No Oppo Supporters Double-Death-Riding Carlton 2019 Edition - Currently Pick 1 and 19

[TexForPM]

I think they'll be favourites next year... for the spoon

 

[Sloane13]

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Let’s try to do another pick swap next year with Carlton. I’ve loved barracking for any side playing Carlton. We have two games to look forward to each week.

 

[Mike Smyth]

If we do finish with a top 2 pick would you trade it for Rankine if he wanted to come home?

 

[Deaneus!]

Let’s try to do another pick swap next year with Carlton. I’ve loved barracking for any side playing Carlton. We have two games to look forward to each week.

Cripes, think about your poor mods.

Actually, since the blanket ban, it's been way better

Carry on

 

[TexForPM]

Let’s try to do another pick swap next year with Carlton. I’ve loved barracking for any side playing Carlton. We have two games to look forward to each week.

Love the drama each round.

I was cheering every goal vs North.
Missus was looking at me in disgust. She loves it secretly too.

 

[Crow till I die]

While not too many are outright busts, there are plenty of players in there you'd be annoyed spending a top 5 pick on.

McCartin, Petracca, Pickett, Schache, Parish, Setterfield and probably Dow, Davies-Uniacke and Ainsworth based on what I've seen of them

due to the nature of how the draft works, most of those players that could be seen as busts went into bottom clubs with a lesser culture etc than if they had gone to a contending club with better structures in place. I am guessing but if most of those guys in the top 5 from the last 5 years had ended up in our system, their eventual chance of success would be higher and as such they would be less likely to be busts

 

[GrommoT]

If we do finish with a top 2 pick would you trade it for Rankine if he wanted to come home?

If we had pick 2 last year (after making costly trades with GC), would we have picked him?
If we knew last year we would have an almost sure pick #2 in 2019, would we have traded it with GC for him?
If he was in the draft this year, would we pick him?

Club probably would say yes (if Lukosius was out of the picture).

 

[Sloane13]

If we do finish with a top 2 pick would you trade it for Rankine if he wanted to come home?

Hmm, interesting, in 2019 draft I would like us to pick Anderson if we get the pick for him. If Rankine wants out which I think he will, have to go Rankine, as while I love the ceiling of anderson there is the go Home factor to be considered, tie with hawks. As for rumours surrounding Grundy coming home, would be annoyed if we used our highest draft pick on him. So Rankine for me would be happy crow supporter. He will be the best of the lot, of the super 7 draft

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Really ! Thanks MATE.

Much better, but no need to shout.

 

[Tex Danger]

There is no need to use the Carlton first on either Luko or rankine they can wait another year, we can get in rowell or anderson and use next years first to bring one of the boys home.... you'd imagine Port will try too. Wouldnt not suprise me if rankine picks us and Luko picks Port.

Thats probably why you try for 1 early, gives a change of getting both.
Also Hately I reckon will be very gettable.

Pick 1 I think we could probably get something back for too. Maybe 1+19 for Luko or Rankine and Brisbane 1st rounder (held by GC) (eg 10-13). Note GC dont have a 2nd rounder.

 

[Tex Danger]

Supposedly Malthouse wanted to ditch 18 players from their list immediately and the board wouldn’t allow him to gut the list as he wanted

When he got the job it was because they thought Ratten was underperforming with a premiership list and Malthouse was the man to get that.
After his 1st season Malthouse chawed his opinion on the list

 

[VictorianCrow85]

When he got the job it was because they thought Ratten was underperforming with a premiership list and Malthouse was the man to get that.
After his 1st season Malthouse chawed his opinion on the list

Haha it was after his first season before the season started that he specifically said to the media that the premiership window was about to open, then they finished last lol.

Perhaps he meant their wooden spoon window. Nailed the call if so.

 

[hippyhippy]

Just like know views on Anderson do we pick him if get the pick from Carlton. Even with ties to hawthorn and go home factor ????

My preference would be to try and get multiple tOp picks... but i know nothing of the current crop

 

[douglyzia]

In the back half of the season, what do Carlton players have to play for?

This is a good question when you consider they no longer have their early draft pick. In a normal season, you can't help but think some players (especially those with gold passes) have it in the back of their minds that they'll just play half-arsed, get a good draft pick to improve the side and try again the following year.

Now that Carlton no longer have the comforting thought of a high draft pick to reward them for mediocrity, that would either motivate them, or place additional stress/pressure on them, to actually give a shit to a larger extent than previous years.

 

[LiquidCrow]

There are a few Carlton supporters hoping that there is greater cohesion in the 2nd half of the season after the young guys string a few games together with each other. The aim is to jag a few wins against tiring teams.

As a relatively young team, I'd also expect the Blues to also tire as the season goes. Last year they put up a good performance against the Tigers in R1, and aside from their 2 wins it was pretty much downhill from there. This year they've shown they can put together a couple of quarters a game, but their second half capitulation against Hawthorn in Round 6 and poor followup against North did make me wonder if they'd already run out of legs. I think their bye is in the last week like ours, so it may get even uglier before then.

