Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

[cats_09]

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[you pick one]

Kolo doesn’t even play on the talls

I’d go

Fb. Bews. Blicavs. Stewart
Hb. Clark. Henderson. Henry

2 genuine talls, Henry floating third tall. Fit SDK in for a few games for a taste.

I’d be drafting a key defender in the draft and their are a lot this year. Much rather that than give up Esava or Clark or Parfitt.

O'Connor and Bews fight out the that back pocket,Tuohy drops back to make the 7th defender,that gives us enough height and some run.

 

[Grimoz]

The big problem is your assumption that our midfield is better with him in there. How many times do we need to see our midfield get smashed with him in there in finals to see that maybe he's part of the problem and not the solution? How many times do we need to see the opposition waltz it out under no pressure from clearances or see us hack it out to see that his see ball get ball style doesn't help us have a well structured midfield setup? Even this finals series our worst midfield performance was against Port when he played the most time in midfield. Against Richmond we gambled on putting him in the middle from late in the 3rd and we got smashed in there.

Look I've got absolutely no problem with us putting him into the midfield for 5 minute bursts or maybe a bit more if we're getting badly beaten but he's much more valuable forward.

How many Brownlows has he won as a forward?

 

[MelbCat]

Witherden is on around $450k, Pittard would be on $150k which will influence the decision i'm guessing.

If we had funds for Crouch I'm assuming we'd have the funds for witherden. He also play on a wing or through the middle.

 

[MelbCat]

what about neither

Not a fan of either?

 

[thecatattack]

The big problem is your assumption that our midfield is better with him in there. How many times do we need to see our midfield get smashed with him in there in finals to see that maybe he's part of the problem and not the solution? How many times do we need to see the opposition waltz it out under no pressure from clearances or see us hack it out to see that his see ball get ball style doesn't help us have a well structured midfield setup? Even this finals series our worst midfield performance was against Port when he played the most time in midfield. Against Richmond we gambled on putting him in the middle from late in the 3rd and we got smashed in there.

Look I've got absolutely no problem with us putting him into the midfield for 5 minute bursts or maybe a bit more if we're getting badly beaten but he's much more valuable forward.

Saying one of the best clearance getters the game has seen, should be in the middle for clearances, is a bad assumption?

When I say he should be mid/forward not forward/mid, I mean he simply plays at bounces to try and win the clearance and then play forward the rest of the time. Instead of simply starting forward.

I'd rather see him win the ball and ack it forward for a stoppage in our F50 and then move forward than lose it and he doesn't get anywhere near it until we get it all the way back to him.

 

[Johanpetro]

Maybe we can send them Parsons and Zuthrie for pick 200.

Still an unfair trade for GWS

 

[Turbocat]

Not a fan of either?

One has speed , the other has disposal... ..and what is the cost. I cant see either in our side atm.

 

[you pick one]

Maybe we can send them Parsons and Zuthrie for pick 200.

**** man we got 64 for this
.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

When you play for the losing club its a big deal, if we weren't involved then yeah go nuts.

Dont agree with that. They are enemies on the field in a professional sporting way, but off the field their personal lives they can socialise and affiliate with whoever they want to. No issues at all with narkle being friends with richmond players or any other club and can do so as he pleases in his time away from the game

 

[Neddy1]

Yep. IF Cockatoo goes to Brisbane and plays most games it's because we did the rehab and got him right. Not them.
But everyone will say it's Brisbane that can manage their injuries better. We will get no reward out of this unfortunately.

Brisbane has a geographical advantage not a medical one.
There is no mystery as to why we had all our best players available basically the whole season.
It’s much easier to rehabilitate and train through a niggling injury in 23 degrees than it is 10 degrees.


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[year of the cat]

Possible side deals with GWS (after they match and get pick 9/10):

Tuohy for a late pick
Constable for a late pick
Narkle for a late pick
Kolo for a late pick
Fort for a late pick

We give 33 for one of their depth players and take on some $

 

[Cat Addict]

Is it too late to turn Tuohy into a lock down defender? Would love to drop Kola and keep Zach down back. His skills are elite compared to turnover king Kola.

Maybe an old fashioned tagger. I think there is still place in the game for an old school Ling type in the midfield.

 

[BigCat1]

Getting nervous about Issac Smith.

I mean he’s had 5 weeks to decide if he wants to be at Melb or Haw next year and all we have heard is crickets. If you were reading the tea leaves logically then something is definitely up.

 

[xtatik222k]

Is Nakia leaving the club?

 

[MelbCat]

One has speed , the other has disposal... ..and what is the cost. I cant see either in our side atm.

Everything comes down to cost.
Could do alot worse then Witherden as our disposal under pressure is woeful. I'd personally pick Witherden over Kolo.

 

[BigCat1]

Possible side deals with GWS (after they match and get pick 9/10):

Tuohy for a late pick
Constable for a late pick
Narkle for a late pick
Kolo for a late pick
Fort for a late pick

We give 33 for one of their depth players and take on some $

Getting involved with Essendon is the way to do this.

Essendon can’t trade within the AFL rules until they bring in more 1st rounders. They also want Caldwell whose a GWS player (and now Dunkley)

GWS take the compo and Geelong do a deal involving all three clubs were we trade down with two of our 1st picks. Ess get Caldwell and keep a 1st rounder and Giants end up with 2 great 1st rounders

Something like

GWS - #6 (Ess), #15 (Geel) for JC & JC
Geel - #9 (GWS) for #13 & #15
Ess - Caldwell, #13 for #6

A million machinations around that core. maybe give the Bombers our very last “technical 1st rounder” #21ish for a Future 2nd and something to unlock them
for a bid at Dunkley with #13 and whatever they get for Daniher whilst taking a 1st Rd pick this year which they need to do.

