Autopsy Geelong loses to PA in QF2 by about 6 goals.

[ninjahcat]

And that's how you should rebuild.

If you throw all the youngsters to the wolves it gets you nowhere. We would end up just like Carlton or Gold Coast or Melbourne of a decade ago.

Throwing a bunch of kids in has never worked. You slowly introduce a handful of kids each year and surround them with senior bodies and teach them the right professionalism and structure.

Why do you think so many clubs are so s**t for so long despite having an abundance of high draft picks? Those kids don't just lose their talent; They aren't developed properly. Bad habits are taught, the clubs culture is broken etc.

Look at what Port have done; 3 young kids in one year, then Georgiadis and Bergman a year later.

Thats how you do it.

okay perhaps I should have worded it better, he will KEEP playing Dahlhaus and Higgins next year and then only slowly work them out of the team. I’m not asking for wholesale change because you could see how much we were getting from our older guys even last year (finals non performers aside).

Because that’s how he can save face when the evidence points to these guys being past their use by date. And because he loves his EXPERIENCED players.

repeat non performers need to be shown the door or retired in the VFL.

this year, Holmes got some game time as a clearly favored youngster. And I’m fine with that, but Dahlhaus and Higgins selections just mystifies and we could arguably have made the team stronger by giving evans and perhaps Jarvis more game time.

 

[Scottland2007]

Watching genuine young talent develop is much more fun than getting flogged in finals year in and year out.

This. I enjoyed 04 05 and 06 more than the last 5 years. Why? Because I could sense something was brewing. The last few years have been “we just need a ruckman” “we just need pace off the backline” it’s never arrived.

 

[cats_09]

These votes tell you everything you need to know. You don’t even need to watch the game to know what went wrong.

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At least the opposition ruck isn't in the votes which has often happened in the past when we've lost

 

[Romeoh1]

I must say as much as I hope we come out and win this week, anyone else nervous that we all kind of just expect it to happen? A lot of us have said the same thing: We'll win this week, probably look great and we'll get the hopes up and it'll be rubbish again in the prelim. The club seems to follow a script to the tune of an emotional roller coaster.

I don't know what it is, but I've got a feeling it could end this week. Something feels a little different.

The last 2 finals series haven’t actually been bad- last year - respectable loss to port in adelaide in first final ( they were top, we were 4th), flogged pies. Then tigers too good in gf.
2019 only actually lost by 10 points in first final to pies. Flogged wc. Richmond too good in prelim.
I don’t just ‘expect’ it to happen this week. I think it will happen because we will be better than the giants.
Nonetheless, we are not in great shape- have had a pretty tough run with injuries and that has impacted on us and pretty unlucky to lose our best player.
When you look at Melbourne- Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, Lever, May-all at the top of their game,and so many others have elevated their game to career best footy- Fritsch, Salem, Langdon and on it goes. Who is at the top of their game in our team? It’s amazing we were so close to beating them the other week.

 

[Scottland2007]

If there was only those 2 options, constantly finishing top 4 yet making nothing of it, and usually with embarrassing showings like last night, or complete rejuvenation of the list and playing a 25 with average age below 25, I'd pick the latter. There's hope there, whereas the former gives none IMO.
Of course winning a flag completely justifies the current direction of the club, just one flag and it's all been worth it. But time is running out (or for some, run out) and now we look to be facing a future where we spent all these years trying for a flag and failing, and facing a rejuvenation without any kind of draft haul or rookies to warrant any hope in that future.
This might be the pessimism in me, but if we do drop from next year (which I think is absolutely our last chance, and likely be when Selwood and Hawkins leave us) I reckon it'll be 5-8 years before we even get to the point of having a bulk of quality young players.
Wells has shown he can do it quickly but even if there was a super draft like 2001 or 1999 hauls, we don't have the currency to take advantage unless we trade out a whole heap of players with value, which I can't see happening.

The other factor as you mentioned is the super draft. I don’t know about Geelong but there’s been very little football played in Melbourne over the last two years. It’s highly unlikely the next batch of superstars will be from Vic or Sydney.

 

[Scottland2007]

It was. Our official Jump the Shark moment was the day we got Mitch Clark though.
Everything we worked hard to build was then officially thrown in the bin.