In the back half of the season, what do Carlton players have to play for? Getting 100% buy-in from players on trying to move from 17thish to 16thish from a coach who may not even be there the next season will be tough, especially with tiring minds and bodies from another disappointing season. Melbourne and Essendon had legitimate chances at the finals this year and look how hard it was for them to get their players up and about early on. Can't see players like McGovern lifting after round 18 if Carlton are only sitting on 3 or 4 wins. The players were certainly done when Adelaide played them in the final round last year.

In addition, if there is any sense a new coach is coming in, I'd say they would want to play well for the sake of their careers as a cleanout could well be incoming. If self preservation kicks in, that may result in more selfish and less team oriented things happening. Early draft picks and those on long term contracts may feel safe, and aren't likely to be too bothered and will likely mentally check out as soon as finals aren't mathematically possible.

When he got the job it was because they thought Ratten was underperforming with a premiership list and Malthouse was the man to get that.
After his 1st season Malthouse chawed his opinion on the list

Under Ratten they played finals from 2009-11, then he got sacked after they just missed out in 2012. Under Mick they only played finals in 2013, making the 8 due to the Essendon saga. Felt that the beginning of the end came when they drafted Blaine Boekhurst from left field (another infamous Pick 19), as there wa also some talk that Mick had overruled their drafting team for the mature age WA player. Could the Stocker trade mark a similar moment n the careers of Bolton and SOS? Can definitely recall the draft commentators being very surprised that RCD wasn't the one taken, but I guess we'll find out this year.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Thanks guys. I have feeling Rankine will want out at the end of the year. Given we will potentially have a top 2 pick i reckon he would know this year would be his best chance for his destination club to do a fair and equitable trade.

 

[40porpoise]

I’m not sure I’d spend it on rankine if an elite all round mid is on the table.

Rankine has serious talent but is he destined to forever be a forward pocket? Doesn’t strike me as an extremely hard worker either..

 

[Crow till I die]

I’m not sure I’d spend it on rankine if an elite all round mid is on the table.

Rankine has serious talent but is he destined to forever be a forward pocket? Doesn’t strike me as an extremely hard worker either..

Think Cyril Rioli but with possibly an even higher skillset

 

[1990crow]

I wouldn’t trade pick 1 for Rankine. Especially if the player wants to come home and will hold the Suns at ransom the following year.

 

[Perthcrow23]

I agree awesome how pick swap going no pumping of chests in oct nov we won’t get much from them oh and they saying stocker gonna be next Scott thompson same mitchel but with more pace. Did they see him play sat 7 possessions 4 were changers lol but funny lol

Your engrish hurts my brain...

 

[Crows123]

Thats probably why you try for 1 early, gives a change of getting both.
Also Hately I reckon will be very gettable.

Pick 1 I think we could probably get something back for too. Maybe 1+19 for Luko or Rankine and Brisbane 1st rounder (held by GC) (eg 10-13). Note GC dont have a 2nd rounder.

Pick 1 + 19 + 2020 1st rounder for both Luko and Rankine.

 

[Relaxed]

I’m not sure I’d spend it on rankine if an elite all round mid is on the table.

Rankine has serious talent but is he destined to forever be a forward pocket? Doesn’t strike me as an extremely hard worker either..

His 6 week hammy has just turned into a 12 week hammy as well. Not great for him when he hasn't even got a game yet. Even if we got pick 1 or 2 you'd almost want to use it this draft and see if Rankine can get on the park next season or if he becomes Harley Bennell.

It's rolling the dice, but his asking price may drop if the doesn't play much this season ... surely 12 week layoff means he will get a mini preseason, then eased back into the 2's on limited game time so he might not have a legitimate chance of an AFL debut until round 17 or 18?

Every game he gets in the AFL is he likely to impress though, which would make his value go up over the next 18 months. But then at least the Crows can see how his durability is over his first 2 years.

 

[1990crow]

Pick 1 + 19 + 2020 1st rounder for both Luko and Rankine.

Potentially. A lot to give up when we know they want to come back to us anyway.
Point being the longer they are at GC and when out of contract they basically have to take what we give them.

 

[mattymac]

Potentially. A lot to give up when we know they want to come back to us anyway.
Point being the longer they are at GC and when out of contract they basically have to take what we give them.

We only know Rankine wants to come back. Don't know for sure about Luko. Although being played on the wing and now being dropped probably aren't his favourite things.

 

[mattymac]

If this turns out to be the top 2 pick it looks like, I'd go for one of the gun mids in the draft.

If we miss out on Anderson or Rowell I'd probably try to get Rankine as Betts replacement.

But Rankine could wait till next year when he's out of contract if one of those two mids is available.

With Gibbs' heart failure and Sloane 30 it's time to get a real A grader in around the Crouches that can hurt the oppo with his disposal.