List Mgmt. Dates, List changes, etc.

Kildonan · Nov 18, 2020

~~Draft Combine~~
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

~~AFL Grand Final~~
Saturday October 24

~~Free Agency Window~~
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

~~AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)~~
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

List Lodgement 2
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window
December 1 - 2

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
tba – usually between the trade period and shortly before the draft

National Draft
Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Kildonan · Nov 18, 2020

Primary List Sizes go from 38-40 to 36-38
Cat A Rookie List Sizes unchanged (0-6)
Cat B Rookie List Sizes go from 0-3 to 0-2
Total List Sizes go from 38-47 (44 without Cat B, no minimum rookies) to 37-44 (42 without Cat B, 1 rookie minimum if you have 36 on the list)

9% reduction to TPP, most of which is made up of a universal 3.5% cut to players who were contracted before the freeze, 2 reduced primary list positions and a reduction in draftee wage.

Kildonan · Nov 18, 2020

Kildonan · Nov 18, 2020

Out:

Ryan Abbott (del)
Logan Austin (del)
Jack Bell (del)
Nathan Brown (ret)
Nick Hind (trd)
Doulton Langlands (del)
Jonathon Marsh (del)
Jack Mayo (del)
Matthew Parker (del)
Ed Phillips (del)
Shane Savage (del)

In:

Brad Crouch (FA)
Shaun McKernan (FA)
Jack Higgins (trd)
James Frawley (FA)

Kildonan · Nov 19, 2020

We had 45 players this season (39 Senior Listed, 6 Rookie Listed [Wilkie, Bell, Langlands, Mayo, Alabakis, Joyce]), with Joyce and Alabakis being Cat B rookies.

Based on comings and goings over trade period:

Lost 8 Seniors (Hind, Phillips, Parker, Brown, Abbott, Austin, Marsh, Savage)
Lost 3 Cat A Rookies (Bell, Langlands, Mayo)
1 retired, 1 traded, 9 delisted

Gives us 31 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed

Gained 3 Seniors (Crouch, Higgins, McKernan)

Gives us 34 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed as it currently stands.

Expect that Wilkie will be rewarded with a senior list spot

Gives us 35 Senior Listed and 2 Rookie Listed (Cat B) if that happens.

If we do not delist anyone else, we can take a maximum of 3 draftees and together with the expected Rookie upgrade we could fill out our Senior List at 38 players. We will then still be able to c omplete our list with a maximum of 6 Rookies in total (Cat A+B)

I expect we take 3 draftees and 4 rookies giving us 38 senior listed, 4 rookie listed (Cat A), 2 rookie listed (Cat B)

Updated for Savage delisting

Brains Trust66 · Nov 21, 2020

Kildonan said:
We had 45 players this season (39 Senior Listed, 6 Rookie Listed [Wilkie, Bell, Langlands, Mayo, Alabakis, Joyce]), with Joyce and Alabakis being Cat B rookies.

Based on comings and goings over trade period:

Lost 7 Seniors (Hind, Phillips, Parker, Brown, Abbott, Austin, Marsh)

Lost 3 Cat A Rookies (Bell, Langlands, Mayo)

1 retired, 1 traded, 8 delisted

Gives us 32 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed

Gained 3 Seniors (Crouch, Higgins, McKernan)

Gives us 35 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed as it currently stands.

Expect that Wilkie will be rewarded with a senior list spot

Gives us 36 Senior Listed and 2 Rookie Listed (Cat B) if that happens.

If we do not delist anyone else, we can take 2 draftees and the Rookie upgrade filling out our Senior List at 38 players
We will then still be able to take a maximum of 6 Rookies (Cat A)

So there is still a chance that I could be put on the rookie list after I change my first name to Jack lol.

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Saint_Dos · Nov 21, 2020

Kildonan said:
We had 45 players this season (39 Senior Listed, 6 Rookie Listed [Wilkie, Bell, Langlands, Mayo, Alabakis, Joyce]), with Joyce and Alabakis being Cat B rookies.

