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[Mahlepi]

Then in the Grand Final, Soldo takes it out of the ruck, takes 4 steps, gets tackled and just drops it..... Play on.

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The umpiring consistency is beyond a joke
The game needs simple rules that are clear cut enforced 100/ of the time
Kicking in danger is back in vogue, protected zone is gone

 

[catman2006]

Then in the Grand Final, Soldo takes it out of the ruck, takes 4 steps, gets tackled and just drops it..... Play on.

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stupid they got rid of that rule If a ruckman takes it out of the air and tackled free kick now use see rucks taking it out of the air more with no consequences.

 

[cats_09]

Then in the Grand Final, Soldo takes it out of the ruck, takes 4 steps, gets tackled and just drops it..... Play on.

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Same thing happened against us on the wing - trying to remember if it was WCE or Richmond game, but opposition ruck took it out of the contest, took on the player, was tackled & incorrectly disposed of the ball but no free paid

Free kick against our ruck but not the opposition - that's when things get frustrating

 

[cats_09]

The umpiring consistency is beyond a joke
The game needs simple rules that are clear cut enforced 100/ of the time
Kicking in danger is back in vogue, protected zone is gone

I'd like to think that the incorrect disposal rule is pretty simple - take clean possession of the ball, take on an opposition player and fail to correctly dispose of the ball = free kick for incorrect disposal or for holding the ball if they continue to hold it

Surely that's one of the easy ones

 

[Mahlepi]

I'd like to think that the incorrect disposal rule is pretty simple - take clean possession of the ball, take on an opposition player and fail to correctly dispose of the ball = free kick for incorrect disposal or for holding the ball if they continue to hold it

Surely that's one of the easy ones

It’s not applied
The fending off rules deemed as prior or if high has disappeared as well

 

[catman2006]

I'd like to think that the incorrect disposal rule is pretty simple - take clean possession of the ball, take on an opposition player and fail to correctly dispose of the ball = free kick for incorrect disposal or for holding the ball if they continue to hold it

Surely that's one of the easy ones

Problem is what we can see on TV is not the view the umpires get, so what looks a clear cut decision is let go as they just cant see...
The rules do need to be made easier for the umps as consistency seems to be the key...

 

[Mahlepi]

Problem is what we can see on TV is not the view the umpires get, so what looks a clear cut decision is let go as they just cant see...
The rules do need to be made easier for the umps as consistency seems to be the key...

The afl arc can’t even get touched right, simple rules eliminate the inconsistencies

 

[Ratcat]

Yeah, I think Sokol would be a very wise choice if we don't for example go for Taheny.
I'd be happy with one of Sokol or Taheny. Depends if they want to use an early pick (Taheny) or punt later (Sokol).
Might make sense to get a premium kid early, then Sokol with a late pick.

Having said, I think mature picks might get picked earlier this draft...

I would possibly first pick Will Gould pushing Jordan Clarke into a midfield role.
Will playing rebound halfback
Also replacing 2E.
2nd or 3rd pick Sokol adding more spark and versitility to the forward line.

Yeah, I think Sokol would be a very wise choice if we don't for example go for Taheny.
I'd be happy with one of Sokol or Taheny. Depends if they want to use an early pick (Taheny) or punt later (Sokol).
Might make sense to get a premium kid early, then Sokol with a late pick.

Having said, I think mature picks might get picked earlier this draft...

What l like about Sokol is he's a dynamic medium HF, has played 84 games, 564 marks, av 3 goals every game. Will add scoring power to our forwardline.
Atm 23 years old ready made player.
These 2 guys should ultimately strengthen 3 lines HB, MID, HF.ready to play.

 

[cynical]

Part of the Tiger’s success has been undeniably good recruitment decisions - some consistent themes are:
- nearly all the recruits have very good (and in a number of cases elite) foot skills. Their passing style are the low stabs, with little hang time which helps move the ball on at speed. Very few of the Cats have this skill.
- nearly all smalls/mids are very quick off first 10 metres, very good agility and quick thinkers meaning they can swarm and spread brilliantly fast
- size is not a priority with mids - There are few big bodies in this group (Caddie an exception) - the tackling power comes from swarming, tenacity and quick thinking rather than strength
- many of the mids have been picked up early twenties (and without chronic injuries) from expansion teams (ie Another club put up with the development ‘pain’ and the Tigers have been able to polish and slot in). Prestia, Houli, Edwards, are great examples.
- List has been supplemented with some extremely good mature aged rookies, including Lambert and now Pickett.

