Preview Geelong V Carlton Sat July 29 2017 725 pm @ Etihad

[frggr]

So you are advising that Stanley had twice as many shots on goal as Buzza during their 2 games today—have a look at their total scoring contribution over those 2 games.

Stanley: 2 goals
Buzza: 2 goals, 1 behind.

Buzza seemed to take better advantage of his chances in front of goal while Stanley has been wasteful in front of goal this year—all good if he can get 6 shots on goal (double the chances) but he didn’t convert twice as many shots and is a liability as we just don’t know what we are going to get out of Stanley when he is selected.

Outside of actual goals scored - who do we think provides better opportunities for others to score?

Is Buzza bringing it to ground fact or fiction?
Does Stanley's ruck work set us up to score?

 

[ShaunWDT]

Stanley's ruck work is overrated, he's been absolutely monstered in the ruck on multiple occasions this year.

 

[00VicWard001]

lol think you forgot the set shot buzza kicked into the man on the mark 35 m out from goal. also missing the fact that in the two games they spent together stanley has 6 shots on goals whilst buzza only had 3 and this is despite the fact stanley only spent half of each game in thr forward line.

Yes, I did forget that.

I guess, I'm just trying to work out the MC's thinking on this.

Stanley's absence in the midfield (where he does his most impactful) is more likely to be covered by existing personnel.

Stanley's absence from the forward-line should be covered by Buzza's apparent increase in pressure and ability to compete, plus the inclusions that we have of three higher pressure players (Thurlow, Cockatoo and Parfitt).

Buzza has a simple task ahead of him. Compete and pressure. And do your best with accuracy at goals if you get the chance.

No doubt Stanley would thrive if he had the simple task that Buzza had and was ably supported by Taylor, Hawk, Parfitt et all.

However, there is a greater expectation on Stanley as he is a more senior player. So if he fluffs things up, there is also a greater scrutiny and a harsher punishment. I would assume that they are punishing him to a slight degree and also, like Thurlow, giving him a chance to work on his game in the VFL and come in at the end of the season to make a big impact.

 

[candiehappy]

After knowing Blicavs was going to miss I never would have picked that. They are rolling the dice here.

or maybe they are more confident that at least Buzza will have a crack, unlike Stanley who only turns up once every 6 or so games ...

 

[00VicWard001]

Second shmecond. We're 6 points ahead of 7th with a tricky run home and our % is ordinary. Furthermore our recent games not played in Geelong against finals/finals aspiring sides and Collingwood:

Loss by 21 to Adelaide (37 down at 3/4 time)
Drew with GWS who are going very poorly and badly injury depleted
Loss by 13 to WCE (34 down at 1/2 time and that was flattering)
Loss by 17 to Essendon (40 down at 3/4 time)
Loss by 25 to GC
Loss by 29 to Collingwood

Outside of that we fell in against an improved but still ordinary Hawthorn side missing as many if not more regulars than us needing a man on one leg to kick 36 of our 88 and even at home spent most of the day 4-5 goals down against Freo. We have been playing like absolute horse shit for way too long in other words so taking a risk to try and spark something is worth it.

Collingwood, GC and Essendon losses were due to a very different defensive structure AND turnovers in critical areas and at critical times and less than required effort from a few players. We rectified that and had some good wins straight after against better teams.

The WC loss - Scott Selwood got injured, as did Cockatoo. Hawkins was not playing. That had a significant impact. We still got very close.

The GWS draw... come on now. They had nearly their best 22 back at home. We had Selwood down, Menzel out on the warm up. We had debuts by Guthrie, Simpson and Buzza. That was a pretty good effort when most of us thought we'd lose badly.

Adelaide - our intensity at the start and taking our shots to make it competitive was not good enough early.

 

[Mr Meow]

Stanley's ruck work is overrated, he's been absolutely monstered in the ruck on multiple occasions this year.

Uh oh you've just invited a Seeds Stanley shitestorm.

 

[Tony Barber]

or maybe they are more confident that at least Buzza will have a crack, unlike Stanley who only turns up once every 6 or so games ...

