Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - Trade Period Edition

[Masto]

Darling and Hurn were man-child's in their time, too. Their game's translated well despite this.

Darling maybe. Hurn not so much. Those two players have a lot more class than Jansen and were both talked about as possible top 10 picks. Jansen will do well to be picked up at all. There are a lot of players of similar ability on the back end of this draft.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

If we don't use 49 then what the hell was the point of trading the comp pick for 43?

I agree with all the fluff this week about Newman it seems he might stay on the main list in which case we'd have to dump someone else. Plenty of average still on list I guess...

Are we allowed to delist McGovern?

I like the talent in the list, but you'd think after 3 years of being injured and a new coach, you'd be hungry to present in the best fashion possible

Re-rookie him if need be and let him rot with Adam Selwood for a few months

I don't understand the motivation issue. Perhaps someone like Xavier Ellis I can - 8 years in rehab is pretty lonely - but a young uncapped player - should be bursting at the seams

 

[tesseract]

Darling maybe. Hurn not so much. Those two players have a lot more class than Jansen and were both talked about as possible top 10 picks. Jansen will do well to be picked up at all. There are a lot of players of similar ability on the back end of this draft.

Hurn was a man-child at the same stage. There's no "not so much" about it. The issue of class is besides the point and irrelevant to the matter of being a man-child.

Similar ability? Perhaps. But the point is, Jansen fills a need for a big bodied midfielder, who finds a lot of the ball. Given he already has the ready to play at AFL level frame, why rookie list him? He's not a project player in regards to his physical size.

Why choose someone else of similar ability when WC can get a a player of similar ability but with an impressive physical size? Some here want Patrick Cripps for his size as an IM, yet Jansen has slightly more size than even him. Why not take a punt in the 40's?

 

[Masto]

Hurn was a man-child at the same stage. There's no "not so much" about it. The issue of class is besides the point and irrelevant to the matter of being a man-child.

Similar ability? Perhaps. But the point is, Jansen fills a need for a big bodied midfielder, who finds a lot of the ball. Given he already has the ready to play at AFL level frame, why rookie list him? He's not a project player in regards to his physical size.

Why choose someone else of similar ability when WC can get a a player of similar ability but with an impressive physical size? Some here want Patrick Cripps for his size as an IM, yet Jansen has slightly more size than even him. Why not take a punt in the 40's?

Hurn has never had an overly physical game. So even if he was slightly big at u18 level, it wasn't really something that gave him an advantage given the way he plays. Cripps is a much better player than Jansen IMO. You have to look past pure size but yes - big bodied midfielders are the flavour of the month so that will help your mate Jansen to get drafted.

 

[tesseract]

Hurn has never had an overly physical game. So even if he was slightly big at u18 level, it wasn't really something that gave him an advantage given the way he plays. Cripps is a much better player than Jansen IMO. You have to look past pure size but yes - big bodied midfielders are the flavour of the month so that will help your mate Jansen to get drafted.

Whether Hurn has had an overly physical game or not is again besides the point. He was a man-child in juniors, with a physical advantage, that translated to AFL, where he still uses that size to out-body opponents.

Cripps being seen as the better junior will reflect in him being taken earlier in the draft than Jansen. But that's still not the point. Big-bodied midfielders aren't just the flavour of the month, it's where the AFL level midfield's are trending. Again, why pick a midfielder of similar ability and yet bypass the one with impressive size, especially given the need for such size in WC's undersized midfield?

 

[Masto]

Whether Hurn has had an overly physical game or not is again besides the point. He was a man-child in juniors, with a physical advantage, that translated to AFL, where he still uses that size to out-body opponents.

Cripps being seen as the better junior will reflect in him being taken earlier in the draft than Jansen. But that's still not the point. Big-bodied midfielders aren't just the flavour of the month, it's how the AFL level midfield's are trending. Again, why pick a midfielder of similar ability and yet bypass the one with impressive size, especially given the need for such size in WC's undersized midfield?

We'll agree to disagree on the first point. He really wasn't that big and it really didn't provide him any advantage. It still doesn't provide him any advantage now.

If its all about size and you want a tall midfielder at that point of the draft, I would be more inclined to take a Tom Cutler or a Nicholas Bourke if he slides that far. He did in the 2013 Bigfooty phantom draft. I simply think there will be better players than Jansen available.

 

[tesseract]

We'll agree to disagree on the first point. He really wasn't that big and it really didn't provide him any advantage. It still doesn't provide him any advantage now.

If its all about size and you want a tall midfielder at that point of the draft, I would be more inclined to take a Tom Cutler or a Nicholas Bourke if he slides that far. He did in the 2013 Bigfooty phantom draft. I simply think there will be better players than Jansen available.

Hurn's physical size is used to great effect in one on one's when out-muscling, nudging his opponent under the ball, or to get them off balance. Watch replays and see him use his size, as well as commentators commenting on him using it.

So, if these players are of similar ability to Jansen, why pick them instead of a guy with the better physical size? And when I say "size", I don't just mean height, but weight, too.