Based on comings and goings over trade period:

Lost 7 Seniors (Hind, Phillips, Parker, Brown, Abbott, Austin, Marsh)

Lost 3 Cat A Rookies (Bell, Langlands, Mayo)

1 retired, 1 traded, 8 delisted

Gives us 32 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed

Gained 3 Seniors (Crouch, Higgins, McKernan)

Gives us 35 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed as it currently stands.

Expect that Wilkie will be rewarded with a senior list spot

Gives us 36 Senior Listed and 2 Rookie Listed (Cat B) if that happens.

If we do not delist anyone else, we can take 2 draftees and the Rookie upgrade filling out our Senior List at 38 players
We will then still be able to take a maximum of 6 Rookies (Cat A)

Wasn't Joyce picked up at end of 2016. So he would have done his 3 years as a rookie and be on the senior list now?

scotteydog · Nov 21, 2020

Kildonan said:
We had 45 players this season (39 Senior Listed, 6 Rookie Listed [Wilkie, Bell, Langlands, Mayo, Alabakis, Joyce]), with Joyce and Alabakis being Cat B rookies.

Based on comings and goings over trade period:

Lost 7 Seniors (Hind, Phillips, Parker, Brown, Abbott, Austin, Marsh)

Lost 3 Cat A Rookies (Bell, Langlands, Mayo)

1 retired, 1 traded, 8 delisted

Gives us 32 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed

Gained 3 Seniors (Crouch, Higgins, McKernan)

Gives us 35 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed as it currently stands.

Expect that Wilkie will be rewarded with a senior list spot

Gives us 36 Senior Listed and 2 Rookie Listed (Cat B) if that happens.

If we do not delist anyone else, we can take 2 draftees and the Rookie upgrade filling out our Senior List at 38 players
We will then still be able to take a maximum of 6 Rookies (Cat A)

Wilkie can go another year on the rookie list though. Would help with the salary cap, yeah?

sammm · Nov 21, 2020

scotteydog said:
Wilkie can go another year on the rookie list though. Would help with the salary cap, yeah?

No, Willie is being paid at proper rate just on rookie list.

ScrappyDo · Nov 22, 2020

scotteydog said:
Wilkie can go another year on the rookie list though. Would help with the salary cap, yeah?

Salary isn't determined by that.
The AFL set the minimum is all.

Kildonan · Nov 27, 2020

We had 45 players this season (39 Senior Listed, 6 Rookie Listed [Wilkie, Bell, Langlands, Mayo, Alabakis, Joyce]), with Joyce?? and Alabakis being Cat B rookies.

Based on comings and goings over trade period:

Lost 8 Seniors (Hind, Phillips, Parker, Brown, Abbott, Austin, Marsh, Savage)
Lost 3 Cat A Rookies (Bell, Langlands, Mayo)
1 retired, 1 traded, 9 delisted
Clavarino and Joyce have been made Cat A rookies
Gained 4 Seniors (Crouch, Higgins, McKernan, Frawley)

Gives us 34 Senior Listed and 4 Rookie Listed as it currently stands (38 contracted players).

Expect that Wilkie will be rewarded with a senior list spot

Gives us 35 Senior Listed and 3 Rookie Listed (2 Cat A and 1 Cat B) if that happens.

If we do not delist anyone else, we can take a maximum of 3 draftees and together with the expected Rookie upgrade we could fill out our Senior List at 38 players. We will then still be able to c omplete our list with a maximum of 6 Rookies in total (Cat A+B)

I expect we will take 3 draftees and 3 rookies giving us 38 senior listed, 5 rookie listed (Cat A), 1 rookie listed (Cat B)

Updated

borderbarry · Dec 1, 2020

If Wilkie is being paid the full amount, can someone explain what the benefit for the club is in keeping him on the rookie list?

Significant · Dec 1, 2020

borderbarry said:
If Wilkie is being paid the full amount, can someone explain what the benefit for the club is in keeping him on the rookie list?

$80,0000 of his salary is not included in our salary cap, the other positive would be to manage out our rookie / primary list turnover so say that we don't have to sign 4 rookie players in one draft, which would likely result in poorer talented players (same can be said for primary draft, depending on where our picks land and how many spots we have to fill)

Also agree with previous comments - Joyce was definitely on our primary list.

