Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Art Vandelay_]

How many of them were recruited when they were 30 plus?

We've picked up what 3-4 players over 30 in the last decade. Someone call ACA. SCANDALOUS.
Far too much focus on here on D.O.B and not talent. Too many wanting the likes of Clark, Narkle, Constable, Kreuger to get games when they are barely up to it.

Two have been shopped in trade period's gone for no takers.
Clark couldn't hack it in Scarlo's defence.
Kreuger... No idea why he's a thing. Shown next to nothing.

 

[SkittleCats]

What suggestions do you have for us to be any chance in the next 5 years.

Well firstly, not trading away your top 4 players, one of whom has only been at the club for a year. And all of whom are still in their prime.

Secondly, remove Blicavs, O'Connor, Rohan, Dahl, Zuthrie and Higgins from any consideration for consistent AFL game time. Blicavs is the player id be dangling infront of Collingwood or Hawthorn or Gold Coast for picks, not the 4 you named. With Blicavs and O'Connor out you can move Duncan/Menegola back or onto a wing, which then opens up more opportunity in the midfield for Constable, Narkle or Simpson. And you can play Clarke in his preferred position. The possession coming off half back is the most important disposal in the game right now, and we have a slew of top end talent that excels at using the ball. You cant have too many of them playing.

With Rohan and Dahl out you can move Selwood to a forward spot which opens up more midfield time for that young group of players i named above, and Danger could move into the Rohan role while maintaining some minutes in the midfield as an impact player.

This forum will hate it but Hendo remains a vital cog in the machine. You cant take away his 1 on 1 defensive ability from this backline. But we need to give more time to SDK which can be achieved if we arent gifting games to Blicavs for no ****ing reason, but SDK is still a few years off and shouldnt be seen as a viable AFL option next year. Kolo's role becomes an interesting opportunity then, as he probably starts next year as a deeper 1 on 1 defender rather than the utility type he has been, which i think might suit him. Simplify his role and let him go for it.

Sav doesnt get a game unless a ruckman is injured, and even then id put Fort ahead of him. He will never be the forward player we hoped he would be.

If we just draft 4 players in the low 30's, hopefully they turn out to be good players, but they will have little chance of contributing to a flag next year

We could draft at pick 1 this year and that player would have little chance of contributing to a flag next year, and statistically they'd probably struggle to contribute 5 years from now too. The youth coming through has missed 2 seasons of football due to COVID, it is an awful time to be trying a rebuild now. It has taken Melbourne 20 years of tanking to build the team we saw tonight, and with Gawn turning 30 next year it's arguable they havent got long to make the most of it. The problem with this rebuild talk is that it assumes we will only be putrid for a 2-3 year period and then straight back into contention. When experience shows us that you're more likely to spend decades in the wilderness before you nail enough picks to come good.

That isnt to say that we shouldnt be trying to get picks, but there is a balance between the rebuild now rhetoric and recognising the talent we already have and how best to use it. Not too mention the role Free Agency and Trading will have.

I am optimistic about the youth we have on our list and the top end talent we know can perform. Really the issue is our game plan and that falls at the feet of CS, not the playing list.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Its simply not a recruitment strategy anyone would choose to emulate. We lose preliminary finals and everyone loses their ******* minds. Can't imagine anyone here tolerating bottom 4 for half a decade or more(with no promise we'd be able to escape it, think about how much the AFL intervened to rescue Melbourne in the first place, how much they've help GC to no avail). Having teams poach your best free agents for 1st round compensation picks.

So true...great to see some sense among all the madness.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

I just can't imagine the current Cats side running 3 games in a row with frenetic pressure and high physicality in order to win the flag. It seems every year it's teams piling pressure on us and us doing the crumbling.

It would be nice to have it go the other way for a change.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

View attachment 1246189Melbourne had 8 players 21yo and under play in the granny tonight.
We had barely more than that on our whole list this year - and only 1 of those got regular senior games.

