Coaching Staff Eye on our Coaching (Ratten, Lade, Batchelor, Slater sign on)

[gringo2011]

The name of the game is player turn-over. When we pick a dud we are reluctant to get rid of him. We still have, Wright, Lonie, Minchington, on our lists, each of whom should have been well gone, with others.

I think some got contract extensions just to get a minimum cap spend up. It probably kept them at the expense of some who got less chances. If the article was right those guys have probably been mishandled through their careers too. Both have shown promise only to get shelved when they start to get any consistency up.

 

[VDS66]

Wrong analogy.
Pierce would have had problems last year irrespective of stand alone or Sandringham.
Too many rucks, not enough roles.
But I get your drift.

Ruck and roles... Live it.

 

[sunny3193]

In a thread full of hyperbole, that is a massive understatement

I can hyperbole.
My hyperbole is so hyperbolic it brings smiles to the faces of angels.

 

[sunny3193]

In a thread full of hyperbole, that is a massive understatement

Seriously, sounds like you might have experienced a couple of qtr and three qtr addresses.
Square peg in a round hole.

 

[St_Laz]

But we did lose to the Roos by 10 goals in horrific display. We did lose to Adelaide in a lacklustre display by 10 goals. We did lose to a very weakened Geelong side. We are the lowest scoring team this year and have kicked 19.40 as you point out. We haven’t had the skills or set shot accuracy for a number of years. Is it the cattle we have? Maybe. But that’s more of a concern than anything.

The coaching panel has yet to show any form of intuition of strategy. The players have show next to no unity. But we should sit back and not worry or express our concerns?

There are obviously things to fix. The point is there’s a difference between “worrying and expressing concerns” and “let’s boycott games after 4 rounds to try to get coach fired”.

If we kicked straight and lost those games by 25 points instead of 40-50 there would be hardly any talk.

 

[Mikka84]

There are obviously things to fix. The point is there’s a difference between “worrying and expressing concerns” and “let’s boycott games after 4 rounds to try to get coach fired”.

If we kicked straight and lost those games by 25 points instead of 40-50 there would be hardly any talk.

No, agree with that. Boycott might be a tad far. Although today felt like it. Noise was actually ok from the Saints fans today.

 

[StCicatriz]

the movement inside 50 is our biggest concern. if there's one person we need, its leigh tudor. throw the money at him to be the forwards line coach.

 

[CHBench]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-04-21/full-postmatch-saints

4mins in.

In response to "did the players have any input into plans for this game?"

Richo stumbles and thinks about his words, then says there was a stronger sense from the players where they said we are ready to be trusted. He mentions he may have been too conservative with his match ups over the last few weeks. He "trusted" White with the match up on Griffin today.

Younger ones feeling empowered to make that step up now? A fair few of them had season best games, a couple career best...

 

[Diehard Saint]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-04-21/full-postmatch-saints

4mins in.

In response to "did the players have any input into plans for this game?"

Richo stumbles and thinks about his words, then says there was a stronger sense from the players where they said we are ready to be trusted. He mentions he may have been too conservative with his match ups over the last few weeks. He "trusted" White with the match up on Griffin today.

Younger ones feeling empowered to make that step up now? A fair few of them had season best games, a couple career best...

Sounds like there might have been a little "in house mutiny" from the players. Good for them. They're the ones out there, let them have some input and own it too. As certain commentators have been saying, they look like they've been over coached. Glad the coaching staff seem to have taken it on board a bit.

Much like parenting, the kids can't take a step forward unless the parent takes a step back...and look what happened when they did.

 

[Sab22]

Those 3 back to back to back goals by Giants is a factor in us not being able to win.

 

[Impatient Saint]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-04-21/full-postmatch-saints

4mins in.

In response to "did the players have any input into plans for this game?"

Richo stumbles and thinks about his words, then says there was a stronger sense from the players where they said we are ready to be trusted. He mentions he may have been too conservative with his match ups over the last few weeks. He "trusted" White with the match up on Griffin today.

Younger ones feeling empowered to make that step up now? A fair few of them had season best games, a couple career best...

Trusting and backing certain younger players has been an issue for Richo for the time he has been at the club. Its strange for a bloke known as a good player developer.

Hopefully the penny drops for Richo that he needs to listen to and involve all those in his game planning. If the players dont believe in the plan eg the North, Crows & Cats games you get a jaded effort which is exactly what they delivered.

 

[Savage Kent]

Trusting and backing certain younger players has been an issue for Richo for the time he has been at the club. Its strange for a bloke known as a good player developer.