I have done a similar exercise multiple times in other threads similar to what Kildonan has done and reviewed our list to reconfirm my calcs.

Highlander35 · Dec 1, 2020

borderbarry said:
If Wilkie is being paid the full amount, can someone explain what the benefit for the club is in keeping him on the rookie list?

Flexibility. AFAIK, the rules as they currently stand, the AFL doesn't care what list you're on, you can play. So what it does is it gives our recruiters more options when it comes to draft time. If the player we decide we want is available at the pick which is currently 74, but we wouldn't be confident in him sliding through to our pick 14 in the rookie draft, leaving Wilkie on the Rookie list allows us to grab him. Or it allows us to pick up a DFA before the rookie draft starts.

pebblesofsand · Dec 1, 2020

Is there another DFA period? I was certain that I read somewhere that there was a second one day period after the second list lodgement and prior to the draft. 3rd or 4th December maybe?

Anyone got any idea's?

Significant · Dec 1, 2020

FINALISED

Trade

We had 45 players this season (40 Senior Listed, 5 Rookie Listed [Wilkie, Bell, Langlands, Mayo, Alabakis]), with Alabakis being a Cat B rookie.

Based on comings and goings over trade period:

Lost 10 Seniors (Hind, Phillips, Parker, Brown, Abbott, Austin, Marsh, Savage, Clavarino, Joyce)
Lost 3 Cat A Rookies (Bell, Langlands, Mayo)
1 retired, 1 traded, 9 delisted
Clavarino and Joyce have been made Cat A rookies
Gained 4 Seniors (Crouch, Higgins, McKernan, Frawley)

Gives us 34 Senior Listed, 3 Cat A Rookie Listed, 1 Cat B Rookie Listed as it currently stands (38 contracted players).

Tidbits!

The club have said that we will leave one available spot on our list for the preseason supplementary players list or mid season drafts, however I am unsure whether this is on the Senior List of Rookie List. (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscr...fc78040d9772a8&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium)

The club have hinted that Callum Wilkie

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Callum Wilkie

Age
28

Ht

191cm

Wt
88kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

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14.2

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4.5

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1.8

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MG
221.3

3

D
12.6

3

K
9.0

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3.6

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2.6

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1.4

2

MG
223.1

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14.0

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8.4

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5.6

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4.6

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2.2

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will remain on the rookie list (https://www.saints.com.au/news/838327/backline-pair-moved-to-rookie-list)

Draft

Give us 2-4 Senior Listed players, 1-3 Cat A Rookie Listed Players, and 1 Cat B Rookie Listed player for us to draft

I highly doubt we are drafting 4 senior listed players, and don't believe we will be upgrading Wilkie (however there are pro's to doing this).

I believe there may be a trend to maximizing rookie lists (6 players) in order to have more money saved outside of the TPP ($80k each = $480k saved), given the current fiscal environment created by Covid-19.

Given this, I believe we will:

Draft 2 Senior Listed Players (maybe 3 at a pinch if someone we like is still available)
Draft 3 Cat A Rookies (maybe 2 if we pinched another, as per above)

pebblesofsand · Dec 2, 2020

pebblesofsand said:
Is there another DFA period? I was certain that I read somewhere that there was a second one day period after the second list lodgement and prior to the draft. 3rd or 4th December maybe?

Anyone got any idea's?

So the answer to my question is - yes there is and it starts today and closes tomorrow.

Not sure if we'll be involved but I hope Sav and Matty find spots somewhere.