I thought that smith and Stanley were both putrid last week.
And if buzza is any chance to make it, I'd prefer he just had one job. There's no way he's ready to be a mr fix it.

 

[00VicWard001]

Not sure if being sarcastic or not, so I'll err on the side of caution
If you can't handle an honest appraisal from your boss re: your performance, then you're not the the kind of employee I'd be looking for

I can't argue with this. However, I'm sure you are aware, there are different ways to give honest appraisal to different employees to get the most out of them.

 

[Brains Trust66]

Very raw, but already like the way he hits the packs with abandon and creates an uncertainty for opposition defenders not seen in many years.

He starts clunking a few, and we get a few smalls around his feet picking off the crumbs, and we might just be onto something

Even a Saints supporter like myself can he the benefits of playing Buzza over Stanley.

 

[Seeds]

So you are advising that Stanley had twice as many shots on goal as Buzza during their 2 games today—have a look at their total scoring contribution over those 2 games.

Stanley: 2 goals
Buzza: 2 goals, 1 behind.

Buzza seemed to take better advantage of his chances in front of goal while Stanley has been wasteful in front of goal this year—all good if he can get 6 shots on goal (double the chances) but he didn’t convert twice as many shots and is a liability as we just don’t know what we are going to get out of Stanley when he is selected.

kicking accuracy can easily be turned around with a boost in confidence. The ability to get the ball in the first place is due to ability. I will take ability to get the ball three times over kicking accuracy.

 

[Seeds]

Stanley's ruck work is overrated, he's been absolutely monstered in the ruck on multiple occasions this year.

want to name those ocassions and then compare them to the occassions Blicavs and smith have been monstered?

 

[Seeds]

or maybe they are more confident that at least Buzza will have a crack, unlike Stanley who only turns up once every 6 or so games ...

What a load of fairytale nonsense. This notion that some players "have a crack" whilst others dont is blind faith stupid. You dont like what the stats suggest so make up imaginerary unprovable concepts like "having a crack" to justify your biases when the facts dont agree with you.

 

[juzcat]

Lonergan has been amazing one on one for many years, but Father Time has taken his toll and once the ball spills it's swept away far too easily now.

Kolo is like a rabbit in the headlights.

I reckon when Lonergan is gone this board will miss him big time. Not many defenders have his record of stopping big time players. He ain't a Rance or Scarlett who attacks with flair, but then often those monster fowards are not exactly agile either. The best is Franklin and he seems to always win that battle. For mine it's all a out backline balance and getting the mix of Heavy tanks balanced with right number of light tanks

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[Johanpetro]

What a load of fairytale nonsense. This notion that some players "have a crack" whilst others dont is blind faith stupid. You dont like what the stats suggest so make up imaginerary unprovable concepts like "having a crack" to justify your biases when the facts dont agree with you.

Are you kidding me? You don't need stats to see if a player is having a crack or not, use your eyes. Are you telling me Motlop is actually having a red hot crack compared to let's say Jed Bews? Motlop is far more talented than Bews yet at the moment Bews is clearly "having a crack" while Motlop goes in half arsed to every contest, the same goes for Stanley who is not having a crack. In fact I think he's quite soft unfortunately.

 

[candiehappy]

What a load of fairytale nonsense.

like when Stanley was on his own on the wing, received the ball and didn't even run? That's what I mean by "having a crack". He is, as he was at the Saints, a truly hot and cold player. Whether it's having a crack or plain just not up the task, it's the same result. He lacks any consistency of effort or output.

PS haven't read his stats, don't make assumptions based on ..... nothing

 

[fpm84]

like when Stanley was on his own on the wing, received the ball and didn't even run?

He did deliver a perfectly weighted pass to Menzel which resulted in a goal in that exact same passage of play though.

