail.

Delist

 

[DanWCE]

Sinn could play mid, back, fwd, doctor, astronaut, plumber, electrician etc

Engineer?

 

[BBQ Mania]

'I'm pretty much never wrong about this stuff'

Saw this gem of a comment from a Freo poster on the Geelong trade thread about Clark.

 

[UseR2006]

Engineer?

Sounds like he has had enough interviews so definitely an Engineer.

 

[Keys]

'I'm pretty much never wrong about this stuff'

Saw this gem of a comment from a Freo poster on the Geelong trade thread about Clark.

You’d think Peter Bell would be too busy collecting feathers to be posting on Bigfooty

 

[dajesmac]

I know this will make some people cringe but I definitely think Josh Sinn adds some attributes to our best 22 that we don't currently have in the back half. I'm not against drafting him at all.

I'd love a midfielder as much as anyone I just don't trust that we will take one.

 

[kane249]

First deal done

FIRST DEAL DONE: Pies grab more draft points in mega pick swap with Suns

Collingwood and Gold Coast have completed the first trade of 2021

www.afl.com.au

In a deal revealed by AFL.com.au earlier on Monday, the Pies have traded their future second, third and fourth-round picks for 2022 to the Suns in exchange for picks 22, 46, 58 and 79 in this year’s NAB AFL Draft as well as a future fourth-round pick for next year.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

As someone who has watched A LOT of Sinn, I’m not sure why some of our fans are so against taking him. He’s not my first choice but his skill set is what our list lacks, also he could definitely move into the middle IMO


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I've seen a fair bit of him too, and he's very good and yes he can play in the middle as he has for Sandy already. I think most posters, including myself would just prefer a true midfielder with our first. It is very likely a good number of true midfielders of high quality will be available at our pick, so everyone is nervous we'd take him here over say Johnson.
If we had pick 16, he'd probably be one I'd want to get at our pick. But pick 10, there will be a true mid there.

 

[MaxHunt]

That wasn't the reason for the move. He wanted to move due to his sisters deteriorating mental health. GC denied the trade request and forced him to stay. She committed suicide and died of a drug overdose at the end of the next season before he got his trade to the cats.

He will think every day about the what if's and if he had been there would his sister have ended up at that point. It was all reasonably quietly swept under the rug by the AFL and media and a big deal wasn't made. He then got to Geelong for 2018.

So whilst I ******* hate Geelong with a burning passion Gary Ablett Jnr is not only the greatest player of his generation but did everything within his power on and off the field for the Suns and they f’ed him pure and simple and his sister died and his family suffered another loss. You hold someone to a contract when severe mental health issues are on the line and stop the only person in your family who really has their sh*t together from moving home and being there to provide support. All for the back end of a guy who was getting well past his peak and had carried the club on his back since the beginning.

The GC suns and AFL have blood on their hands on this. I wonder how what was signed and by whom to keep a lot of this quiet but anyone hanging sh*t on Ablett Jnr for either his performances for GC or for wanting to go home can literally go and get f’ed.

Oh and the fact that Geelong then let Kelly be held to ransom over being traded back to WA after he specifically told clubs about his family issues and moving away from WA. I find it ******* sickening.

He could have done what many other family members in similar situations have and left his job to care for her. Saying the Sun's have blood in their hands is way over the top.

 

[Trav22]

BIG no to SPP.

Where does that leave us developing West, Trew & Edwards? + our first rounder ( Hopefully a mid).

Redden and Shuey likely gone end of next year!
Kelly Gaff and Sheed all better suited to wings or flanks!
cupboard is looking pretty bare after next year mate

 

[dajesmac]

I actually find myself wanting SPP too. He's no world beater but we're not really in a position to trade any of those in at the moment. We have a gaping hole in our list with respect to under 25yo mids - at least adding SPS and SPP give us a CHANCE of making a smoother transition than simply relying on the likes of Edwards, West and Trew. SPP at least adds a genuine point of difference with his skill set.

Not sure what gets it done. Next year's first is out of the question while a future second seems to lack incentive for Port to trade him while contracted. The best we can hope is they feel we plummet to the bottom 4 and that pick could be in the early 20's. Doesn't really add up to me though.

 

[dajesmac]

BIG no to SPP.