We need to load up with some youth this off-season, and then actually back them in and play them next year!

Yes we have 18 players over 28 but if you look at the names only stewart hawkins danger cameron and possibly blitz (due to his versatility) are structurally essential..the rest are ok to very good role players who are replaceable with the good age 18-23 players we have coming through.
That list shows we have a gap in ages 24-27 but that is fillable with free agents and we will have an acre of cap space at end 2022 to do that.
Apart from drafting well this year we need to get our weekly selections right (stop picking too many defenders for example) and overhaul the gameplan.
The list is not our major issue.

 

[And_ROOS]

For all the doomsdayers. We were in front of the premiers when the final siren sounded in round 23. Yes we need to make some changes to the game plan.

We beat the Premiers twice in 2013 during the season. Failed in finals.
1-1 with the premiers in 2014, failed in finals.
2-0 against the premiers in 2016, failed in finals.
1-0 against the premiers in 2017, failed in finals.
1-0 against the premiers in 2019, failed in finals.

You can call it doomsdayers all you want, Scott is now a master in failure, his teams reputation is finals bottlers, at the end of the day who cares about Rd23 in the QF we were atrocious and in the PF Scott turned us into a meme club and the only saving grace is they did a number on the dogs so our loss isn't as embarrassing. But don't be mistaken this club is an abject finals bottle job waiting to happen every September. We haven't had a positive finals series since 2011. Best we have done was 2w2l which resulted in a GF loss where we bottled a half time lead.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Petracca just smashed what is commonly regarded as the deepest midfield in the comp, tend to think its more the fact that the guys a gun than Selwood being cooked and easily exposed.

 

[Larry Donohue]

If I was recruiter reckon keep Clark, go hard for a disgruntled mid 20s mid of quality (coniglio, dunkley, ) tell them they will lead midfield for 5 years
Go hard at Trading in Flynn who is ultra promising and OOC,
Hit draft for Knevitt and a couple of good sliders for midfield, goalscoring shark
Offload Fort to brissy,
Trade Kreuger 34 and 52 to Pies for future 1sr rounder to give them points required for daicos.
Use Pies future 1st to get into 1st round this year
Come to agreement with dahlhaus
Lower Rohans dollars in new contract
Lower Kolos dollars in new contract
Keep Henderson 1 year to support sdk to come on
Get development coaches to work hard with
Parfitts kicking technique
Sdks strength
Narkles defensive work and fitness
Constables engine
Rohans mental approach - sport psychologist
Clark's love of the club
Stephens match fitness

Bring a real forward coach and ruck coach

Selectors need to have a back 7, not 9. We need a mid forward structure first
Back 7 should basically comprise
O'Connor, Bews, Blicavs, Hendo/SDK, Stewart, Henry, Clark

Midfield
Coniglio/Dunkley type, Duncan, Guthrie, Selwood/ Constable, Parfitt, Narkle,

Wings
Tuohy, Smith, Menegola

Forwards
Hawkins, Cameron, Dangerfield, Close, Miers, Simpson

Rucks
Stanley, Flynn/Ladhams type

I/C Flynn, Menegola, Bews, Stephens

Extras Draftees, Stevens, Rohan, Kolo, Atkins, Zuthrie, Ratagolea, Higgins

A little more energy and solid management to have another crack. Young guys performing well enough come in.
Youngsters, mid age and experience on every line
Presto

 

[ShaunWDT]

If I was recruiter reckon keep Clark, go hard for a disgruntled mid 20s mid of quality (coniglio, dunkley, ) tell them they will lead midfield for 5 years
Go hard at Trading in Flynn who is ultra promising and OOC,
Hit draft for Knevitt and a couple of good sliders for midfield, goalscoring shark
Offload Fort to brissy,
Trade Kreuger 34 and 52 to Pies for future 1sr rounder to give them points required for daicos.
Use Pies future 1st to get into 1st round this year
Come to agreement with dahlhaus
Lower Rohans dollars in new contract
Lower Kolos dollars in new contract
Keep Henderson 1 year to support sdk to come on
Get development coaches to work hard with
Parfitts kicking technique
Sdks strength
Narkles defensive work and fitness
Constables engine
Rohans mental approach - sport psychologist
Clark's love of the club
Stephens match fitness

