Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Pure_Ownage]

Guthrie and Menegola didn't step up when needed.

My point was more that they can physically take on load and protect our kids while they grow into afl but we need the next gen midfield group to surpass them.

 

[CatRiot]

We need Knevitt badly.
I'm telling ya, those Norman surnames and that facial phenotype, he will be a gun.

Ablett Snr
Ablett Jnr
Paddy Pimblett, UFC
Mitch Knevitt



All guns, all similar in the head

 

[CatRiot]

We need Knevitt badly.
I'm telling ya, those Norman surnames and that facial phenotype, he will be a gun.

Ablett Snr
Ablett Jnr
Paddy Pimblett, UFC
Mitch Knevitt



All guns, all similar in the head

Paddy is the Baddy...

 

[Cataholic]

My point was more that they can physically take on load and protect our kids while they grow into afl but we need the next gen midfield group to surpass them.

Yeah, we do.

We aren't going to do it with our current list.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Compare to Geelong we would close to 10 or so players from the preliminary final we traded in...

So you add draftees in place of half of then what? Rebuilding the list takes the and
Same time regardless of whether you take the shots you have when they come up

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah, we do.

We aren't going to do it with our current list.

Yes and no. I think holmes will be a star and he is already on our list. But we need to draft more of him.

 

[CatRiot]

Yes and no. I think holmes will be a star and he is already on our list. But we need to draft more of him.

We need 3 years of top end draft picks now... I wouldn't top up unless absolutely necessary, and should be avoided. We top up starting in 3 years time I reckon, and I think Scotty needs to go after 2022.

 

[SkittleCats]

Asking people like Dangerfield, Cameron, Stewart,Hawkins

This is why suggestions of a rebuild starting now are laughable. You dont trade any of those players, regardless of their value, and no club would ever do it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We need 3 years of top end draft picks now... I wouldn't top up unless absolutely necessary, and should be avoided. We top up starting in 3 years time I reckon, and I think Scotty needs to go after 2022.

You only get top end draft picks by being putrid.

I think you'll get your wish eventually, just be careful what you wish for

 

[ninjahcat]

Should get someone other than Wells to pick under #20 (and ruckmen)

Nah, I reckon we just skip the first pick and go straight to the second.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Thinking about Melbourne, Simon Goodwin won a flag as a player, good to have a coach who has done the same as either a player or coach.
Chris Scott has done both, but something is missing with him as a coach.
If we go full rebuild , we need to trade out players for picks. Asking people like Dangerfield, Cameron, Stewart,Hawkins if they want to be traded would not be popular, but who else has any value.

It would be unpopular because it would be a bad move.

There's no way the picks we get would replace what we lose even in the long term. Picks have too high a failure rate.

I would though be taking guys like Parfitt and Henry and giving them extensions that take them to free agency and back end them into RFA territory. Preference to keep the player but if they walk there could be an opportunity for above par return. Long way out from that kind of thing though

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Nah, I reckon we just skip the first pick and go straight to the second.

Trade out the first pick you mean?

 

[Down at K Park]

We need Knevitt badly.
I'm telling ya, those Norman surnames and that facial phenotype, he will be a gun.

Ablett Snr
Ablett Jnr
Paddy Pimblett, UFC
Mitch Knevitt



All guns, all similar in the head

I hope we get knevitt. My son played in grovedale knevitt in the under 11’s. So it would be good if he played for us.

 

[The rabbi]

May, Lever, Brown, Hibberd, Langdon, Melkshamn & Tomlinson all started their careers elsewhere

How many of them were recruited when they were 30 plus?

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

This is why suggestions of a rebuild starting now are laughable. You dont trade any of those players, regardless of their value, and no club would ever do it.

I would say look at North Melbourne as an example of what not to do. Delisting a good player like Brent Harvey who has already won a flag rather than trading Robbie Tarrant in 2016 who they now lose for almost no compensation ( I am not suggesting an absurd strategy like what North did, more like what Hawthorn did in trading out Hay, Thompson to go 2 steps back, then 5 forward).
If we just draft 4 players in the low 30's, hopefully they turn out to be good players, but they will have little chance of contributing to a flag next year ( like collingwoods supposed great draft hand last year).
What suggestions do you have for us to be any chance in the next 5 years.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Thinking about Melbourne, Simon Goodwin won a flag as a player, good to have a coach who has done the same as either a player or coach.
Chris Scott has done both, but something is missing with him as a coach.
If we go full rebuild , we need to trade out players for picks. Asking people like Dangerfield, Cameron, Stewart,Hawkins if they want to be traded would not be popular, but who else has any value.