 

[candiehappy]

He did deliver a perfectly weighted pass to Menzel which resulted in a goal in that exact same passage of play though.

absolutely true, but I still can't believe that he stood there like a lump of coal. He is meant to be "athletic"

 

[Cataholic]

I reckon when Lonergan is gone this board will miss him big time. Not many defenders have his record of stopping big time players. He ain't a Rance or Scarlett who attacks with flair, but then often those monster fowards are not exactly agile either. The best is Franklin and he seems to always win that battle. For mine it's all a out backline balance and getting the mix of Heavy tanks balanced with right number of light tanks

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Yep, he's been awesome for us for so many years, but his time has come sadly.

 

[goyoucatters]

The bigger issue than the personnel is defensive intent the weeks we have excelled it we look like we can beat anyone and when it slackens off we look very average. Need to see our best of it this week.

Totally agree. Looked average in this area again on Friday night so no surprise that we got beaten quite comfortably.

Our system and personnel are clearly good enough against just about anyone. They can also look completely bereft and useless if we don't bring intensity around the contest.

The only stat that told you anything meaningful about last week's game (apart from the scoreboard) was the -19 clearance differential at 3QT.

When you get monstered that badly around the ball, the best system and personnel in the history of football (which we clearly don't have, by the way) isn't likely to save you.

 

[goyoucatters]

Asking Cocky to play a full game of senior AFL after not doing so for almost 12 weeks also smacks of desperation

I am pretty much incredulous at the decision not to try to ease him in through the VFL. Parfitt came back through there after a serious tear. To think that Cocky goes straight back into the seniors (after chronic issues that have wiped him out early in a number of recent appearances) just seems like an unreasonable risk to be taking.

And I'm not even sure about the measure of the reward we're likely to reap even if he gets through unscathed. His projected impact at senior level seems to be significantly overestimated at this point in time. Doesn't get the ball enough or use it so well that he should be considered a vital selection in the ones on exposed form.

Anyway, more than anything, I hope he gets through to play again next week. That in itself would be a huge win given his recent injury history.

 

[Nickoo]

Are you kidding me? You don't need stats to see if a player is having a crack or not, use your eyes. Are you telling me Motlop is actually having a red hot crack compared to let's say Jed Bews? Motlop is far more talented than Bews yet at the moment Bews is clearly "having a crack" while Motlop goes in half arsed to every contest, the same goes for Stanley who is not having a crack. In fact I think he's quite soft unfortunately.

Bews isn't restricted.


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[goyoucatters]

He received a corkie in the hip. I'd say that's why he's not playing this week. Add that to the fact that we've got a 6 day break (our last for the season) heading into the Sydney game and I'd say that the MC saw this as a good opportunity to give him another rest before the run home against tougher opposition when we'll be needing him out there.

And this game is at Etihad as well. Put that alongside the reasons you've already given and there's plenty of solid possibilities for why Menz will miss this weekend. Could just be an accumulation of all these factors, really.

But if he's not out there again next weekend, I will definitely start to worry about whether his 2017 is going to end much like his 2016.

 

[frggr]

He did deliver a perfectly weighted pass to Menzel which resulted in a goal in that exact same passage of play though.

Dunno about 'perfectly weighted' it seemed to me more that Menzel's skill was the deciding factor on whether it was a good kick or not.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I laughed when I saw that Motlop had been dropped but they put (managed) next to his name because there's no way in hell they can admit the truth about this guy.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Collingwood, GC and Essendon losses were due to a very different defensive structure AND turnovers in critical areas and at critical times and less than required effort from a few players. We rectified that and had some good wins straight after against better teams.

The WC loss - Scott Selwood got injured, as did Cockatoo. Hawkins was not playing. That had a significant impact. We still got very close.

The GWS draw... come on now. They had nearly their best 22 back at home. We had Selwood down, Menzel out on the warm up. We had debuts by Guthrie, Simpson and Buzza. That was a pretty good effort when most of us thought we'd lose badly.

Adelaide - our intensity at the start and taking our shots to make it competitive was not good enough early.

You can make all the excuses you like. It's an extended run of ordinary form away from Geelong. Therefore the risks in our selection are justified in trying to spark something. Our sluggish play and shit form is not going to make it through the last couple of months.

Never said we aren't in a reasonable position but sitting back and being like 'oh well we're second so just keep doing what we're doing' would be farcical especially after last year.