Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[Drunkcat]

Here's a crazy idea - swap our F1 next year for Richmond's pick 15 now ! They probably wont take it, but if the right player was there for us this year, we could then go 15, 22, 23, 30, 40ish - go heavy on mids with one KP gun and that's a real re-boot for ya.

And then we can get Jack Williams

 

[rocker_oz33]

7pm

Sparks ya planks

 

[Sire of Claude]

47 would be good - what about Blayne O'Loghlin?

A leftie Christian Salem

3

Christian Salem

Age

29

Ht

184cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.9

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.1

5star

MG

350.6

5star

D

18.1

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

285.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.2

3star

HB

1.8

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

/Bachar Houli

14

Bachar Houli

Age

36

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.5

4star

MG

431.0

5star

D

22.8

5star

K

10.5

4star

HB

12.3

5star

M

6.5

5star

T

2.3

3star

MG

302.8

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

7.4

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

type down back would be superb. He's also obviously an intelligent kid. Maybe the rookie draft.

 

[you pick one]

Do we have a pick tonight?

 

[Shadow89]

****Reposted after mixing up a few picks****

Reckon I've figured out what the trade will be, after spitballing on the main board - based on logical moves for all sides and what's floating around at the moment:


OUT:

Dogs - 23 (815 points)
Geelong - 32 or 34, Future 2nd
North - 42, 47 (728 points)

IN:

Dogs - 42, 47, Future 2nd
Geelong - 23
North - 32 or 34

************

Dogs get a Future 2nd, and then use 42, 43, 44, 45, 47 and 52 (2021 points) to match Darcy bid (2013 points after discount).

North take Motlop with their 20's pick, and Bazzo with the pick in the 30's from Geelong. We take Macdonald, Sheldrick or Brown dependant on who's available.

 

[Sire of Claude]

What about leftie Hugh Jackson - great kick and gets plenty of gonad?

 

[rocker_oz33]

Do we have a pick tonight?

All guns .
200 games each .

 

[BORIS332]

****Reposted after mixing up a few picks****

Reckon I've figured out what the trade will be, after spitballing on the main board - based on logical moves for all sides and what's floating around at the moment:


OUT:

Dogs - 23 (815 points)
Geelong - 32 or 34, Future 2nd
North - 42, 47 (728 points)

IN:

Dogs - 42, 47, Future 2nd
Geelong - 23
North - 32 or 34

************

Dogs get a Future 2nd, and then use 42, 43, 44, 45, 47 and 52 (2021 points) to match Darcy bid (2013 points after discount).

North take Motlop with their 20's pick, and Bazzo with the pick in the 30's from Geelong. We take Macdonald, Sheldrick or Brown dependant on who's available.

Seems like a bad deal for the Roos. As it stands, Dogs have picks 43, 44 and 45, and Collingwood have 46. So after the Darcy and Daicos bids are taken into account, the Roos are essentially giving up 41 (42 before bids) and 42 (47) to get 34 (32) or 36 (34) back.

 

[Shadow89]

Seems like a bad deal for the Roos. After the Darcy and Daicos bids are taken into account, they're essentially giving up 41 (42 before bids) and 42 (47) to get 34 (32) or 36 (34) back.

They're moving up 8 spots at least if we give 32 (34) to get a player they actually want, which is about the asking price for most trades this draft period. Reckon 32 is the most likely. You're also forgetting, that all of Owens, Fahey, Windhager and Burgoyne are likely to be bid on between Daicos and their pick, so it's actually more like 46 and 47 (once you take all the bids from the other respective players out)

 

[Shooooltzey]

Seems like a bad deal for the Roos. As it stands, Dogs have picks 43, 44 and 45, and Collingwood have 46. So after the Darcy and Daicos bids are taken into account, the Roos are essentially giving up 41 (42 before bids) and 42 (47) to get 34 (32) or 36 (34) back.