Stewart and cameron are too valuable to us and the others are too old to have real trade value.

We just need to phase out role players like dahl higgins rohan kolo hendo etc and draft well and get new gameplan and fitness coaches.

 

[Danger handballs we win]

If we keep drafting and playing kids we will be just fine. Great culture, great fans and still offer a great lifestyle to trades and free agents when the time is right to load up. I think two years of drafts and then some free agents I am backing us in for quick rebuild.

Just can’t get greedy and rush it or panic

Too good to fail


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[ninjahcat]

Trade out the first pick you mean?

I was just being silly as you always technically have a first pick.
But perhaps you are on to something. The first round trades we did were not too bad, we got Hendo, Dangers (okay 2 picks) and Tuohy. But I'd only do them to top up a team the way the grand finalists did, not to form the nucleus of it unless its a weak draft.
JC coming along last year was probably bad timing for us. Awesome player, but think what we would have done with those three R1 picks. Two good players out of three could have formed the nucleus of our next premiership team.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I would say look at North Melbourne as an example of what not to do. Delisting a good player like Brent Harvey who has already won a flag rather than trading Robbie Tarrant in 2016 who they now lose for almost no compensation.
If we just draft 4 players in the low 30's, hopefully they turn out to be good players, but they will have little chance of contributing to a flag next year ( like collingwoods supposed great draft hand last year).
What suggestions do you have for us to be any chance in the next 5 years.

Indeed, given that they're not likely to be contributing next year and that the average draftee taken in that kind of range plays maybe 50 games at most, there's a reasonable possibility they aren't in our next contending side either.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I was just being silly as you always technically have a first pick.
But perhaps you are on to something. The first round trades we did were not too bad, we got Hendo, Dangers (okay 2 picks) and Tuohy. But I'd only do them to top up a team the way the grand finalists did, not to form the nucleus of it unless its a weak draft.
JC coming along last year was probably bad timing for us. Awesome player, but think what we would have done with those three R1 picks. Two good players out of three could have formed the nucleus of our next premiership team.

Yeah, I think our success with late picks is more us having a structure we could drop role players in with simple, well defined objectives.

The hard part now is that we need to look at changing the structure of the midfield in about 12 months. But one thing that Cameron does, and the main reason I still like the trade regardless, is that with him the forward line has enough pieces to not be the problem.

Only having to solve one problem at a time is a massive advantage

 

[Shadow89]

You mean a team chockers full of first round draft picks, cause they tanked for so long?

This is definitely a fair point, and should really be included in any conversation when it comes to the sheer talent differential between our two sides.

This is a breakdown of all their first and second round picks:

Pick 2 - Christian Petracca
Pick 3 - Clayton Oliver
Pick 3 - Christian Salem
Pick 3 - Luke Jackson
Pick 3 - Angus Brayshaw
Pick 12 - Kysaiah Pickett
Pick 14 (traded in) - Jake Lever
Pick 21 - Jake Bowey
Pick 26 (F/S) - Jack Viney
Pick 28 - Tom Sparrow
Pick 29 - Charlie Spargo
Pick 31 - Bayley Fritsch
Pick 32 - Trent Rivers
Pick 33 - James Jordon (sub)
Pick 34 - Max Gawn
Pick 37 - Harrison Petty

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16/23 players all first and second round draft picks, with 7 first round draft picks (1 traded in) and 5 Top 10 draft picks, amongst them. Only Brown, Langdon, Neal-Bullen, May, McDonald, Hibberd and Harmes (7/23 players), as draft picks from the 3rd round onwards.

They deserve every single accolade this season, and were phenomenal during the finals, but it's hard to argue that they haven't been blessed with a metric sh*t ton of talent to get them there

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

For all the doomsdayers. We were in front of the premiers when the final siren sounded in round 23. Yes we need to make some changes to the game plan. But there’s an enormous upside coming. Holmes will be better with another preseason under his belt. So will Ratugolea, Simpson, Narkle, Miers and Clark (if he stays, and let’s not forget, he’s contracted and hasn’t asked for a trade yet). The club have very high hopes for Stephen’s, and it’s quite plausible he has a big preseason and comes out playing good senior footy from round 1. Jack Henry

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Jack Henry

Age

26

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192cm

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96kg

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Last 5

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10.3

3star

K

7.3

3star

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2.9

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

142.6

2star

D

8.6

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

142.6

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

started this year in the VFL, and by round 23 he was being talked about as a possible AA defender. He has huge upside. De koning is
A huge talent. He’ll be better with another preseason and we will start to see him play senior footy.

