Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Sky]

We have a future 1st as well as 2 x 2nd rounders (one tied to Kangas)

Assuming you’re after Phillipou and I don’t want another midfielder (Clark). Unless Geelong goes with Busslinger then I want this deal done.

 

[Night90Cat]

Can guarantee it won't, lol. We don't pick FIGJAM's and he's one of the biggest I've seen in a while. Be Clark or Busslinger, IMO

I know nothing about his character and will let Wells vet them and not rely on gossip, but on footballing ability he's the best option from what I can see, especially based on projection and versatility.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I think the pick will be Matteus Phillipou, just outstanding size and attributes, versatile and dynamic, gives you a bit of everything, will be a beast after a few years development, I think his upside is enormous.

I want Humprey, but I just think he will be gone & I'm certainly warming to Phillipou even more than Clark.

Phillipou could be better than most of these mids anyway (certainly has some Bont traits).

I just think we will end up with Clark though (potentially Busslinger if we want the tall instead) but I'd be damn happy with Phillipou.

Tall dynamic, strong overhead marking mids that kick goals don't grow on trees (a left footer aswell).

In the end... Time will tell who we get and how all these kids develop.

 

[Night90Cat]

Lol he literally outed himself as a FIGJAM, even after a lot of insider draft watchers said as much...when he said and I quote 'I'd pick myself with the Number 1 pick.'

That's your prerogative, but Clark has been highly rated across the last 2-3 seasons, rather than just popping up late now - so I'd say he's a much better prospect from what I've seen, IMO.

Any confident dude with serious intention about his career is going to say pick me at 1, I'd be surprised if any of the top ten prospects didn't say the same. If they didn't as a recruiter I'd ask why do you think they are they better than you?

in any case despite your insiders gossip, I have sourced a couple of interviews on YouTube where he gives his time to young reporter types and I think he comes across well. Watch and make up your own mind, but I think he provides some good insight into his game and what other young footballers can do to develop theirs. Yes his confident but there are other important traits on show as well.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Any confident dude with serious intention about his career is going to say pick me at 1, I'd be surprised if any of the top ten prospects didn't say the same. If they didn't as a recruiter I'd ask why do you think they are they better than you?

in any case despite your insiders gossip, I have sourced a couple of interviews on YouTube where he gives his time to young reporter types and I think he comes across well. Watch and make up your own mind, but I think he provides some good insight into his game and what other young footballers can do to develop theirs. Yes his confident but there are other important traits on show as well.

Thoughtful and articulate - if he was a FIGJAM he wouldn't have treated these young and green interviewers with the respect and politeness he did IMO.
I like his confidence and frankness plus his highlights look very, very good.
Would not be disappointed , willing to go interstate and "grateful to go anywhere"

 

[Strange Cat]

They are all FIGJAM at 18 let’s be honest here what young athletic male wouldn’t be

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

They are all FIGJAM at 18 let’s be honest here what young athletic male wouldn’t be

No they aren't.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

...Cadman, Clark, McKenzie, Hotton, Fletcher, Humphrey, Hustwaite, Sheezel, Davey Jnr, Cowan, Wardlaw, Hotton...and that's just in this article. Ashcroft comes across well too, but it's hard to tell given he is the clear number 1 - so he doesn't have to say he would pick himself.

Hewett, Tsatas and Phillipou all say they'd pick themselves for varying reasons, but Phillipou is the only one who is really cocky about it - and says that everyone should be picking themselves or they're not good enough to make it.

It's not normal, the kid seems like an absolute tool, lol - and there are a lot of avid draft watchers who say the same thing - along with the flight risk issue.

We asked 16 AFL prospects who they’d take with Pick 1. The clear favourite wasn’t the unanimous choice

We asked 16 AFL prospects who should go No.1. The clear favourite wasn’t unanimous

www.foxsports.com.au

EDIT: literally just got this off the main board not 2 minutes ago:

"What are you hearing about Phillipou?"

"Heard he does not want to go to WA, not sure if it includes other interstate clubs or not though. I have some contacts linked to the club through business dealings."

I remember speaking to Leigh Colbert one night and he recounts an exchange with Nathan Buckley at the first bounce ... Colbert lined up on a wing next to Buckley.

Buckley goes, ' they've seriously sent you to play on me, I'm going to give you a bath.'

Colbert destroyed him.

At the end of the game they shook hands and Colby goes 'well at least you're clean.'

 

[dangerwood]

I think I really want Clark. I fear missing out on what Phillipou might become but I think I'm jumping on the Clark bandwagon. It could be the absence of Selwood, I know he can't be replaced but this kid tries his guts out.

I originally thought he might be a bit boring....but what's boring about a kid with talent who tries his hardest everytime, how many times have we been thankful that Selwood was having a crack..gave you pride even when we lost....

Yep, I've convinced myself, Clark it is!

 

[Shadow89]

I remember speaking to Leigh Colbert one night and he recounts an exchange with Nathan Buckley at the first bounce ... Colbert lined up on a wing next to Buckley.

Buckley goes, ' they've seriously sent you to play on me, I'm going to give you a bath.'

Colbert destroyed him.

