Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Heckler]

Things to consider when evaluating potential recruits

Would you rather recruit?
1: A small fearless hardworking mid with with average skills and speed : Clark
2: A bigger mid with great skills, speed and smarts. : Phillipou

Who has a better upside?
3: A physically mature KP dominating the U/18 comp. : Busslinger
4: A lanky outstanding KP due to his skills and smarts : Jefferson : Keeler

What late pick is a safer bet?
5: A player with a good mindset but still to show AFL level skills and smarts : