Autopsy Geelong loses to Doggies by 16 points // Rd 16 2019

[Jhye Clark 13]

For all those saying we will crack under pressure:

It’s a 27 week season, EVERY TEAM has downturns.

Sorry but the bulldogs had more to play for.

As long as we peak in September, I don’t really care about what happened last night.

We played like s**t last night. But a team that won a flag only 3 years ago on their home track could only beat us by less than 3 goals.

To me there is a lot of upside.

The signs have been there for 7 weeks.

Last night I was in a prime position to watch football. I saw;

- Dangerfield showboating and playing for himself
- Ablett playing with no care factor. I lost count at the number of times he failed to chase his opponent.
- Guthrie (see Ablett)
- We're trying to fit 8 or 9 defenders into the one team and we're not balanced.
- Hawkins doesn't lead which is why we play a bat shit boring style of football
- If Sav's out we should be playing Buzza and tell him to crash packs
- Atkins time is up. He's limited as a player and if he's not applying pressure he's useless
- I've never seen a team fluff so many certain goals. We are too unselfish. Players need to back themselves in.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I think our problems run a bit deeper than just one player not performing. Taking Guthrie out of there and replacing him with Menegola will certainly help, but we have some big issues unfortunately. We just crumble when a massive amount of heat is applied. Players like Duncan, Guthrie and Tuohy look a million dollars when under no pressure, but watch them fall like a deck of cards when the heat comes. Turnovers galore, hot potato handballs to team mates under extreme pressure and flat footed. When the Dogs lifter their intensity in the last quarter, we crumbled. This is a side 11th on the ladder.

We were the hunter for the first few weeks, now it seems we are again the hunted and we don't know how to deal with it. Richmond will destroy us in a final at the MCG, and unlike a few weeks ago, we won't get to play their VFL side this time around.

I feel like I've become one of those melting, negative posters, but hey, maybe I'm just being realistic and I sure as hell won't be disappointed in September because I think I know what the outcome will be unfortunately. But maybe I can live in fantasy land and put it down to "heavy training load".

Of course but it only takes one midfielder to play without care for the whole system to fall down. Get him out before it's too late.

And dare I say it but Clark was the only player on the ground last night that gave 100% for the full game. He's our youngest player.

 

[feelinfeline]

This is a side 11th on the ladder.

Anyone can beat anyone this year, as has been proven again and again. Geelong supporters seem to think we should be above this (we aren't).

At their best the Bulldogs can trouble anyone. They still have the core of the premiership team, and a very dangerous new young forward in Naughton. They weren't at their best skills-wise last night, but their pressure was.

Plenty of concerns, but it's up to the coaches and the MC to address them. If they don't, yes, we can expect the worst.

 

[MacStradbroke]

I've read multiple Dangerfield was poor posts...please people.

I thought they took control in the third when he was stuck forward.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Kicked our goals early cats would had won.
Also Ablett handballs but gets called a throw bulldogs go forward and goals. Was a game changer.

Cancelled out by Bont being tackled by Selwood, which was called holding the ball, but the replay showed he had got his foot to the ball. Selwood got a goal out of that.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Anyone can beat anyone this year, as has been proven again and again. Geelong supporters seem to think we should be above this (we aren't).

At their best the Bulldogs can trouble anyone. They still have the core of the premiership team, and a very dangerous new young forward in Naughton. They weren't at their best skills-wise last night, but their pressure was.

Plenty of concerns, but it's up to the coaches and the MC to address them. If they don't, yes, we can expect the worst.

Yes I agree with that, such is the competition this year. My concern is the way we lose and the same players that crumble under pressure. The coaches and MC have made mistakes, but they can't go out there and play the game for them.

Teams like Richmond and Collingwood at their best will apply much more pressure than the Dogs did last night when it counts. We won't be able to deal with it. The Dogs were putrid for 3 quarters, lets not pretend they put on a football clinic. The took it up a gear in the last and we crumbled.

The good sides will apply that manic pressure for an entire game in September, not one quarter like the Dogs did last night.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Of course but it only takes one midfielder to play without care for the whole system to fall down. Get him out before it's too late.

And dare I say it but Clark was the only player on the ground last night that gave 100% for the full game. He's our youngest player.