 

[FishGutz]

So I 100% agree that the defensive make up should be changed to allow for better ball movement but I do think as much as it's not perfect surely the coaching panel/club deserve credit for being pretty clearly the 2nd/3rd best team in the comp, looking at the GF in isolation the defensive unit underperformed as it has done against Richmond on a number of occasions but in my opinion we lost the the game in the midfield as soon as the tide turned in there late in the 2nd quarter we never looked likely, Selwood tried hard but he is pretty far from what he used to be & Guthrie was just soundly beaten in there but it's not like they had a lot of help.

But that supports my argument. A great defence holds up when the tide turns badly in the midfield, which happens for periods during every game. And our defence couldn’t do anything about it. The forward entries straight out of halftime by the Tigers resulted in goals. And it’s compounded by the fact they were getting beaten in 1v1s and then not being able to create. The idea of getting us close but not winning isn’t an excuse or a reason to point to that there’s “some success”, it reinforces we keep utilising a system and structure that hasn’t worked. I believe we truly could’ve won with some minor adjustments. But that’s two wasted years now and we will never know. Looking to the future, I truly hope something clicks or it will happen again.


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[Two Planks]

Getting nervous about Issac Smith.

I mean he’s had 5 weeks to decide if he wants to be at Melb or Haw next year and all we have heard is crickets. If you were reading the tea leaves logically then something is definitely up.

Reckon he ruins any chance of being welcomed back at Hawthorn in the future if he comes to Geelong.

 

[Grimoz]

Getting involved with Essendon is the way to do this.

Essendon can’t trade within the AFL rules until they bring in more 1st rounders. They also want Caldwell whose a GWS player (and now Dunkley)

GWS take the compo and Geelong do a deal involving all three clubs were we trade down with two of our 1st picks. Ess get Caldwell and keep a 1st rounder and Giants end up with 2 great 1st rounders

Something like

GWS - #6 (Ess), #15 (Geel) for JC & JC
Geel - #9 (GWS) for #13 & #15
Ess - Caldwell, #13 for #6

A million machinations around that core. maybe give the Bombers our very last “technical 1st rounder” #21ish for a Future 2nd and something to unlock them
for a bid at Dunkley with #13 and whatever they get for Daniher whilst taking a 1st Rd pick this year which they need to do.

So GWS are going to give us pick 9 and Cameron for the loss of Pick 13 and 15, you're dreaming.

 

[BigCat1]

So GWS are going to give us pick 9 and Cameron for the loss of Pick 13 and 15, you're dreaming.

Sorry if that was too hard for you to comprehend. It means they get exactly/end up with #6 for Cameron and #15 for Caldwell.

 

[Grimoz]

Sorry if that was too hard for you to comprehend. It means they get exactly/end up with #6 for Cameron and #15 for Caldwell.

I understand it but why would they give us pick 9? Wouldn't 9 go to Essendon if they are giving up pick 6? It means we would end up with Pick 9 and Cameron for the loss of only 13 & 15 which would be robbery.

 

[strauchnyy]

Getting involved with Essendon is the way to do this.

Essendon can’t trade within the AFL rules until they bring in more 1st rounders. They also want Caldwell whose a GWS player (and now Dunkley)

GWS take the compo and Geelong do a deal involving all three clubs were we trade down with two of our 1st picks. Ess get Caldwell and keep a 1st rounder and Giants end up with 2 great 1st rounders

Something like

GWS - #6 (Ess), #15 (Geel) for JC & JC
Geel - #9 (GWS) for #13 & #15
Ess - Caldwell, #13 for #6

A million machinations around that core. maybe give the Bombers our very last “technical 1st rounder” #21ish for a Future 2nd and something to unlock them
for a bid at Dunkley with #13 and whatever they get for Daniher whilst taking a 1st Rd pick this year which they need to do.

I like it.

We don’t have 15 though, I assume you mean 18.

We could throw in a future R3 or something as well.

Means we have 9 and 11 for the draft as well.

Gws get 6 for Cameron and 18 for Caldwell and I think we’d give a future R3 or something too or perhaps a Constable or Narkle.

 

[strauchnyy]

Bigcat1’s suggestion is the best trade idea I’ve heard.

Geelong won’t give up a youngster or be left without their R1s

Gws want more than the compo

Essendon want Caldwell but can’t trade without a R1

Including some square ups:

GWS don’t match and get pick 10, Cameron comes to cats, then:

Geelong
Lose: 13 + 18 + Narkle
Get: 10 + future R3 + 61

Essendon
Lose: 6 + 61 + future R3
Get: Caldwell + 18

Gws
Lose: 10 + Caldwell
Get 6 + 13 + Narkle

AFL would sign that off. Effectively GWS get 6 and Narkle for Cameron - better than just pick 10 compo. They also get 13 for Caldwell which is full return.

We go in with 10 + 12 (after moving back a spot)

Essendon get Caldwell and likely to receive more draft capital in other trades.

 

[BigCat1]

I like it.

We don’t have 15 though, I assume you mean 18.

We could throw in a future R3 or something as well.

Means we have 9 and 11 for the draft as well.

Gws get 6 for Cameron and 18 for Caldwell and I think we’d give a future R3 or something too or perhaps a Constable or Narkle.

We will have pick 15 or 16 after free Agency. Call it 13 now if you want to make it easy to follow. Those picks could slide out min 2 maybe 4 by the weekend

 

[Turbocat]

Everything comes down to cost.
Could do alot worse then Witherden as our disposal under pressure is woeful. I'd personally pick Witherden over Kolo.

I think his pace is questionable. Id rather focus on others atm