The reason to pick Jansen in the 40's is because it's where WC will end their selections in the ND. His size and played position fill a need, and it's a pick that has little expectation of finding a player from. If he doesn't work out, it's no big loss - it's only a pick of little value in the 40's. But a guy that big, if he does come good, is a huge win and just what WC's midfield needs.

 

[Obeanie1]

You shouldn't patronise people when your own post is so very flawed.

My view and opinion is just that, mine. Am I 100% right all the time, no! Who is? No one.

I just think something like this the AFL will have it covered. The off season media show the AFL stages is very good with regular dates of interest. The National Draft is the most important off season day and I'm pretty confident they won't stuff this one up. The AFL have already had enough disasters this year they don't need more egg on their faces.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Hurn was 96kg prior to being drafted and an accomplished mid.

Nick Bourke is also pretty one dimensional. Big outside guy that runs in straight lines and kick long, put him in a high speed and high congestion game of AFL football and he'll be limited much like Hurn has been. Would be limited exclusively to playing off the half back line at the moment.

Cripps and Jansen are different. Cripps has better clearance work and is better on the spread, he's got better disposal in the clinches than Jansen has. He's really valuable because he's got such a strong inside game. Cripps is quicker off the mark but over the stretch i'd imagine they're pretty similar with Jansen looking just a little quicker on the outside.

Jansen is the better kick of the two, gets much better shape on his kicks and is more damaging by foot. Neither are really that damaging with their long kicks. Jansen is also more consistent when he finds the ball around the ground. Likes to push out onto the flanks and wing, using his superior marking power to his advantage.

Jansen is all about his versatility and his decision making, play him back, middle or forward. Could be a reliable role player if he doesn't become a high end mid.

 

[Masto]

Hurn was 96kg prior to being drafted and an accomplished mid.

He's 94kgs now. There is no way he was 96kgs.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

He's 94kgs now. There is no way he was 96kgs.

 

[Masto]

He might have been fat? I certainly don't see the definition in his arms and legs that he has now.

 

[Prem87]

He might have been fat? I certainly don't see the definition in his arms and legs that he has now.

Hurn looks huge for a 18 year old in that photo - very very thick/solid - especially the lower body. Wax is body and give him a tan and you would see more muscle definition.

I wish we developed Hurn as a mid from when he first came to the club.

 

[the harry]

Haha look at the hair!

 

[Masto]

Hurn looks huge for a 18 year old in that photo - very very thick/solid - especially the lower body. Wax is body and give him a tan and you would see more muscle definition.

I wish we developed Hurn as a mid from when he first came to the club.

Damn Woosha. Hurn has changed his body a lot since he was drafted IMO. Maybe Simmo will give him more of a go in the midfield.

 

[BloominH]

I have taken FAN picks from afl draft machine this is the result:
GWS 1. Boyd
GWS 2. Kelly
SK 3. Billings
WB 4. Aish
GCS 5. K. Kolonoscapy?
Coll 6. Bontempelli
BL 7. McCarthy
NM 8. MacDonald
M 9. Freeman
Coll. 10. Lennon (Salem)
WC 11. ? Still there: Lennon/Salem (1 of depending on Collingwood). Scharenberg,
Taylor, Couch, Acres, Sheed.
RIC 12. Salem if not taken by us.
CLT 13. Wanted McCarthy would probably take one of the above mids or next best FWD.
GWS 14. Darcy Gardiner
SY 15. Crouch
GEE 16. Acres
FRE 17. J. Marsh
SK 18. Hartung
SK 19. Dumont
GCS 20. N. Drummond
PA 21. Dunstan
BL 22. Cripps
AD 23. Hourigan
HW 24. Garlett
BL 25. Giles
ESS 26. Apeness
GCS 27. J. Kolonoscapy
BL 28. Cripps gone Giles gone unsure?
GWS 29. N. Bourke
NM 30. J. Kennedy-Harris
WC 31 ?

I have left WC blank: Pick 11 is interesting of those listed who would best fit.

 

[Icanwalk]

I have taken FAN picks from afl draft machine this is the result:
GWS 1. Boyd
GWS 2. Kelly
SK 3. Billings
WB 4. Aish
GCS 5. K. Kolonoscapy?
Coll 6. Bontempelli
BL 7. McCarthy
NM 8. MacDonald
M 9. Freeman
Coll. 10. Lennon (Salem)
WC 11. ? Still there: Lennon/Salem (1 of depending on Collingwood). Scharenberg,
Taylor, Couch, Acres, Sheed.

I have left WC blank: Pick 11 is interesting of those listed who would best fit.