They are only using three picks so they can kinda do whatever they can to move up. They aren't using 47 so from there pov it would be worth to package 42 and 47 for 41 technically.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

****Reposted after mixing up a few picks****

Reckon I've figured out what the trade will be, after spitballing on the main board - based on logical moves for all sides and what's floating around at the moment:


OUT:

Dogs - 23 (815 points)
Geelong - 32 or 34, Future 2nd
North - 42, 47 (728 points)

IN:

Dogs - 42, 47, Future 2nd
Geelong - 23
North - 32 or 34

************

Dogs get a Future 2nd, and then use 42, 43, 44, 45, 47 and 52 (2021 points) to match Darcy bid (2013 points after discount).

North take Motlop with their 20's pick, and Bazzo with the pick in the 30's from Geelong. We take Macdonald, Sheldrick or Brown dependant on who's available.

surely given the bulldogs are looking for points the actual picks should benefit us as opposed to handing them better draft value?? no way should we hand over a future 2nd rounder + a second rounder in this years draft for pick 25...

bulldogs would take that and run to the bank even if they didnt have a F/S bid.

 

[Shadow89]

surely given the bulldogs are looking for points the actual picks should benefit us as opposed to handing them better draft value?? no way should we hand over a future 2nd rounder + a second rounder in this years draft for pick 25...

We're handing over Pick 32 (34) and around Pick 30ish for Pick 23 (25) in this draft. It's the price of moving up, and it's pretty fair considering what other clubs have paid to do the same - Richmond is a great example.

The other massive benefit that you're missing, is getting ahead of both the Tigers and the Hawks' second pick, along with Carlton and WC, in order to snare players that all clubs are interested in - before they do. The talent differ between Pick 23 and 32 is pretty stark, as it starts getting pretty thin once the Tigers have picked three players that we're probably interested in too.

It might not be perfect, but it's still not as ridiculous as say what North and Freo are purportedly wanting for their respective Picks 19 (21) and 20 (22). Most agree, that it's a pretty fair trade if we get out of it with two pretty late seconds.

 

[BORIS332]

They're moving up 8 spots at least if we give 32 (34) to get a player they actually want, which is about the asking price for most trades this draft period. Reckon 32 is the most likely. You're also forgetting, that all of Owens, Fahey, Windhager and Burgoyne are likely to be bid on between Daicos and their pick, so it's actually more like 46 and 47 (once you take all the bids from the other respective players out)

Pete Ryan has just published this for The Age, seems confident we'll trade out two of 30, 32 or 34.

Pick swap involving Cats, Dogs and Roos to set AFL draft alight early

By Peter Ryan

November 24, 2021 — 3.18pm

The Western Bulldogs are set to trade out pick 23 to Geelong before Greater Western Sydney use pick No.2 to bid on Bulldogs father-son prospect Sam Darcy, in what promises to be a dramatic opening to the 2021 national draft on Wednesday night.

Club sources said the deal will also involve North Melbourne, who will use the first selection in the draft to take Jason Horne-Francis, as they attempt to gain a pick in the 30s after their second selection at pick 20.

Under the scenario being touted, the Cats would give up two of their three picks in the 30s (Geelong hold picks 30, 32 and 34) to then have back-to-back picks in the national draft at pick 22 (their existing selection) and 23 (currently the Bulldogs’ pick).

This would give Geelong the chance to land local prospect Toby Conway, the cousin of Paddy and Tom McCartin, who is considered the best ruckman in the national draft. The Cats could then use their other pick on a running player who would be likely to develop more quickly than Conway.

Players in that range include another local talent in Grovedale’s Mitch Knevitt or running players around that range such as Campbell Chesser, Darcy Wilmot or Tom Brown, the son of former Cat Paul.

The Bulldogs – who will need to match the points for Darcy when the bid comes at pick No.2 – would ensure they have enough points to match the bid. They will either use two or three picks later in the draft or look to trade back into the third round.

The Kangaroos, who would like a third pick in the 30s to continue their rebuild after using picks one and 20 in the draft, have picks 42, 47, 72 and 77 in this year’s draft as well as future third- and fourth-round picks to help the Bulldogs match the bid and realise the second-round pick’s value.