Hamish Macintosh. It was when we wouldn’t give Mark Blake a game and recruited a broken down north reject

 

[Vdubs]

The last 2 finals series haven’t actually been bad- last year - respectable loss to port in adelaide in first final ( they were top, we were 4th), flogged pies. Then tigers too good in gf.
2019 only actually lost by 10 points in first final to pies. Flogged wc. Richmond too good in prelim.
I don’t just ‘expect’ it to happen this week. I think it will happen because we will be better than the giants.
Nonetheless, we are not in great shape- have had a pretty tough run with injuries and that has impacted on us and pretty unlucky to lose our best player.
When you look at Melbourne- Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, Lever, May-all at the top of their game,and so many others have elevated their game to career best footy- Fritsch, Salem, Langdon and on it goes. Who is at the top of their game in our team? It’s amazing we were so close to beating them the other week.

Great post. But are we actually better than GWS?
They had a horror start, came good; we were brilliant mid season, now having a horror finish, but player for player, they beat us at home with a depleted list, and we are more banged up now, so how are we actually better than them?

 

[Partridge]

The last 2 finals series haven’t actually been bad- last year - respectable loss to port in adelaide in first final ( they were top, we were 4th), flogged pies. Then tigers too good in gf.
2019 only actually lost by 10 points in first final to pies. Flogged wc. Richmond too good in prelim.
I don’t just ‘expect’ it to happen this week. I think it will happen because we will be better than the giants.

Don't forget we finished in top spot and they finished 4th. Doesn't matter what the margin was it was a bad loss.

Think you're right though, should be too good for GWS.

 

[Vdubs]

Don't forget we finished in top spot and they finished 4th. Doesn't matter what the margin was it was a bad loss.

Think you're right though, should be too good for GWS.

You are setting yourself up for more anger and misery; if you truly believe we are too good for them, great, but recent evidence is against that. But if you think we can get up, I am feeling a bit of confidence.

 

[My Tilly]

You are setting yourself up for more anger and misery; if you truly believe we are too good for them, great, but recent evidence is against that.

GWS haven't played Subiaco well in recent seasons. Not sure why but they seem to get exposed at that ground.
Geelong are not in good form at all so it's really one of those games where you are forced into looking at history and seldom rarely has Geelong lost 3 matches in a row. It would be a truly epic capitulation of the highest order if we exit in straight sets. This current list with a top 5 goal kicker of the last decade added to the forward line.

Over the past two seasons, Toby Greene has averaged 16 disposals & 4 goals against Geelong. Surely without him there, we do enough to get the win.

 

[Partridge]

You are setting yourself up for more anger and misery; if you truly believe we are too good for them, great, but recent evidence is against that.

In terms of our recent finals performances yes. But in 2021 terms, it's pretty stark. The home and away ladder:

3rd - Geelong - 16 wins, 6 losses, percentage 126.7
7th - GWS - 11 wins, 10 losses, 1 draw, percentage 99.7

There are absolutely no excuses. We have to win this.

 

[Footy Smarts]

At least the opposition ruck isn't in the votes which has often happened in the past when we've lost

Has it? Genuine question when have opposition rucks received votes against us in finals?

I can't remember any particularly dominant performances by them in recent times. Maybe Gawn in 2018 but I don't think he dominated? I know there's the myth that Grundy dominated us when we left Stanley out. I can't really think of any others having a big impact since Goldstein gave a young, raw Blicavs a lesson in the 2014 semi after McIntosh and Simpson were both injured.

 

[Romeoh1]

Great post. But are we actually better than GWS?
They had a horror start, came good; we were brilliant mid season, now having a horror finish, but player for player, they beat us at home with a depleted list, and we are more banged up now, so how are we actually better than them?

Well, we will find out. We won quite a few more games than them this year for a reason. We are more banged up now but they will be missing a few too. Their form has been very good lately but thought they were less convincing against the swans. I’m expecting us to play better than we did against port. ( wouldn’t be hard- pretty well every single player was down, so lots of room for improvement!). With regards to K.P, I haven’t been so confident of wins there for us this year. Our game is better suited to the bigger grounds now, like Optus. Or maybe, it’s just that good teams are giving us a run for our money down there now, and that tells us something too?

