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[nitewalker13]

If adelaide can tweaked their game in one week, why cant we adjust to our new defence structure from the pre-season?

I know we got some new players and not experienced players like adelaide but mostly all our defenders are experienced.

 

[Sab22]

If adelaide can tweaked their game in one week, why cant we adjust to our new defence structure from the pre-season?

I know we got some new players and not experienced players like adelaide but mostly all our defenders are experienced.

Ones a grand finalist and the other is a struggling 100+ year club :/

 

[gringo2011]

Ones a grand finalist and the other is a struggling 100+ year club :/

yeah unfortunately their depth squad looks better than our firsts.

 

[Sab22]

yeah unfortunately their depth squad looks better than our firsts.

Difference between Jack's and Rory's

 

[George]

Lets keep the discussion focused on the coaching please guys & gals

 

[Ads734]

So I noticed Sydney with about 5-6 minutes to go had Papley, Hewitt and hesnet starting the in centre circle for the bounce.
Hewitt - 2013 draft
Heeny 2014
Papley -2016

I’d appreciate hue that all except maybe hesnet were drafted as flankers who became mids. Sounds familiar ?
So why on earth does it take a blue moon for one of Acres or gresh to play there. Let alone dare I say it together . If it’s good enough for Sydney should be good enough for us.

 

[John Bonney]

Geary will win the centre clearence...push it forward..chip and chase it..mark the ball and then kick the goal from 65 metres!

 

[Tyrian Loinstar]

If adelaide can tweaked their game in one week, why cant we adjust to our new defence structure from the pre-season?

I know we got some new players and not experienced players like adelaide but mostly all our defenders are experienced.

Leadership and lack there of.

 

[Saintanne]

If adelaide can tweaked their game in one week, why cant we adjust to our new defence structure from the pre-season?

I know we got some new players and not experienced players like adelaide but mostly all our defenders are experienced.

I heard Danny Frawley say before the game that he’d like to see Pyke change things up a bit. Wonder if he’d suggest such a novel idea to Richo.

 

[gringo2011]

So I noticed Sydney with about 5-6 minutes to go had Papley, Hewitt and hesnet starting the in centre circle for the bounce.
Hewitt - 2013 draft
Heeny 2014
Papley -2016

I’d appreciate hue that all except maybe hesnet were drafted as flankers who became mids. Sounds familiar ?
So why on earth does it take a blue moon for one of Acres or gresh to play there. Let alone dare I say it together . If it’s good enough for Sydney should be good enough for us.

It helps that Heaney is a freak and they got him for nothing. Papley was classed as elite by champion data and Hewitt looks a good solid B grader. Gresham is usually chucked on a wing when we are already riding a sinking ship. I think Acres must struggle to stick to team plans or runs one way still or something. There is no coach on earth dumb enough not to use their better players in positions that work surely.

 

[Ads734]

Ye

It helps that Heaney is a freak and they got him for nothing. Papley was classed as elite by champion data and Hewitt looks a good solid B grader. Gresham is usually chucked on a wing when we are already riding a sinking ship. I think Acres must struggle to stick to team plans or runs one way still or something. There is no coach on earth dumb enough not to use their better players in positions that work surely.

a the kind of coach who plays your best inside midfielder on the wing and your best winger in the forward line ...

 

[triggering bro]

It helps that Heaney is a freak and they got him for nothing. Papley was classed as elite by champion data and Hewitt looks a good solid B grader. Gresham is usually chucked on a wing when we are already riding a sinking ship. I think Acres must struggle to stick to team plans or runs one way still or something. There is no coach on earth dumb enough not to use their better players in positions that work surely.

I’m sure we’ve all worked with people & thought “why the **** do they do that dumb shit. It makes zero sense & is counter productive “. The coaching industry at all levels is no different imo.

 

[St_Laz]

A few points:
- Roo wrote a book where he was very honest about many topics and people. He also let fly about Seaford recently. No evidence of fractured relationship or non-backing of the coach shown.