Where does that leave us developing West, Trew & Edwards? + our first rounder ( Hopefully a mid).

I think Edwards could be AFL standard but big question marks on West and Trew. West in particular looks like a handy role player at best. Given our hesitation to reach for mids in the first round, I suspect we just go best available with that pick so there's no guarantee that's a mid either.

 

[Monocle]

As someone who has watched A LOT of Sinn, I’m not sure why some of our fans are so against taking him. He’s not my first choice but his skill set is what our list lacks, also he could definitely move into the middle IMO


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What little I have seen of him, he looks very outside and isn’t he injury prone ?

The Vic M v Vic C game I didn’t think he showed anywhere near enough to be in the conversation as a mid first round selection.

I actually though Jake Soligo from ( Vic M ), looked a better prospect then Sinn.

Interestingly Soligo hasn’t got much love on the draft board .
What are your thought on him.

Your comment regarding Sinn are different to a couple of my Victorian mates who have been watching him.
What do you like about his game?

 

[30stm]

Getting WA players out of Geelong would be like getting out of Alcatraz .

Rather Freo pass on Clarke and those pussy-cat handbags have a hand in this years draft

 

[Keys]

First deal done

FIRST DEAL DONE: Pies grab more draft points in mega pick swap with Suns

Collingwood and Gold Coast have completed the first trade of 2021

www.afl.com.au

In a deal revealed by AFL.com.au earlier on Monday, the Pies have traded their future second, third and fourth-round picks for 2022 to the Suns in exchange for picks 22, 46, 58 and 79 in this year’s NAB AFL Draft as well as a future fourth-round pick for next year.

For sake of argument if Collingwood finish say 13th, then they’ve traded 24,42,60 in 2022 for 22,46,58,79 this year plus the Suns future 4th.

Bit of a nil all draw but right now it means Collingwood have thrown all of this years draft plus next years 2nd and 3rd round for an 18 year old with a famous surname

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

For sake of argument if Collingwood finish say 13th, then they’ve traded 24,42,60 in 2022 for 22,46,58,79 this year plus the Suns future 4th.

Bit of a nil all draw but right now it means Collingwood have thrown all of this years draft plus next years 2nd and 3rd round for an 18 year old with a famous surname

He does seem like a consensus top three pick though, in addition to his famous surname.

It’s a bit like if Geelong had been forced to pay up for Tomahawk in 2006. They’d have coughed up plenty since he would have been a potential number 1 pick in an open draft, but he’s ended up living up to that billing.

 

[Monocle]

I've seen a fair bit of him too, and he's very good and yes he can play in the middle as he has for Sandy already. I think most posters, including myself would just prefer a true midfielder with our first. It is very likely a good number of true midfielders of high quality will be available at our pick, so everyone is nervous we'd take him here over say Johnson.
If we had pick 16, he'd probably be one I'd want to get at our pick. But pick 10, there will be a true mid there.

ECE your thought as to his hardness at the ball and his durability.
Have been told that he sometimes turns the ball over with dodgy kicking, is this a fair comment or an exaggeration?

 

[Keys]

He does seem like a consensus top three pick though, in addition to his famous surname.

It’s a bit like if Geelong had been forced to pay up for Tomahawk in 2006. They’d have coughed up plenty since he would have been a potential number 1 pick in an open draft, but he’s ended up living up to that billing.

Keep in mind that had they not traded this years 1st round pick to GWS last year for a couple of mid second rounders then they’d have pick 2 right now and no need to do anything to collect points.

I think our list management have copped some criticism over the Kelly trade and salary cap management with some justification but what Collingwood have done the last couple of years is akin to shooting yourself in the foot with a bazooka

 

[the harry]

Didn’t kick 3. Fail.

Unless he's 20 & 3 he's not worth our time

 

[Truckosaurus]

Didn’t kick 3. Fail.

Subi boy would have.

 

[DanWCE]

Twomey reckons we were into Greg Clark at the MSD

 

[pride of the West]

I think Edwards could be AFL standard but big question marks on West and Trew. West in particular looks like a handy role player at best. Given our hesitation to reach for mids in the first round, I suspect we just go best available with that pick so there's no guarantee that's a mid either.

So true!

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Twomey reckons we were into Greg Clark at the MSD

Didn’t he decide not to nominate? Or am I getting him confused with someone else?