From the team we put out in round 23, we only need 3 or 4 of these kids to improve by 15% and it changes the dynamic of the whole side.

ie -

B: Henry, DeKoning (Hendo), Stewart (kolo)
HB: Duncan (O’Connor), Blicavs, Clark (Atkins)
C: Stephens (Menegola) Guthrie, Smith
HF: Narkle (Dahlhaus) Cameron, Ratugolea
F: Close, Hawkins, Miers
R: Stanley, Selwood, Danger
IB: Holmes, Simpson, Parfitt, Bews

 

[catstragic]

I would say look at North Melbourne as an example of what not to do. Delisting a good player like Brent Harvey who has already won a flag rather than trading Robbie Tarrant in 2016 who they now lose for almost no compensation ( I am not suggesting an absurd strategy like what North did, more like what Hawthorn did in trading out Hay, Thompson to go 2 steps back, then 5 forward).
If we just draft 4 players in the low 30's, hopefully they turn out to be good players, but they will have little chance of contributing to a flag next year ( like collingwoods supposed great draft hand last year).
What suggestions do you have for us to be any chance in the next 5 years.

Hope that Gawn gets caught rooting Olivers missus and Petracca does his knee?

I don't think there is anything trade wise that can be done now other than hope till 2022. The dice have been rolled.

To come out on top we need fortune on our side with no injuries to important players, improvement from fringe players and game plan which takes better advantage of this years rule changes.

We also probably need some misfortune for other strong teams to happen at the same time at the pointy end of the season (fortune did not smile on us this year losing stewart).

Its very tough to predict what 2024 onward will look like, but we should be thereabouts in 2022-2023. Probably the not the best team each year but close, and able to snag a grannie if the dice fall our way.

As has been noted the Demons just have such a strong line up, they are gonna be a massive pain in the ass for a few years I think. That Jackson kid is only bloody 19 years old with 27 games- guy is gonna get better for the next five years. (imagine having that in the wings for when your current best in League ruck steps aside)

In retrospect it would have been a moneyball move to leave JC in the GC and grab Ben Brown instead for peanuts. Would have bought you 75% of Camerons output while leaving three first round picks in the pocket which would probably get you at least one young A grader.

 

[Bangers and Mash]

Melbourne had 8 players 21yo and under play in the granny tonight.
We had barely more than that on our whole list this year - and only 1 of those got regular senior games.

We need to load up with some youth this off-season, and then actually back them in and play them next year!

 

[Lana]

You mean a team chockers full of first round draft picks, cause they tanked for so long?

This is definitely a fair point, and should really be included in any conversation when it comes to the sheer talent differential between our two sides.

This is a breakdown of all their first and second round picks:

Pick 2 - Christian Petracca
Pick 3 - Clayton Oliver
Pick 3 - Christian Salem
Pick 3 - Luke Jackson
Pick 3 - Angus Brayshaw
Pick 12 - Kysaiah Pickett
Pick 14 (traded in) - Jake Lever
Pick 21 - Jake Bowey
Pick 26 (F/S) - Jack Viney
Pick 28 - Tom Sparrow
Pick 29 - Charlie Spargo
Pick 31 - Bayley Fritsch
Pick 32 - Trent Rivers
Pick 33 - James Jordon (sub)
Pick 34 - Max Gawn
Pick 37 - Harrison Petty

***************

16/23 players all first and second round draft picks, with 7 first round draft picks (1 traded in) and 5 Top 10 draft picks, amongst them. Only Brown, Langdon, Neal-Bullen, May, McDonald, Hibberd and Harmes (7/23 players), as draft picks from the 3rd round onwards.

They deserve every single accolade this season, and were phenomenal during the finals, but it's hard to argue that they haven't been blessed with a metric sh*t ton of talent to get them there

Its simply not a recruitment strategy anyone would choose to emulate. We lose preliminary finals and everyone loses their ****ing minds. Can't imagine anyone here tolerating bottom 4 for half a decade or more(with no promise we'd be able to escape it, think about how much the AFL intervened to rescue Melbourne in the first place, how much they've help GC to no avail). Having teams poach your best free agents for 1st round compensation picks.