Trade Requested Daniel Rioli [UFA 2027] - Wants to join Gold Coast

[THE_GUN]

Yes, exactly, a crap shoot means it’s a gamble, Rioli has proven to be worth that pick

As for us chasing him I’ve repeatedly stated I think it’s a mistake, not because he isn’t a good player but because Richmond want to much and our trades team are gullible

Was #6 too much for Dion Prestia ?
He played 130 games with 30 getting injured

I wouldnt go back and change that today to have Will Brodie in my side thats played 50 games at 2 clubs or
Will setterfield 71 games at 3 clubs or SPS / Jack Bowes

 

[Iva Bigun]

Was #6 too much for Dion Prestia ?
He played 130 games with 30 getting injured

I wouldnt go back and change that today to have Will Brodie in my side thats played 50 games at 2 clubs or
Will setterfield 71 games at 3 clubs or SPS / Jack Bowes

All good points. Have nothing to do with overpaying for a player on the wrong side of his career

 

[THE_GUN]

All good points. Have nothing to do with overpaying for a player on the wrong side of his career

LOL wrong side of career would depend on what you classify as a career
if you get 130+ games out of a proven Rioli compared to 50 games from a Brodie what difference does it make which side of the career

There will be 15 kids taken in the top 40 that wont reach 100 games

 

[Broar]

LOL wrong side of career would depend on what you classify as a career
if you get 130+ games out of a proven Rioli compared to 50 games from a Brodie what difference does it make which side of the career

There will be 15 kids taken in the top 40 that wont reach 100 games

I don't know why you keep cherry picking stats. It goes both way. Rioli might only have 50 games left and that kid you pick instead could play 300 games and be a future brownlow medalist.

Honestly if you think Rioli is so good just keep him instead of harping on about draft picks.

 

[THE_GUN]

I don't know why you keep cherry picking stats. It goes both way. Rioli might only have 50 games left and that kid you pick instead could play 300 games and be a future brownlow medalist.

Honestly if you think Rioli is so good just keep him instead of harping on about draft picks.

Cherry picking what stats

rioli is a known player and draft picks are unknown and history tells you most dont make it and very few become 150 game players

tell Suns coach to leave our player alone so we can keep him

 

[Pure_Ownage]

He is not running everything

He is working to form the team he believes will play his game plan and the players he needs to implement that game plan
he had his 1st year to look over the list and see what he needs and has made the call on a few players he doesnt think gets him to where he wants and the players he needs and that is his job. surely you cant expect list managers to find players without the coaches influence to what he needs.

I think you misunderstood my post a bit. Of course a new coach should look over a list and work out what player types suit his new game plan best and tell his list manager. And if that includes rioli for the right reasons no issues. But when the clubs then try to negotiate the actual transaction hardwick should have no role in it at all and if it falls over because Richmond want too much or the gc list manager can't agree on a price he's happy with, that's fine.

I know for a fact that at Geelong (and I'd wager Sydney is similar) that there have been at least half a dozen quality players CS has wanted and recommended to the team but Wells said flat out no either due to the trade price being too much or other issues. And no pressure was put on wells by Scott or anyone else to change that because the coach understands the value of staying in his lane and not taking over the footy department.

If gc are smart they will make sure Damien does the same thing.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think you misunderstood my post a bit. Of course a new coach should look over a list and work out what player types suit his new game plan best and tell his list manager. And if that includes rioli for the right reasons no issues. But when the clubs then try to negotiate the actual transaction hardwick should have no role in it at all and if it falls over because Richmond want too much or the gc list manager can't agree on a price he's happy with, that's fine.

I know for a fact that at Geelong (and I'd wager Sydney is similar) that there have been at least half a dozen quality players CS has wanted and recommended to the team but Wells said flat out no either due to the trade price being too much or other issues. And no pressure was put on wells by Scott or anyone else to change that because the coach understands the value of staying in his lane and not taking over the footy department.

If gc are smart they will make sure Damien does the same thing.

And there is no indication this has not happened
Dimma would know in his mind what he wants and lets say Rioli is exactly what he wants
He would have discussed it with list management and his coaches and made that decision

But due to their past he would be the person to convince Rioli and sell him the dream/Club and it will be upto the manager to discuss this with Richmond and get the ball rolling.