At the end of the game they shook hands and Colby goes 'well at least you're clean.'

Oh that's so good. Love me a bit of Colby

Would've made Bucks think twice before he talked sh*t to anyone again in the future

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Oh that's so good. Love me a bit of Colby

Would've made Bucks think twice before he talked sh*t to anyone again in the future

It was at the old Lyric nightclub. A long time ago now.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Rookie upgrades?

The article specifically said that it would be minimum 54 drafted so I'm guessing took that into account

 

[Vdubs]

They are all FIGJAM at 18 let’s be honest here what young athletic male wouldn’t be

No they aren't.

Sloane, Stephenson, Tom Boyd, McStay, Weideman Petracca, Cerra prior to their drafts, as examples, were certainly not FIGJAMS.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Aaron Cadman knows he'll be Pick 1, and he still said Ashcroft. This is what Phillipou said - it's not very humble at all and lines up with what draft watchers have said:

“I think I‘d have to say myself, just because I think if you’re not going to back yourself, you probably don’t have the confidence required to play in the league,” he said.

“Whether I think I’m the best right now, I would probably say yes as well. But look at the end of the day, it‘s what clubs need and I might not be the best fit for a club. But if I had Pick 1, I’d definitely be taking myself.”

It's not just that he thinks he's the best, but that he also thinks anyone who doesn't say they're the best in the league, 'doesn't have the confidence to play in the league' - which is just arrogant as f*ck.

I gotta say, you're being pretty dismissive of what people who are actually well-versed on this are saying - by calling it 'gossip' in a derogatory sense, based on just youtube videos and highlight clips, lol. He's also apparently a flight risk, so that's another added element we'll be wary of - given the TK and Clark events in recent years.

Screams delisted in 2 years. I can't remember these sort of comments working in any sport prior to being drafted. They just come back to bite you more often than not.

For any NFL fans in here, Josh Rosen infamously went at pick 10, and stated "There were 9 mistakes ahead of me".


.....next thing you know, they draft his replacement the next year and he loses his job.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Sloane, Stephenson, Tom Boyd, McStay, Weideman Petracca, Cerra prior to their drafts, as examples, were certainly not FIGJAMS.

It is changing though Dubs. Every year we creep closer and closer, you can see it in the draft interviews.

I've mentioned it on here before so I won't go on too much...but it's all social media related. When you're an 18 year old, you're naturally pretty egotistical anyway, particularly as a footy player and due to that likely being a popular type at school (I can safely say I was a ***** at that age, and have changed for the better after some feedback)

These guys already have that base, and are now having their highlights posted all over the place and told how good they are from 14-15. That simply just didn't happen even 10 years ago.

I don't necessarily hate it, but we can't deny it's becoming more and more common.

 

[Night90Cat]

There's a real interesting moment in that second video where the young lad @12:26 asks Phillipou "if you could have one player for an hour to pick his brains, and not in a zombie way, who do you choose?"

And the answer is: "Gary Ablett Senior"

And the young lad replies "Oh, not the Junior? The Senior?"

And Phillipou's follow up is "Well I think Junior learnt a lot from his dad so you kind of get the best off both from Senior I reckon"

Now think about that a second:

A cocky young upstart would have said the opposite: "Junior, because he could learn everything off his old man as well as what he learnt from doing it on his own" but he said Senior because he respects the generation above him and believes wisdom is found at it's ultimate source and is passed down generation to generation. I reckon that's a sign of mature young man who can easily be coached.

ps: as to p7/8 I too would be happy for whoever Wells chooses... be it Clark, Busslinger or even Phillipou.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Dunno about u guys but I love Figs and in a Jam form.
Absolutely devine!!
The Poo The Buzz or The Mack Truck.
Any of those would be nice.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Screams delisted in 2 years. I can't remember these sort of comments working in any sport prior to being drafted. They just come back to bite you more often than not.

For any NFL fans in here, Josh Rosen infamously went at pick 10, and stated "There were 9 mistakes ahead of me".


.....next thing you know, they draft his replacement the next year and he loses his job.

I’m pretty sure Paul Pierce said pretty much the same during his draft process.
And he was right. lol

 

[calder_daddy]

Can guarantee it won't, lol. We don't pick FIGJAM's and he's one of the biggest I've seen in a while. Be Clark or Busslinger, IMO

Lol we literally have Dangerfield in our side

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Lol we literally have Dangerfield in our side

I was gunna say the same thing… lol

 

[Vdubs]

Thoughtful and articulate - if he was a FIGJAM he wouldn't have treated these young and green interviewers with the respect and politeness he did IMO.
I like his confidence and frankness plus his highlights look very, very good.
Would not be disappointed , willing to go interstate and "grateful to go anywhere"

aGREE. i CAN ONLY SEE POSITIVITY ABOUT THIS KID. aND BEST OF ALL, HE NOMINATED aBLETT SNR AS THE goat, AND the PERSON HE'D LIKE TO LEARN FROM.

apologies again for capslock

 

[dangerwood]

Screams delisted in 2 years. I can't remember these sort of comments working in any sport prior to being drafted. They just come back to bite you more often than not.