I have stuck up for Guthrie in the past. You can officially take me out of the Guthrie fan club. He's no good under pressure and weak around the contest. I've finally seen it. But hey, like a few of his mates, he'll look like a million dollars when we play the Saints this week in GEELONG. When we beat them by 10+ goals we can pretend everything is alright again.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I've read multiple Dangerfield was poor posts...please people.

I thought they took control in the third when he was stuck forward.

Danger is far too invested in the self to have a positive impact on this team. He needs to remove the showboating and self interests from his game and get back to basics ... he can start by going for the ball with both hands and becoming more team focused. He spends far too much time looking at himself on the big screen.

 

[cynical]

outside of the usual structural problems which anyone with half a brain knows about

another big problem with this team is just becoming overly defensive, when we play too defensively we just can no longer score

forwards cant do anything when the backs and mids are chipping it around the boundary line

when it comes to Guthrie he is a limited player but he also needs fast ball movement like a lot of the other smaller players

 

[lionbear]

The signs have been there for 7 weeks.

Last night I was in a prime position to watch football. I saw;

- Dangerfield showboating and playing for himself
- Ablett playing with no care factor. I lost count at the number of times he failed to chase his opponent.
- Guthrie (see Ablett)
- We're trying to fit 8 or 9 defenders into the one team and we're not balanced.
- Hawkins doesn't lead which is why we play a bat s**t boring style of football
- If Sav's out we should be playing Buzza and tell him to crash packs
- Atkins time is up. He's limited as a player and if he's not applying pressure he's useless
- I've never seen a team fluff so many certain goals. We are too unselfish. Players need to back themselves in.

If you are saying this in round 22 I will agree with you, but it’s early July, we are games clear, experimenting and developing plan B’s is what happens in this situation.

Last night David King declares West Cost 2019 premiers, a team only a few weeks ago we destroyed.

Win or lose in September, last nights game and the games in this middle part of the year will have nothing to do with it.

 

[feelinfeline]

The Dogs were putrid for 3 quarters, lets not pretend they put on a football clinic. The took it up a gear in the last and we crumbled.

The good sides will apply that manic pressure for an entire game in September, not one quarter like the Dogs did last night.

I don't agree they were putrid for three quarters. Their pressure was good for quarters two and three but their skills were poor (as were ours).

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

I don't agree they were putrid for three quarters. Their pressure was good for quarters two and three but their skills were poor (as were ours).

We all see it differently I guess. I would say a team that can't execute basic skills and continually turns the ball over is poor. But that's just me.

 

[Spazz Cat]

outside of the usual structural problems which anyone with half a brain knows about

another big problem with this team is just becoming overly defensive, when we play too defensively we just can no longer score

forwards cant do anything when the backs and mids are chipping it around the boundary line

when it comes to Guthrie he is a limited player but he also needs fast ball movement like a lot of the other smaller players

This is true. Not much the defenders can do though when there's no big target to kick to they can rely on to bring it to ground though.
They have to rely on a mid to run and create space then rely on their foot skills to hit them, which for some players is just to risky. So chip, chip.
Like you said this hurts the smaller players. Ablett has no-one to crumb off, pressure players can't apply pressure cause they don't know where the ball is going to be.
They have to be providing a target themselves.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

If you are saying this in round 22 I will agree with you, but it’s early July, we are games clear, experimenting and developing plan B’s is what happens in this situation.

Last night David King declares West Cost 2019 premiers, a team only a few weeks ago we destroyed.

Win or lose in September, last nights game and the games in this middle part of the year will have nothing to do with it.

Sorry but you don't flirt with form. The NAB cup, pre-season and the early rounds are the times to develop plan B's.

Something Scott said three weeks ago made me cringe and I knew from that moment the players mindsets would change as a result. They've become complacent.

'We thought we were a chance to start the year 0-7.' You can take anything you want from that comment but if I were a player hearing that I'd think we've exceeded the coaches expectations and anything now is a bonus. In a game that's played above the shoulders that was a telling comment imo.

 

[Warhorse]

Danger is far too invested in the self to have a positive impact on this team. He needs to remove the showboating and self interests from his game and get back to basics ... he can start by going for the ball with both hands and becoming more team focused. He spends far too much time looking at himself on the big screen.