2 clubs list managers would have had the chat with ground rules set and the indication would have been from Richmond on what would be acceptable and what would rule this totally out. Something like a top 10 pick plus a 2nd rounder
as it must be overs or wont get done. Dimma would have no input in negotiations but list management would know it must be done and unfortunately for the suns it will be over pay but that wont bother them as they are full with talented 18 year olds and will have another this year and 3 more next year so picks mean nothing to them at this time

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Gladly give pick 6 and more for Blakey, he’s 24 and a better player than Dan was at his age

Oh I think that's the point. I'd give up LOADS more for a contracted Blakey. Two firsts without even blinking.

Given an uncontracted Saad only 1 yr younger at the time went for 8, I don't think 6 plus scraps is off the mark for Rioli at all. And I imagine if Rioli was yours, and under a 3 year contract, it's the minimum you'd expect in return.

It's all dependent on the perspective you're coming from, eh?

 

[Rich01]

Gladly give pick 6 and more for Blakey, he’s 24 and a better player than Dan was at his age

Sounds good. So have they spent the last 12 months convincing him to move?

Or is this another pipe dream of yours?

 

[mrposhman]

My guess for the trade is Pick 6 and 26 for Rioli, 39 and F3

 

[SnusCG]

Just look back at the last 10 years and see what percentage of kids get to 150 games
or just look at Gold Coast top 10 picks since its inception and see how many have played 150 games for gold coast

Juts because I thought it would be an interesting exercise;

Players who have reach 150 game since being drafted by the Suns;

David Swallow - yes (240 games)
Harley Bennell - no, but was due to his off field behaviour/injuries (88 games)
Sam Day - yes (155 games)
Josh Caddy - yes (174 games)
Dion Prestia - yes (225 games)
Daniel Gorringe - no (26 games)
Kade Kolodjashnij - no but had to retire due to concussions (80 games)
Peter Wright - not yet but he will (133 games)
Callum Ah Chee - not yet but he will (143 games)
Ben Ainsworth - not yet but he will (134 games)
Jack Scrimshaw - not yet but he will (107 games)
Will Brodie - unlikely (54 games)
Jack Bowes - not yet but he will (122 games)
Jack Lukosius - not yet but he will (116 games)
Ben King - not yet but he will (95 games)
Izak Rankine - not yet but he will (83 games)
Matt Rowell - not yet but he will (85 games)
Noah Anderson - not yet but he will (104 games)
Elijah Hollands - maybe (36 games)
Mac Andrew - not yet but he will (41 games)
Bailey Humphrey - not yet but he will (40 games)
Jed Walter - maybe (14 games)
Ethan Read - maybe (4 games)

so we have 23 players total
4 who made it to 150 (Swallow, Day, Caddy, Prestia)
12 who unless injury cuts them down should (Wright, Ah Chee, Ainsworth, Scrimshaw, Bowes, Lukosius, King, Rankine, Rowell, Anderson, Andrew and Humphrey)
3 who are maybes (Hollands, Walter and Read)
1 who is unlikely (Brodie)
2 who had to retire due to injuries (Bennell and Kolodjashnij)
1 who was a flop (gorringe)

so thats:

83% who either made it or will likely make it
vs
17% either didn't or wont

it's not a terrible strike rate.

 

[Broar]

Juts because I thought it would be an interesting exercise;

Players who have reach 150 game since being drafted by the Suns;