Hopefully the penny drops for Richo that he needs to listen to and involve all those in his game planning. If the players dont believe in the plan eg the North, Crows & Cats games you get a jaded effort which is exactly what they delivered.

Think you are onto something. My feeling from an outsider's perspective is that Richo has a tendency to be a micro manager whether it be with players or the assistant coaches. I remember reading an article where one of the areas that was identified as an area that he needed to work on was to learn to take on board alternate coaching moves brought up by the other assistants during game day and not completely overriding them.

As is the case in any workplace, micro management gives employees or team members a sense of a lack of trust given by management, therefore a jaded effort. Might be best to let the players play more on instinct, especially the ones who play on flair while also having a balance with the non-negotiables such as effort and application.

 

[SaintLuko]

Sounds like there might have been a little "in house mutiny" from the players. Good for them. They're the ones out there, let them have some input and own it too. As certain commentators have been saying, they look like they've been over coached. Glad the coaching staff seem to have taken it on board a bit.

Much like parenting, the kids can't take a step forward unless the parent takes a step back...and look what happened when they did.

Simon Lethlean mentioned on SEN before the game something similar, that the players spoke to the coaching staff early in the week about playing a more Saints brand of footy and wanted to own it. In really showed in our effort today!

 

[StCicatriz]

Sounds like there might have been a little "in house mutiny" from the players. Good for them. They're the ones out there, let them have some input and own it too. As certain commentators have been saying, they look like they've been over coached. Glad the coaching staff seem to have taken it on board a bit.

Much like parenting, the kids can't take a step forward unless the parent takes a step back...and look what happened when they did.

if the administration of the club can't pick up on what that means then they never will know

there's nothing wrong with players setting a standard and being consulted/worked with

but for it to be that dramatic 5 seasons in

read the tea leaves ffs

 

[VDS66]

Kudos to all parties working it out with some frank discussions.

All in house. As it should be.

 

[St_Laz]

Some confirmation from Lethlean about the players discussions during the week. Presumably the full discussion is on the Crunchtime Podcast.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/04/21/lethlean-the-st-kilda-players-now-have-to-own-it/

 

[Impatient Saint]

Some confirmation from Lethlean about the players discussions during the week. Presumably the full discussion is on the Crunchtime Podcast.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/04/21/lethlean-the-st-kilda-players-now-have-to-own-it/

Great article its reads to me like Lethlean facilitated the player/coaches meeting which is a positive. Suggests he has an understanding of the game and whats motivates players.

 

[Joffaboy]

if the administration of the club can't pick up on what that means then they never will know

there's nothing wrong with players setting a standard and being consulted/worked with

but for it to be that dramatic 5 seasons in

read the tea leaves ffs

Oh Jesus Christ. FFS it was a consultative process.

But bag the shit out of something you know FA about.

Your negativity is incredible

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[PaddysurDaddy]

never doubted the freckle. all you deserters make me sick. sign him up for life i say. as long as he keeps on letting our players run the team he's doing his job

 

[sonnywalters]

So the players self-coaching was more effective than Richo coaching?

Maybe we should pay Richo to go on holidays?

 

[plugger66]

So the players self-coaching was more effective than Richo coaching?

Maybe we should pay Richo to go on holidays?

Of course he didn’t coach because we nearly won and the haters couldn’t give just a little praise. By the way those who didn’t like where players were selected did we line up exactly like that. Anyway well done richo. Even the Carlisle the only one you have apparently was nearly the perfect move.


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[St_Laz]

Lethlean interview link

https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/crunch-time/id1198118670?mt=2&i=1000409441632

 

[Saintbloke]

From Richos' comments after the game about players getting more input into that game, just proves to me what I have suspected about players not being able to play their natural game and being over-coached. Hopefully Richo will give the players a bit more freedom to be more attacking- it almost came off yesterday, sadly sloppy ball use didn't help.

 

[Baldur]

Better but NOT good

Have six forwards, keep at least one & often two in attacking positions. Trust the mids to win the ball. Seems simple, but I doubt it is.

Manage a draw with GWS. Should have won if our kicking into the 50 & at goal was not dreadful.

But one game does not a season make. It was not one game, no not even the Norf game, in fact the Cats game worried me more. It was the combined effect of poor performance after poor performance that turned me into a doubter.

If we remain competitive for the rest of the year and I see improvement in our continuing issues, then I will be

 

[VDS66]

OK we can switch off the spotlight for a week and save some electricity...