 

[Romeoh1]

Don't forget we finished in top spot and they finished 4th. Doesn't matter what the margin was it was a bad loss.

Think you're right though, should be too good for GWS.

Yep, but it was only a 1 game difference between 1st and 4th. Although we still should have won-agree on that.

 

[cats_09]

Has it? Genuine question when have opposition rucks received votes against us in finals?

I can't remember any particularly dominant performances by them in recent times. Maybe Gawn in 2018 but I don't think he dominated? I know there's the myth that Grundy dominated us when we left Stanley out. I can't really think of any others having a big impact since Goldstein gave a young, raw Blicavs a lesson in the 2014 semi after McIntosh and Simpson were both injured.

Who said anything about finals?

It was a post regarding our matches in general

 

[The rabbi]

I don't know if this has been posted earlier.
My apologies if so.

Sixteen Cats players fall short of pass mark: Geelong player ratings

AFL finals 2021: Geelong Cats player ratings vs Port Adelaide, Second Qualifying Final, reviews, stats, best and worst players (foxsports.com.au)

 

[Mad_Hatter]

I don't know if this has been posted earlier.
My apologies if so.

Sixteen Cats players fall short of pass mark: Geelong player ratings

AFL finals 2021: Geelong Cats player ratings vs Port Adelaide, Second Qualifying Final, reviews, stats, best and worst players (foxsports.com.au)

Reading that I cant say any are incorrect either.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Reading that I cant say any are incorrect either.

Selwood clearly too high, and Dangerfield clearly too low.

 

[Warhorse]

Selwood clearly too high, and Dangerfield clearly too low.

Both too high. Absolutely smashed in the middle. Dangerfield turned the ball over 9 times. Nearly as bad as his grand final last year.

 

[Seeds]

We did lose to a higher placed team at their home ground
we were not favourites

It was an even money game. only percentage seperated the two teams and we smacked them on their home ground earlier in the year. adelaide oval is a similar shape to kardinia park. We play that ground well.

 

[Seeds]

You could argue the coach *is* responsible for the lack of mental preparation/toughness that results in choking under finals pressure (year after year after year)..

And he is responsible for the turnovers cos its his game plan that causes them. Dont kick the ball around side ways when the other team is applying intense foward half pressure. He has no game plan b to deal with it.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

we should win this week and if we do we’d be in exactly the same place against the very same opponent had we finished on top

No we won’t. There’s no bye this year. We already look tired.
Needed to beat port to earn the rest.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

It was an even money game. only percentage seperated the two teams and we smacked them on their home ground earlier in the year. adelaide oval is a similar shape to kardinia park. We play that ground well.

Port? No we didn't. We won by 2 goals or so after being down 2 kicks early in the last and going bang bang bang bang in 5 minutes. Was an arm-wrestle all night.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Both too high. Absolutely smashed in the middle. Dangerfield turned the ball over 9 times. Nearly as bad as his grand final last year.

We did beat them 37-29 in the clearances and 15-3 in centre clearances.
We had plenty of issues, but can't say we were smashed in the middle.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

They kicked 12 goals for the game.

The source of 6 of them were uncontested errors. By that, I mean a player either dropped an uncontested mark (Henderson and Dangerfield), or missed a simple kick after a mark (Henry, Dangerfield, Guthrie and Blicavs).

Add in Kolo falling over when trying to defend (don't think he gets there anyway), Rohan running under the Footy and missing the entire contest, Kolo fumbling a ball below his knees directly to the opposition as controllable errors.

Then there's Kolo kicking to Rohan and Aliir one on one and Robbie Gray

9

Robbie Gray

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

13.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

's brilliant roving snap.

The last one I can't classify as anything other than comedy. Kolo and Hendo went to cover the same bloke (not Fantasia), so Orazio got out the back (in the 50) to the dangerous space. Riley Bonner

36

Riley Bonner

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.1

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

279.8

4star

D

12.3

3star

K

10.3

4star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

279.8

4star

D

21.4

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

sees him but miskicks, leading to a simple Henderson chop out, but he horrifically misjudges it and decides to palm it perfectly to Fantasia so he can run into the open goal.

**** that game pissed me off.