David Swallow - yes (240 games)
Harley Bennell - no, but was due to his off field behaviour/injuries (88 games)
Sam Day - yes (155 games)
Josh Caddy - yes (174 games)
Dion Prestia - yes (225 games)
Daniel Gorringe - no (26 games)
Kade Kolodjashnij - no but had to retire due to concussions (80 games)
Peter Wright - not yet but he will (133 games)
Callum Ah Chee - not yet but he will (143 games)
Ben Ainsworth - not yet but he will (134 games)
Jack Scrimshaw - not yet but he will (107 games)
Will Brodie - unlikely (54 games)
Jack Bowes - not yet but he will (122 games)
Jack Lukosius - not yet but he will (116 games)
Ben King - not yet but he will (95 games)
Izak Rankine - not yet but he will (83 games)
Matt Rowell - not yet but he will (85 games)
Noah Anderson - not yet but he will (104 games)
Elijah Hollands - maybe (36 games)
Mac Andrew - not yet but he will (41 games)
Bailey Humphrey - not yet but he will (40 games)
Jed Walter - maybe (14 games)
Ethan Read - maybe (4 games)

so we have 23 players total
4 who made it to 150 (Swallow, Day, Caddy, Prestia)
12 who unless injury cuts them down should (Wright, Ah Chee, Ainsworth, Scrimshaw, Bowes, Lukosius, King, Rankine, Rowell, Anderson, Andrew and Humphrey)
3 who are maybes (Hollands, Walter and Read)
1 who is unlikely (Brodie)
2 who had to retire due to injuries (Bennell and Kolodjashnij)
1 who was a flop (gorringe)

so thats:

83% who either made it or will likely make it
vs
17% either didn't or wont

it's not a terrible strike rate.

I wonder how many 28 year olds would go on to play another 130 games or another 8 years?

 

[THE_GUN]

Juts because I thought it would be an interesting exercise;

Players who have reach 150 game since being drafted by the Suns;

David Swallow - yes (240 games)
Harley Bennell - no, but was due to his off field behaviour/injuries (88 games)
Sam Day - yes (155 games)
Josh Caddy - yes (174 games)
Dion Prestia - yes (225 games)
Daniel Gorringe - no (26 games)
Kade Kolodjashnij - no but had to retire due to concussions (80 games)
Peter Wright - not yet but he will (133 games)
Callum Ah Chee - not yet but he will (143 games)
Ben Ainsworth - not yet but he will (134 games)
Jack Scrimshaw - not yet but he will (107 games)
Will Brodie - unlikely (54 games)
Jack Bowes - not yet but he will (122 games)
Jack Lukosius - not yet but he will (116 games)
Ben King - not yet but he will (95 games)
Izak Rankine - not yet but he will (83 games)
Matt Rowell - not yet but he will (85 games)
Noah Anderson - not yet but he will (104 games)
Elijah Hollands - maybe (36 games)
Mac Andrew - not yet but he will (41 games)
Bailey Humphrey - not yet but he will (40 games)
Jed Walter - maybe (14 games)
Ethan Read - maybe (4 games)

so we have 23 players total
4 who made it to 150 (Swallow, Day, Caddy, Prestia)
12 who unless injury cuts them down should (Wright, Ah Chee, Ainsworth, Scrimshaw, Bowes, Lukosius, King, Rankine, Rowell, Anderson, Andrew and Humphrey)
3 who are maybes (Hollands, Walter and Read)
1 who is unlikely (Brodie)
2 who had to retire due to injuries (Bennell and Kolodjashnij)
1 who was a flop (gorringe)

so thats:

83% who either made it or will likely make it
vs
17% either didn't or wont

it's not a terrible strike rate.

That is a good strike rate actually but what did stand out is how many have been disappointing to what the projected as juniors like Swallow , Day , Wright , Luko , Brodie , Bowes , Scrimshaw , Ainsworth , Caddy so far
I remember all of their drafts and how high the expectations were and what they actually produced.

 

[Rich01]

You may find this surprising but I haven’t spoken to Rioli or the Lizard

And I dream about your mum and pipes, not footballers, but hey if thats floats your boat

Ahh, your mum jokes.
Haven’t heard those since high school.
Hope you are having fun these school holidays.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

My guess for the trade is Pick 6 and 26 for Rioli, 39 and F3

Pick #6 on it's own is overs imo.

 

[dean33]

Pick #6 on it's own is overs imo.

It is, and we want more. This trade isn’t about getting fair compensation it’s about fleecing the suns.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It is, and we want more. This trade isn’t about getting fair compensation it’s about fleecing the suns.

Good luck with that.

Rioli isn't worth a top 10 pick imo, but we will see how desperate the Suns are.