Kildonan · Dec 5, 2020

Player List 2021 (in progress)

Code:

    Name                 2020 Tot Age Birth Date Height Weight   Origin
  18 Ryder, Patrick        14 257 32 13 Mar 1988 197cm  94kg East Fremantle / Essendon / Port Adelaide
  14 Geary, Jarryn         16 204 32 23 Jun 1988 182cm  82kg Bendigo Pioneers
  ?? Frawley, James        14 239 32 20 Sep 1988 193cm  96kg North Ballarat / Melbourne / Hawthorn
  ?? McKernan, Shaun        9  87 30 01 Sep 1990 196cm 100kg Calder Cannons / Essendon
  10 Hannebery, Daniel      8 221 29 24 Feb 1991 181cm  80kg Oakleigh Chargers / Sydney
  17 Roberton, Dylan        1 129 29 21 Jun 1991 194cm  91kg Dandenong Stingrays / Fremantle
   2 Carlisle, Jake        13 147 29 01 Oct 1991 201cm 104kg Craigieburn / EssendonFC
   6 Ross, Sebastian       16 140 27 07 May 1993 188cm  88kg North Ballarat Rebels
  29 Webster, Jimmy         0  93 27 28 Jun 1993 188cm  83kg Glenorchy
   8 Hill, Bradley         19 168 27 09 Jul 1993 179cm  79kg West Perth / Hawthorn / Fremantle
  ?? Crouch, Brad          12  95 26 14 Jan 1994 186cm  85kg North Ballarat Rebels / Adelaide
  25 Kent, Dean            15  91 26 25 Feb 1994 180cm  85kg Perth WAFL / Melbourne
  28 Membrey, Tim          19 110 26 26 May 1994 188cm  89kg Gippsland / Sydney
   7 Dunstan, Luke          1 104 25 29 Jan 1995 185cm  84kg Woodville-West Torrens
  35 Sinclair, Jack        12  98 25 12 Feb 1995 180cm  82kg Oakleigh Chargers
   3 Jones, Zak            16 106 25 15 Mar 1995 181cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays / Sydney
  15 Billings, Jack        19 126 25 18 Aug 1995 184cm  81kg Oakleigh Chargers
  19 Marshall, Rowan       19  52 25 24 Nov 1995 201cm 104kg North Ballarat Rebels
   9 Steele, Jack          19  97 25 13 Dec 1995 187cm  90kg ACT Rams / GWS
  44 Wilkie, Callum (R)    19  41 24 10 Mar 1996 191cm  87kg North Adelaide
  20 Howard, Dougal        19  64 24 25 Mar 1996 199cm  92kg Murray Bushrangers / Port Adelaide
  36 McKenzie, Daniel       0  49 24 17 May 1996 184cm  83kg Oakleigh Chargers
  16 Butler, Dan           19  64 24 03 Jun 1996 182cm  80kg North Ballarat Rebels / Richmond
  13 Lonie, Jack           13  76 24 13 Aug 1996 174cm  71kg Dandenong Stingrays
  39 Joyce, Darragh (R)     0   5 23 23 Apr 1997 195cm  90kg Ireland
  45 Alabakis, Samuel (R)   0   0 23 02 May 1997 211cm 105kg Perth Wildcats / ULM Warhawks
  21 Long, Ben             15  45 23 21 Aug 1997 182cm  74kg Footscray VFL
   4 Gresham, Jade         11  92 23 24 Aug 1997 177cm  79kg Northern Knights
  26 Battle, Josh          14  40 22 18 Sep 1998 193cm  92kg Dandenong Stingrays
  33 Paton, Ben            17  35 22 19 Oct 1998 186cm  77kg Murray Bushrangers
   1 Coffield, Nicholas    15  36 21 19 Mar 1999 191cm  82kg Northern Knights
  ?? Higgins, Jack         10  43 21 19 Mar 1999 177cm  78kg Oakleigh Chargers / Richmond
  11 Clark, Hunter         18  47 21 26 Mar 1999 186cm  79kg Dandenong Stingrays
  38 Clavarino, Oscar (R)   0   0 21 23 Oct 1999 197cm  89kg Dandenong Stingrays
  23 Bytel, Jack            3   3 20 14 Mar 2000 189cm  78kg Calder Cannons
  12 King, Maxwell         18  18 20 07 Jul 2000 202cm  90kg Sandringham Dragons
  31 Byrnes, Ryan           1   1 19 03 May 2001 181cm  80kg Sandringham Dragons
  37 Connolly, Leo          0   0 19 07 Aug 2001 181cm  74kg Gippsland Power

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