For any NFL fans in here, Josh Rosen infamously went at pick 10, and stated "There were 9 mistakes ahead of me".


.....next thing you know, they draft his replacement the next year and he loses his job.

Reminds me of James "the missile" Magnussen.

 

[Shooooltzey]

Personally I think Busslinger would be a bit of a silly selection for us. I think he is a great talent but I don't think there is a need to use 7 on him. Our aging players aren't key defenders and this pick gives us the best opportunity to replace one of these older players in the next few years. I also don't think he is going to compliment sdk that well. We want to enable sdk to intercept for the next 10 years but I think having busslinger in the team would inhibit his intercepting. I think we would want a really good 1v1 player to compliment sdk and that isn't Busslinger's strength. It still could work and I could look like an absolute baboon in a few years but I really just think we should draft one of these mids. Also I see it incredibly hard for Busslinger to break into the team the next few years which could make him a flight risk.

I've got all my fingers and toes crossed for Clark and if not McKenzie but at the end of the day I am just a bloke who has watched all the state u18 games and trust whatever decision Wellsy makes.

Also I get we drafted a bunch of mids last year but none of them would be as talented as the guy we draft at 7.

Also those interviews of Phillipou remind me a lot of Neale so I wouldn't say we wouldn't draft a guy that confident. I have no problem with him saying everyone should view themselves as the no. 1 pick. As a person who has studied a bit of sports psychology I think it is a great mindset to have. I don't believe it is him genuinely thinking he is better than everyone else but instead it is a mechanism to firstly feel confident in your ability and secondly to not think about ranking yourself among others which can be quite dangerous for your mental health.

I also think there is the possibility it wasn't really genuine, considering he is quite clearly the best SA prospect he doesn't really know any high pick players that well. There is always a possibility he didn't want to throw around a name who he doesn't really know and only versed once in the u18 games. Him saying everyone should think that way might've just been the first idea he had to rationalise what he was saying by avoiding saying someone else. The other option would be to say i don't care which probably comes across worse.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Ablett Snr was one of the most 'one man band' footballers I've ever seen in my life. He was brilliant. He was a genius. He was the guy who made me start supporting the Cats when I was 5 years old...but he wasn't a guy who did things to bring his teammates into it - he just did it all himself and did the impossible.

If that's who Phillipou is modeling himself on, then that says he's all about the showmanship and doing it all himself- because that's what Senior did for most of his career. If he'd said Selwood, Hodge, Hawkins, N. Riewoldt etc. then you could probably take that as a sign the kid wants to be a leader and contribute to a club...but much like JHF last year, some of these kids think they're bigger than the club and make it all about them - and then get a rude shock when they're shown otherwise in the real stuff.

There's obviously people like yourself and a fair cohort in here who see things differently, so I'm happy to respect that - and I honestly hope I'm wrong as I don't want any kid to fail...but everything I've heard and seen thus far says to me this kid is just a big fish in a small pond, and he'll get a massive reality check once he hits the big leagues. It's why some clubs apparently don't rate him as a Top 10 pick, but then others rate him as a Top 5 pick- as he's easily the most divisive kid in the draft.

My point though from the beginning, is we just don't draft these type of kids anymore. Clubs like Essendon and Saints with their culture issues are happy to go for these guys, as they think it'll bring them the success they want...but don't realize that De Goey/Stringer types create a cancer within clubs and divide the group...and the prospect of success dies along with them. Not saying this will be the case, but Sam Flanders, another kid who was like this and had attitude issues during his draft year, will probably be delisted next year the way he's going - and he was in a similar draft position as Phillipou...and thought he was better than he was.

Anyway, all of us on this board obviously have our perspectives, and we won't know otherwise for a year or two, so I'll leave it there and we can revisit down the track when we know more/have a better idea of who he is.

It's the definitive boom or bust personality trait in sports for mine, usually because it comes in two forms.

Form 1: I'm the best, because I work harder than anyone else, I practice my craft to perfection and can back up my talk on the field.

Form 2: I'm the best, because....well...I'm the best! No real reason, just how I feel about myself.

The first one is the one that succeeds....the second one always gets a huge reality check. Remains to be seen which category young Mattaes fits into.

 

[strauchnyy]

Danger is a larrikin, not a figjam. He was in awe of Sel and his leadership when he arrived - not constantly going on about himself. There's a big difference.

The guy is 17, has a bit of confidence and you’re writing him off character wise?

Cmon mate. There were 2 or 3 other guys including Tsatas who said the same thing. I think you’re reading a bit too much into it.

I see a talented kid with a bit of confidence and that’s a good thing. The great thing about our club is our culture and getting the most out of our players, even if they are different. You can be confident and also have great character. In fact I think it’s a good thing. You compare it to someone like knevitt who sounds incredibly shy and timid and it shows in the way he plays. When the game is on the line I want the guy walking tall taking it by the scruff of the neck. In one of phillipous highlights he takes a guy on, runs to 55 and slots it home. That’s game changing. I want that in our side.

I’d be elated if we drafted phillipou or Clark. But I reckon phillipou will be the pick of this yrs draft