Exactly which picks North Melbourne will trade out remain unclear, while Collingwood are also a chance to trade back into the draft after matching the bid for Nick Daicos, which is expected at pick four when Gold Coast have their first selection.

 

[year of the cat]

Pete Ryan has just published this for The Age, seems confident we'll trade out two of 30, 32 or 34.

Won’t be happy if we use it to land Conway who probably would fall to our pick in the 30’s if we didn’t trade.

 

[Turbocat]

This isn't accurate to be fair. I had a recent discussion with recruiters on this very thing regarding an SA based player for next year. It's all relative. There is obviously a time for 2k that becomes quite concerning but it really depends on where the kid is going to play on the field. How fit they are and where they can get to. I would be astounded if Danger ran below 7mins for 2ks heading into his draft year.

As shown with Constable...the recruiters do not select the side. If ts obvious that player who can run get a preferential selection while more ready players get over looked if tehy cant or if they choose not to run.

 

[Turbocat]

Seems like it's probably:

Dogs
Out: 23
In: 32, 42, Roos' F3

Cats
Out: 30, 32
In: 23, 47

Roos
Out: 42, 47, F3 (likely to be around 37)
In: 30

This gives the Dogs a 298 points surplus plus a future pick. Roos get their pick in the 30s. We move up the order to 23.

If thats the deal its better than I thought we would get

 

[Shadow89]

Pete Ryan has just published this for The Age, seems confident we'll trade out two of 30, 32 or 34.

Lol my scenario makes way more sense, as we just end up in the same position we were in without North. Like why involve them at all if we're giving up 32 and 34 ourselves - which is more than enough to match their bid and have points left over.

Even if the Roos get one of the 30's picks and the Dogs get one, then it still gets eaten anyway.

Only way I can see this working, is by doing what another main board poster suggested, and involving the Roos Future 3rd. Dogs get the Roos picks for points and the Roos Future 3rd and Roos get 32 and 34. Which makes no sense for the Dogs IMO, as 34 will be around 36-38 and their pick will be at least that if not closer to the 40's, rather than our pick which would be closer to the 30's. Not to mention the fact that the Roos have said they only want to take 3 picks in this draft.

If that is what happens, then I reckon that's Wells not wanting to trade out of next year's draft, and sacrificing the more speculative picks to pick up who we want.

I swear to god though...if we're doing all this for Conway, I will lose it tomorrow night and call for Wells' head

 

[Shadow89]

Absolutely shocking deal for us and North for that matter. Remember we still have no idea who’s going to be available.

32, 34 and potentially 28-30 next year for Pick 23. Imagine you took that to the trade table. Jeremy Cameron got traded for not far off that.

What? Maybe try reading before you make incendiary comments. It says 32 OR 34 not both and the Future 2nd.

 

[Turbocat]

Won’t be happy if we use it to land Conway who probably would fall to our pick in the 30’s if we didn’t trade.

It only make sense to me if they have doubts on the two young guys we have on our list. If they Neale may want out after 2022 for eg.


In the end ... they live and die by their choices ...they need at least two players to be long term wins this year or it gets tough soon.

 

[Turbocat]

Do we have a pick tonight?

not at the moment. Rich have it.

 

[Drunkcat]

What about leftie Hugh Jackson - great kick and gets plenty of gonad?

Should not matter if he is gay or straight

 

[you pick one]

All guns .
200 games each .

UMMM is that a yes?

 

[BigCat1]

Won’t be happy if we use it to land Conway who probably would fall to our pick in the 30’s if we didn’t trade.

Exactly it just makes no sense. Bizarrely Fox said that if the Cats don’t draft Conway he would most likely slide to the second half of the draft. We’d be bidding against ourselves.

 

[you pick one]

not at the moment. Rich have it.

OK thanks.

 

[BigCat1]

What? Maybe try reading before you make incendiary comments. It says 32 OR 34 not both and the Future 2nd.

Keep you shirt on it was one word and since deleted. However 32 and 30 next year for 23 isn’t far off shocking none the less. Maybe without the ‘absolutely’