Brisbane's curveball with McCarthy should mean a decent slider gets to our pick. Although as I understood it, McCarthy would only be taken if Scharenberg had already. And infuriatingly, there is no way Scharenberg would get past Collingwood at 10. But if by some miracle he does slip past 10, we'd be mad not to take him, despite the questions on his midfield ability. Goddard might not be a pure inside mid, but he has more class than our entire midfield combined. Scharenberg is in a similar vein. Can't see Simpson passing up that sort of opportunity given his preferences and background at the Hawks. Birchall mkII

And starting to think we might go Salem or Lennon over the WA duo of Sheed and Acres. The recent Brisbane exodus might've changed drafting preferences, even amongst us fans, however, we usually have a decent strike rate in retaining Victorians. Would not be adverse to looking outside the west.

 

[Prem87]

Damn Woosha. Hurn has changed his body a lot since he was drafted IMO. Maybe Simmo will give him more of a go in the midfield.

Hurn's shape has changed a lot - I'm not a fan of his current shape - needs to lean down just a tad to become a runner. He needs to be unleashed and to hover around the outside of packs. There's no way teams could tag all of Yeo, Hurn, Gaff, Schofield, Shuey if they hovered on the outside.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

What did Ben Cousins provide that Chris Judd didn't? You're allowed to have more than one gun midfielder in the team.

You don't say.

Just seems logical that a combination of Acres-Waterman might prove to be a better combo than Sheed-Waterman, though. A bit of variation in mids is important.

 

[Prem87]

Brisbane's curveball with McCarthy should mean a decent slider gets to our pick. Although as I understood it, McCarthy would only be taken if Scharenberg had already. And infuriatingly, there is no way Scharenberg would get past Collingwood at 10. But if by some miracle he does slip past 10, we'd be mad not to take him, despite the questions on his midfield ability. Goddard might not be a pure inside mid, but he has more class than our entire midfield combined. Scharenberg is in a similar vein. Can't see Simpson passing up that sort of opportunity given his preferences and background at the Hawks. Birchall mkII

And starting to think we might go Salem or Lennon over the WA duo of Sheed and Acres. The recent Brisbane exodus might've changed drafting preferences, even amongst us fans, however, we usually have a decent strike rate in retaining Victorians. Would not be adverse to looking outside the west.

Would rather Acres than Lennon.. though if Scharenberg were available it would very hard to pass him up!

 

[BroughtonMid]

that actually reminds me of ben sokols body shape tbh

how he covered the ground with tree trunks for legs is beyond me, would love to know his testing results

 

[BloominH]

Brisbane's curveball with McCarthy should mean a decent slider gets to our pick. Although as I understood it, McCarthy would only be taken if Scharenberg had already. And infuriatingly, there is no way Scharenberg would get past Collingwood at 10. But if by some miracle he does slip past 10, we'd be mad not to take him, despite the questions on his midfield ability. Goddard might not be a pure inside mid, but he has more class than our entire midfield combined. Scharenberg is in a similar vein. Can't see Simpson passing up that sort of opportunity given his preferences and background at the Hawks. Birchall mkII

And starting to think we might go Salem or Lennon over the WA duo of Sheed and Acres. The recent Brisbane exodus might've changed drafting preferences, even amongst us fans, however, we usually have a decent strike rate in retaining Victorians. Would not be adverse to looking outside the west.

McCarthy invited to draft means he is going in the top 10: BL know if they don't grab him at 7 Carlton are ready to pounce at 13 next in line Freo. I'm in agreement the Berg slips to us then we all luv Vosso.
Coll has been talking up Salem ahead of Lennon in press so he maybe their preferred choice.

 

[Icanwalk]

Would rather Acres than Lennon.. though if Scharenberg were available it would very hard to pass him up!

Agree completely, it's becoming increasingly difficult to appraise how we're going to balance needs with best available, whilst taking into consideration the fresh ideas Simpson will intend to implement. I daresay if Woosha was still at the helm, Sheed would be a certainty. Now can't say the same with any confidence.

Of the 5 mentioned, IMO. Best available and Simpson's player preference:
Scharenberg > Acres > Lennon > Salem > Sheed

Needs basis:
Sheed > Acres > Salem > Scharenberg > Lennon

I doubt Scharenberg will be available, so have to go Acres. Although I wonder whether Acres has received the bigfooty treatment somewhat. Get the feeling he might well slide to Freo's first pick.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Oh God I hope he doesn't, isn't it enough that the last skinny mid with dodgy shoulders they drafted turned out to be Fyfe? WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT? Sharing is caring Fremantle. You shouldn't hog all these players for yourselves.

 

[BloominH]

Agree completely, it's becoming increasingly difficult to appraise how we're going to balance needs with best available, whilst taking into consideration the fresh ideas Simpson will intend to implement. I daresay if Woosha was still at the helm, Sheed would be a certainty. Now can't say the same with any confidence.

Of the 5 mentioned, IMO. Best available and Simpson's player preference:
Scharenberg > Acres > Lennon > Salem > Sheed

Needs basis:
Sheed > Acres > Salem > Scharenberg > Lennon

I doubt Scharenberg will be available, so have to go Acres. Although I wonder whether Acres has received the bigfooty treatment somewhat. Get the feeling he might well slide to Freo's first pick.[/quote

Think Acres will possibly slide to Freo: God I hope not.