Contrast to our recruiting pre 2018 is huge -
- foot skills have been secondary behind other facets.
- likewise we’ve been prepared to recruit mid paced or even slowish mids where they are good ball winners at TAC.
- we’ve often recruited players with chronic injuries as juniors (or older) often using our high draft picks, meaning they take a while to recover (if ever!) and slot in. This has often been driven by trying to fill specific problems in our ‘premiership window’.

Last year's draft for us was much better but I think we could benefit from copying the Tigers’ recruiting strategies.

Tiger's success has been due to long term planning (5-10 years). Our long term plan is 1-2 years unfortunately.

But yes they have a lot of good ball users particularly in the back line, their small forwards have good agility and a quick first few steps so they add a lot of implied pressure.

Our recruitment for the last 4 years or so is to get a lot of plug and play types. Which are players with mature bodies who are ready to go, these players generally dont have good skills.

We have a dam wall with a lot of leaks and we try to fill those leaks as quickly as possible and then pretend everything is still good.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Seriously, you have lost as soon as you bring out that stupid calculator
Pick 3 is not worth 5 picks in the 40s

Forget the calculator, the pick 15 would've meant being able to select Jack Higgins, Ed Richards, Noah Balta, among others for GWS. The pick Richmond gave away to us they could have added Parfitt, Fisher, or Lipinski but they had pick 29 so effectively didn't lose access to any other player.

 

[betchsta]

Tiger's success has been due to long term planning (37 years). Our long term plan is 1-2 years unfortunately.

But yes they have a lot of good ball users particularly in the back line, their small forwards have good agility and a quick first few steps so they add a lot of implied pressure.

Our recruitment for the last 4 years or so is to get a lot of plug and play types. Which are players with mature bodies who are ready to go, these players generally dont have good skills.

We have a dam wall with a lot of leaks and we try to fill those leaks as quickly as possible and then pretend everything is still good.

 

[catman2006]

Their is a trend that you get quality picks and build a team around them you only have to look at the Hawks Cats Saints Dogs Tigers Magpies Essendon, Lions, Port A all have hit the draft hard and later went on to win premierships, we need to take some pain to get some gain.....

 

[year of the cat]

Their is a trend that you get quality picks and build a team around them you only have to look at the Hawks Cats Saints Dogs Tigers Magpies Essendon, Lions, Port A all have hit the draft hard and later went on to win premierships, we need to take some pain to get some gain.....

You need a solid core of players around that 22-26 age bracket that develop together. We haven’t got that. Won’t win a flag with our current group.

Need to hit the draft for 2-3 years then maybe look at topping up to fill gaps after that in my opinion.

 

[Two Planks]

If we can't win in the next couple of years, why would we keep J Selwood, Ablett, Taylor, Henderson or Touhy.

 

[Mahlepi]

Forget the calculator, the pick 15 would've meant being able to select Jack Higgins, Ed Richards, Noah Balta, among others for GWS. The pick Richmond gave away to us they could have added Parfitt, Fisher, or Lipinski but they had pick 29 so effectively didn't lose access to any other player.

cool, we are on the same page, i just think we need to apply some pressure on recruiting as its our recruits that have failed us not our coaching, yet everyone sees the reverse
our early picks have been wasted

 

[catempire]

You need a solid core of players around that 22-26 age bracket that develop together. We haven’t got that. Won’t win a flag with our current group.

Need to hit the draft for 2-3 years then maybe look at topping up to fill gaps after that in my opinion.

Didn’t see an answer when I asked this previously: am I right in saying you think it needs to be sequential: draft then top-up?

If so, why can’t it be concurrent?

 

[Mahlepi]

Tiger's success has been due to long term planning (5-10 years). Our long term plan is 1-2 years unfortunately.