Bring a real forward coach and ruck coach

Selectors need to have a back 7, not 9. We need a mid forward structure first
Back 7 should basically comprise
O'Connor, Bews, Blicavs, Hendo/SDK, Stewart, Henry, Clark

Midfield
Coniglio/Dunkley type, Duncan, Guthrie, Selwood/ Constable, Parfitt, Narkle,

Wings
Tuohy, Smith, Menegola

Forwards
Hawkins, Cameron, Dangerfield, Close, Miers, Simpson

Rucks
Stanley, Flynn/Ladhams type

I/C Flynn, Menegola, Bews, Stephens

Extras Draftees, Stevens, Rohan, Kolo, Atkins, Zuthrie, Ratagolea, Higgins

A little more energy and solid management to have another crack. Young guys performing well enough come in.
Youngsters, mid age and experience on every line
Presto

Not a chance in hell we could afford Coniglio or Dunkley, both on big money.

Flynn I really like but I have my doubts you'd be able to get him off GWS, Preuss is made of glass and he seems to really like the club for sticking by him for such a long period through injury.

This year we really need to just go to the draft, look to bring in those big names post 2022/2023 when we should have a gold mine to play with.

 

[Whit3y]

If Clark goes, it must be another drafting disaster.
Our record in developing our 1st draft pick into a regular has been horrible.

2008 Mitch Brown R1
2009 Dan Menzel R1
2010 Billie Smedts R1
2011 Joel Hamling R2
2012 Jackson Thurlow R1
2013 Darcy Lang R1
2014 Nakia Cockatoo R1
2015 Ryan Gardiner R4
2016 Brandon Parfitt R2
2017 Lachlan Fogarty R2
2018 Jordan Clark R1
2019 Cooper Stephens R1
2020 Max Holmes R1

Parfitt is the only one that has come on.
Menzel was plain bad luck, but the rest...geez.

In Wells I don't trust

 

[CatRiot]

Midfield
Coniglio/Dunkley type

Not Dunkley. Conglio maybe, but tbh he wouldn't win us a flag.
Prefer we hit the draft... Its all about pick upgrades with any trades we do, we need to climb the draft ladder.
We can't build a proper premiership team with Picks in the 30-40 range always either, we need inside Top 20.
If we can get a gun midfielder to go with Holmes, and stick Parfitt in there, next gen will be okay.

 

[CatRiot]

In Wells I don't trust

Yeah, that list of picks didn't look good... But then again, picks after Top 15 turn into a bit of lottery, most of those are after Pick 15.

 

[Hamingja]

Melbourne won because their entire starting midfield were top 5 picks. Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw & Viney F/S who would have went top 5 in an open draft. This is not far different to our 07-11 team of Corey, Bartel, Selwood and Ablett F/S with the first 3 top 10 picks and Ablett would have been late first rounder on the open market. Yes you can pick up your tagger Harmes/Ling or your medium forward Fritsch/Johnson etc etc later on but the heavy lifting is always done by the elite talent and in the late Scott era we have only had Selwood and Dangerfield in the middle and that's it.

 

[Strange Cat]

Melbourne won because their entire starting midfield were top 5 picks. Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw & Viney F/S who would have went top 5 in an open draft. This is not far different to our 07-11 team of Corey, Bartel, Selwood and Ablett F/S with the first 3 top 10 picks and Ablett would have been late first rounder on the open market. Yes you can pick up your tagger Harmes/Ling or your medium forward Fritsch/Johnson etc etc later on but the heavy lifting is always done by the elite talent and in the late Scott era we have only had Selwood and Dangerfield in the middle and that's it.