If anyone else had defensive running as poor as Dangerfield they would be dropped. Doesn't even try and put pressure on the opposition when they have the ball and just jogs along. Plus he turns into a ball butcher in finals.

 

[Spazz Cat]

If you are saying this in round 22 I will agree with you, but it’s early July, we are games clear, experimenting and developing plan B’s is what happens in this situation.

Last night David King declares West Cost 2019 premiers, a team only a few weeks ago we destroyed.

Win or lose in September, last nights game and the games in this middle part of the year will have nothing to do with it.

What is the plan B we were trying though that you saw?
I couldn't see it myself but I hardly know about this sort of stuff.
I preety much saw the same mids doing the same things, defenders as forwards like previous years.
If we tried some crazy shit and lost fair enough cool. We might learn some things we didn't know before.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

If anyone else had defensive running as poor as Dangerfield they would be dropped. Doesn't even try and put pressure on the opposition when they have the ball and just jogs along. Plus he turns into a ball butcher in finals.

There were two blokes last night that were even poorer defensively. There names were Gary Ablett and Cameron Guthrie.

There's our main issue. All 3 were playing midfield for large chunks of the night and Bontempelli, McCrae and Dunkley carved us up as a result.

 

[thegerman]

In hindsight of that game, I really thought we'd seen Duncan's worst. How wrong was I.


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[romeohwho]

If anyone else had defensive running as poor as Dangerfield they would be dropped. Doesn't even try and put pressure on the opposition when they have the ball and just jogs along. Plus he turns into a ball butcher in finals.

Had the most tackles in the team. Played well despite looking a bit hampered still. He’s the least of our problems I’d have thought. Not perfect but gives his absolute all, if not his best, every week and tries hard to turn things when we are down.

 

[Mahlepi]

We were playing well early this season because of structures, and at the moment we are trying a few things out.

However it is aparent we need another tall forward, dont care who it is but just get them in there.

Defence needs to be settled. Bews adds something we lack and has dash. I domnt want 2e in defence any longer as he is average. Clarko has shown a lot on the wing, and looks like he has overtaken 2 e.

The mids need to be rotated but we have issues with menegola out, partfitt down on form, and chook not there. Fogarty has not done enough to hold his spot.

The rucks. We persist in not getting a decent one, despite it being our achilles.

Scooter comes in for 2 weeks for us to see if he adds to this team, and before menegola is back.
We drop or rotate a defender each game. We bring in another ruck, i would try smith and stanley for 2 weeks.

yesterday was the worst game. crap and more crap. anyone there who wasnt bored is a very good person.

 

[Mahlepi]

In hindsight of that game, I really thought we'd seen Duncan's worst. How wrong was I.


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something is up with duncan because for 5 weeks he is missing targets by foot
really weird

 

[catscratchfever]

I was at the game last night. Horrible stuff from both teams up until 3/4 time, but you could see that the goals were eventually going to come for the Doggies just by the way they were able to more easily run the ball out of their backline the further the game went on. They killed us around the ball and in the air and seemed way quicker overall. Delivery into our forward line was atrocious.

Stewart, Guthrie, Miers poor. Rohan ok but he cost us with some of his missed shots, as did others. Dalhaus tried hard as usual. Stanley ok, Ablett had no effect, neither did Dangerfield, Joel or TK. Defence ok but the Doggies were a lot better at consistently punching high kicks into their defensive 50.

That's 2 out of 3 recent games where Geelong has appeared tired or not switched on or... not good enough. I shudder to think what the like of the Eagles would have done to us tonight

P.S. I think we're a much, much better team with Sav - he is our talisman, I can't remember too many games (if any) that he's played out where Geelong hasn't won.

 

[thegerman]

something is up with duncan because for 5 weeks he is missing targets by foot
really weird

His handball to Guthrie who was 2m from him, which flew 1-2 metres over his head was laughable.

So not just his foot skills.


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[romeohwho]

something is up with duncan because for 5 weeks he is missing targets by foot
really weird

I reckon he had a few weeks like that last year then picked up and played well. Was good earlier this year. Needs to lift- important to our structure.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Danger is far too invested in the self to have a positive impact on this team. He needs to remove the showboating and self interests from his game and get back to basics ... he can start by going for the ball with both hands and becoming more team focused. He spends far too much time looking at himself on the big screen.

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