- Good article about Sandy, but as far as reeling off players who haven’t broken into the team. There is a strong possibility that these guys just aren’t good enough to make the grade. We’ve all seen Wright, Mackenzie, Lonie and Minch play. If guys can’t get or dispose of the ball in an AFL-quality manner then unfortunately they may just not make it. That is a not a StKilda coaching issue by default, every team gets picks wrong and players that eventually get cut.

- If everything else remained the same this year, but we had beat the Roos, none of this conversation would’ve been happening. It’s gone a little fire and brimstone pretty quickly. Factor in horrible kicking at goal (which has been acknowledged and plan put in place to improve, hasn’t paid off yet obviously.) We’ve kicked 19.40 over last 3 weeks. Turn that around and suddenly score lines don’t look so bad.

 

[NotITK]

Inaccurate goal kicking has been an issue for a long time now, can’t keep going off “Turn that around, we will be alright”.... WE will be waiting a long time

 

[Ads734]

It helps that Heaney is a freak and they got him for nothing. Papley was classed as elite by champion data and Hewitt looks a good solid B grader. Gresham is usually chucked on a wing when we are already riding a sinking ship. I think Acres must struggle to stick to team plans or runs one way still or something. There is no coach on earth dumb enough not to use their better players in positions that work surely.

Gringo being a freak isn’t the point what I’m saying is he played 3 young players at the same time on the ball when the game was tight. Try the equivalent of Ross acres and grrsh. Today count how many times you see a player the board had spoken about playing in the centre circle eg
-gresh
-acres
-long
-Clarke
-coff
Etc
Then count how many times they play on the ball togethet

 

[Gherkin]

So I noticed Sydney with about 5-6 minutes to go had Papley, Hewitt and hesnet starting the in centre circle for the bounce.
Hewitt - 2013 draft
Heeny 2014
Papley -2016

I’d appreciate hue that all except maybe hesnet were drafted as flankers who became mids. Sounds familiar ?
So why on earth does it take a blue moon for one of Acres or gresh to play there. Let alone dare I say it together . If it’s good enough for Sydney should be good enough for us.

plugger66 said we can’t kick Steven ross Dunstan out of the midfield for anyone else though

 

[Gherkin]

It helps that Heaney is a freak and they got him for nothing. Papley was classed as elite by champion data and Hewitt looks a good solid B grader. Gresham is usually chucked on a wing when we are already riding a sinking ship. I think Acres must struggle to stick to team plans or runs one way still or something. There is no coach on earth dumb enough not to use their better players in positions that work surely.

Hewitt is bloody ordinary tbh absolute plodder

 

[Mikka84]

A few points:
- Roo wrote a book where he was very honest about many topics and people. He also let fly about Seaford recently. No evidence of fractured relationship or non-backing of the coach shown.

- Good article about Sandy, but as far as reeling off players who haven’t broken into the team. There is a strong possibility that these guys just aren’t good enough to make the grade. We’ve all seen Wright, Mackenzie, Lonie and Minch play. If guys can’t get or dispose of the ball in an AFL-quality manner then unfortunately they may just not make it. That is a not a StKilda coaching issue by default, every team gets picks wrong and players that eventually get cut.

- If everything else remained the same this year, but we had beat the Roos, none of this conversation would’ve been happening. It’s gone a little fire and brimstone pretty quickly. Factor in horrible kicking at goal (which has been acknowledged and plan put in place to improve, hasn’t paid off yet obviously.) We’ve kicked 19.40 over last 3 weeks. Turn that around and suddenly score lines don’t look so bad.

But we did lose to the Roos by 10 goals in horrific display. We did lose to Adelaide in a lacklustre display by 10 goals. We did lose to a very weakened Geelong side. We are the lowest scoring team this year and have kicked 19.40 as you point out. We haven’t had the skills or set shot accuracy for a number of years. Is it the cattle we have? Maybe. But that’s more of a concern than anything.

The coaching panel has yet to show any form of intuition of strategy. The players have show next to no unity. But we should sit back and not worry or express our concerns?