Gaz wasn’t even rated in the open market and it took a long time before he even was …many at the time said he was only picked because of his surname

don’t go reinventing history

 

[standupand]

Stewart and cameron are too valuable to us and the others are too old to have real trade value.

We just need to phase out role players like dahl higgins rohan kolo hendo etc and draft well and get new gameplan and fitness coaches.

For me - we should never trade a heart and soul player. Hard talks about retirement, yes. But trading players that make your club what it is, will destroy it. Hawkins, Stewart, even Danger fall into that category. Cameron for us on the other hand is what Buddy Franklin is to Sydney. He's here to sell some hope and some memberships. But when the hope is gone, all you have is a long and expensive contract.

 

[00VicWard001]

We beat the Premiers twice in 2013 during the season. Failed in finals.
1-1 with the premiers in 2014, failed in finals.
2-0 against the premiers in 2016, failed in finals.
1-0 against the premiers in 2017, failed in finals.
1-0 against the premiers in 2019, failed in finals.

You can call it doomsdayers all you want, Scott is now a master in failure, his teams reputation is finals bottlers, at the end of the day who cares about Rd23 in the QF we were atrocious and in the PF Scott turned us into a meme club and the only saving grace is they did a number on the dogs so our loss isn't as embarrassing. But don't be mistaken this club is an abject finals bottle job waiting to happen every September. We haven't had a positive finals series since 2011. Best we have done was 2w2l which resulted in a GF loss where we bottled a half time lead.

Could just be that the premiers end up being too good. Not just for us, but for every other team in the comp.

No way was any other team winning this flag.

Its a long season. Ok, so you beat The premiers during the season. Are you saying that GWS could have beaten Melbourne, just because they beat them in round 16 this year? The dogs beat Melbourne during the year. Plenty of teams beat the premiers during the season.

premiership Teams pick up form at the right time. They build cohesion.

Also - Did Melbourne have any injuries to major cogs in their team? No.

 

[catman2006]

First time after a GF that I think we need a fair overhaul in the way we play and Personnel, we do look old and tired and while we may be good enough to beat 80% we aren't a genuine threat as it stands.

 

[foxdog50]

If I was recruiter reckon keep Clark, go hard for a disgruntled mid 20s mid of quality (coniglio, dunkley, ) tell them they will lead midfield for 5 years
Go hard at Trading in Flynn who is ultra promising and OOC,
Hit draft for Knevitt and a couple of good sliders for midfield, goalscoring shark
Offload Fort to brissy,
Trade Kreuger 34 and 52 to Pies for future 1sr rounder to give them points required for daicos.
Use Pies future 1st to get into 1st round this year
Come to agreement with dahlhaus
Lower Rohans dollars in new contract
Lower Kolos dollars in new contract
Keep Henderson 1 year to support sdk to come on
Get development coaches to work hard with
Parfitts kicking technique
Sdks strength
Narkles defensive work and fitness
Constables engine
Rohans mental approach - sport psychologist
Clark's love of the club
Stephens match fitness

Bring a real forward coach and ruck coach

Selectors need to have a back 7, not 9. We need a mid forward structure first
Back 7 should basically comprise
O'Connor, Bews, Blicavs, Hendo/SDK, Stewart, Henry, Clark

Midfield
Coniglio/Dunkley type, Duncan, Guthrie, Selwood/ Constable, Parfitt, Narkle,

Wings
Tuohy, Smith, Menegola

Forwards
Hawkins, Cameron, Dangerfield, Close, Miers, Simpson

Rucks
Stanley, Flynn/Ladhams type

I/C Flynn, Menegola, Bews, Stephens

Extras Draftees, Stevens, Rohan, Kolo, Atkins, Zuthrie, Ratagolea, Higgins

A little more energy and solid management to have another crack. Young guys performing well enough come in.
Youngsters, mid age and experience on every line
Presto