But yes they have a lot of good ball users particularly in the back line, their small forwards have good agility and a quick first few steps so they add a lot of implied pressure.

Our recruitment for the last 4 years or so is to get a lot of plug and play types. Which are players with mature bodies who are ready to go, these players generally dont have good skills.

We have a dam wall with a lot of leaks and we try to fill those leaks as quickly as possible and then pretend everything is still good.

recruiting has changed, what worked 20 years ago is irrlevant
clubs who manage their recruiting well win
prestia is a prime example - richmond got a player with development and known injury history - reduced the risk
geelong pick up smedts - possible upside unknown quantity, you are better off prizing a smedts at 20-21 after a few years in the system if you believe he is a player who fits team needs

Geelong are feeling the pinch because of early pick failures:
Thurlow, Lang, Smedts, Cockatoo, Henderson, and trading Caddy and Varcoe for unders

Varcoe and Caddy would get a game with Geelong today - Mitch is where?????

 

[Mahlepi]

Didn’t see an answer when I asked this previously: am I right in saying you think it needs to be sequential: draft then top-up?

If so, why can’t it be concurrent?

in this environment it needs to be, the standard of lists is poor, and if you drop to 14-18 you will have your list racked over

 

[catman2006]

Varcoe and Caddy would get a game with Geelong today - Mitch is where?????
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Did we trade Varcoe for unders he was worse then Motlop and time was clearly up, Caddy was doing nothing at the Cats the right call was made to trade him just Richmond structure suits him better....

 

[year of the cat]

Didn’t see an answer when I asked this previously: am I right in saying you think it needs to be sequential: draft then top-up?

If so, why can’t it be concurrent?

I think it does. You can't apply the skin until you have the skeleton and heart and lungs in place to my mind.

 

[catempire]

I think it does. You can't apply the skin until you have the skeleton and heart and lungs in place to my mind.

Hmm. Don’t understand why it can’t be concurrent.

Unless you are building a list from scratch GWS/GC style then you have a list in place to work with. You assess what changes are needed to that list and you execute accordingly.

But even if you make the assessment that the list is say 4-5 years off being a contender (which isn’t Geelong’s situation by the way), you can still draft stacks of talent at the same time as bringing in ready made players so long as you are not trading out high picks for them.

 

[darren forssman]

Same thing happened against us on the wing - trying to remember if it was WCE or Richmond game, but opposition ruck took it out of the contest, took on the player, was tackled & incorrectly disposed of the ball but no free paid

Free kick against our ruck but not the opposition - that's when things get frustrating

Pretty sure that was soldo or nankervis, and was in our f50 as esava was asking the question as he laid a big tackle.

Funny, in any other part of the ground in play that is deemed prior and free kick against.

 

[Cataholic]

I think it does. You can't apply the skin until you have the skeleton and heart and lungs in place to my mind.

Yep...... You can repair some cracks in the wall here and there with spak filler, but you can't build the basic structure with it.

 

[year of the cat]

Hmm. Don’t understand why it can’t be concurrent.

I really think that by doing it concurrently it is far more difficult to have a consistent plan in place. You also end up trading out some of the picks that would be otherwise used to draft kids that would develop together. I'd prefer we have a plan to bring over a three year period a group of mids and KP players to compliment what we already have in place (Ratagolea, Henry, Clark, Parfitt, Cockatoo, Miers etc), develop them together and then fill in the gaps after that.

Furthermore CE, we've tried the "concurrent approach" for 6 or more years now without really getting close to winning a flag. Maybe it's time to accept that the current approach allows us to remain very competitive, but is not going to ultimately bring us a flag.

 

[catempire]

I really think that by doing it concurrently it is far more difficult to have a consistent plan in place. You also end up trading out some of the picks that would be otherwise used to draft kids that would develop together. I'd prefer we have a plan to bring over a three year period a group of mids and KP players to compliment what we already have in place (Ratagolea, Henry, Clark, Parfitt, Cockatoo, Miers etc), develop them together and then fill in the gaps after that.

Sorry, added more above. The bolded is the pivotal assumption. If you don’t use high picks in trades I think concurrent approach is achievable and actually preferable.