 

[gringo2011]

Gringo being a freak isn’t the point what I’m saying is he played 3 young players at the same time on the ball when the game was tight. Try the equivalent of Ross acres and grrsh. Today count how many times you see a player the board had spoken about playing in the centre circle eg
-gresh
-acres
-long
-Clarke
-coff
Etc
Then count how many times they play on the ball togethet

Heaney is ten times any of our players you mentioned though. He's proper A grade already and probably going to be elite. Acres isn't a kid any more, I love him but he is the same age as Bont a premiership AA and Paddy Cripps an AA who has had a year out with a knee. He might make the jump but he might just be a frustratingly talented but inconsistent player. He hasn't exactly lacked games in his development, perhaps consistency of position but perhaps that's what they are trying to develop him as.

Clark, Long, Coff haven't played 10 games between them, it would be cruel to throw them to the wolves. Gresham has had fits and starts in the midfield but usually when we are already gone and late in games. Perhaps they don't think he's shown enough or they figure you don't take the only guy likely to score away from the goals.

Even the Sinclair wing stuff, his disposal was very good last year but with newness and him we don't get huge amounts of ball and both are on the slower side for wing men. We really need a Hill brother just gliding through at top pace. Perhaps they think Acres might be able to exploit his run there. Sinclair looks like natural rover but we are so packed with inside types we can't use him there so he's plonked in a forward flank which is really just another wing man these days. He's having a bad year with his hands getting a bit fumbly for the first time which pressures his disposal because he can't balance first.

 

[gringo2011]

But we did lose to the Roos by 10 goals in horrific display. We did lose to Adelaide in a lacklustre display by 10 goals. We did lose to a very weakened Geelong side. We are the lowest scoring team this year and have kicked 19.40 as you point out. We haven’t had the skills or set shot accuracy for a number of years. Is it the cattle we have? Maybe. But that’s more of a concern than anything.

The coaching panel has yet to show any form of intuition of strategy. The players have show next to no unity. But we should sit back and not worry or express our concerns?

The Roos game was a shocker, it should have been about a 5 goal loss in the end but they threw in the towel and offered no resistance at all. It was an absolutely horrible display of laziness. It was like they expected to win and were waiting for Riewoldt or someone to regroup them and start to focus again. They just shat the bed.

The inaccuracy is a funny thing, I remember Port Adelaide in the Primus era was like that, it just ran through the club like gastro. Guys like Butcher and Westhoff would be 25 meters directly in front and shank them. Shannon Motlop would make the easy look hard.

 

[Saintbloke]

If players are fumbling, lost confidence etc, you drop them back to the VFL to work on their game. Too many players are playing ordinary footy but keep getting games. If we get a thrashing today, then the doors should be open to bring in younger players at all costs and give them a taste.. and give Richo the boot too.

 

[gringo2011]

If players are fumbling, lost confidence etc, you drop them back to the VFL to work on their game. Too many players are playing ordinary footy but keep getting games. If we get a thrashing today, then the doors should be open to bring in younger players at all costs and give them a taste.. and give Richo the boot too.

the problem is that balance. We don't have a spare to come in and play Sincs role. Koby is out indefinitely, Armo could perhaps but he looked really up against it last time he played. Lonie is probably competing for that role but closer to goal, Bleach maybe but he was poo last year too. We just have too many inside stodgy players and even they are dropping like flies.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Whereas Gilbee seemed a little out of his depth.

In a thread full of hyperbole, that is a massive understatement

 

[borderbarry]

The name of the game is player turn-over. When we pick a dud we are reluctant to get rid of him. We still have, Wright, Lonie, Minchington, on our lists, each of whom should have been well gone, with others.

 

[sunny3193]

Totally agree and I think thats why others are frustrated also, as surely the club was aware how dysfunctional the union has been.

We blame the development coaches but our lack of a stand alone has stymied all development of the VFL players.

You only have to look to Lewis Pierce's progress this year at Frankston when he has had the opportunity to play as the No 1 ruckman.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-20/forgotten-saint-ready-to-put-his-name-forward

Wrong analogy.
Pierce would have had problems last year irrespective of stand alone or Sandringham.
Too many rucks, not enough roles.
But I get your drift.