I don't mind everything EXCEPT , recruiting Dunkley or Conilgo, Why as they will cost us high end draft picks,and we need to us those picks to recruit the best players in the draft..
Over the next few years I would only try recruit big name players using RFA/UFA.. As we need to hit the draft using the picks in getting the best kids
There is no way Collingwood will deal that with Kreuger etc..
And also unfortunately Henderson doesn’t get a new deal, as I'd ratherive games int SDK, and usehis spot on a Kid

 

[year of the cat]

Melbourne won because their entire starting midfield were top 5 picks. Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw & Viney F/S who would have went top 5 in an open draft. This is not far different to our 07-11 team of Corey, Bartel, Selwood and Ablett F/S with the first 3 top 10 picks and Ablett would have been late first rounder on the open market. Yes you can pick up your tagger Harmes/Ling or your medium forward Fritsch/Johnson etc etc later on but the heavy lifting is always done by the elite talent and in the late Scott era we have only had Selwood and Dangerfield in the middle and that's it.

Bingo. Until we drop and pick up elite young midfielders, we will be paddling.

 

[tielgaz]

Me to Daz, 3 talls in Cameron, Hawkins and Kreuger, with 3 smalls in Evans, Close and Miers

Is it just me or is Miers frustrating as a player doesn’t do anything normal.

 

[tielgaz]

Bingo. Until we drop and pick up elite young midfielders, we will be paddling.

So on the bottom for 5 years! Melbourne must had at least 10 1st rounder on their list by being cellar dwellers for a decade.

 

[Motlop Magic]

For all the doomsdayers. We were in front of the premiers when the final siren sounded in round 23. Yes we need to make some changes to the game plan. But there’s an enormous upside coming. Holmes will be better with another preseason under his belt. So will Ratugolea, Simpson, Narkle, Miers and Clark (if he stays, and let’s not forget, he’s contracted and hasn’t asked for a trade yet). The club have very high hopes for Stephen’s, and it’s quite plausible he has a big preseason and comes out playing good senior footy from round 1. Jack Henry

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Jack Henry

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

142.6

2star

D

8.6

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

142.6

3star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

started this year in the VFL, and by round 23 he was being talked about as a possible AA defender. He has huge upside. De koning is
A huge talent. He’ll be better with another preseason and we will start to see him play senior footy.

From the team we put out in round 23, we only need 3 or 4 of these kids to improve by 15% and it changes the dynamic of the whole side.

ie -

B: Henry, DeKoning (Hendo), Stewart (kolo)
HB: Duncan (O’Connor), Blicavs, Clark (Atkins)
C: Stephens (Menegola) Guthrie, Smith
HF: Narkle (Dahlhaus) Cameron, Ratugolea
F: Close, Hawkins, Miers
R: Stanley, Selwood, Danger
IB: Holmes, Simpson, Parfitt, Bews

No Duncan though…hmmm


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[tielgaz]

we need another mid bull to help danger,

Agree, we need some aggression in the middle, Petracca type would be nice

 

[year of the cat]

We've picked up what 3-4 players over 30 in the last decade. Someone call ACA. SCANDALOUS.
Far too much focus on here on D.O.B and not talent. Too many wanting the likes of Clark, Narkle, Constable, Kreuger to get games when they are barely up to it.

Two have been shopped in trade period's gone for no takers.
Clark couldn't hack it in Scarlo's defence.
Kreuger... No idea why he's a thing. Shown next to nothing.

No, just a lot of us wanting to recognise that the group we currently have - both young and old aren’t going to cut it. That the game plan is garbage. And that we need to invest in the draft rather than trade picks away.

 

[catman2006]

wish list is Scott to coach the suns and takes Kolo Blitz and Menegola with him would have said dalhaus but even the suns aren't that stupid.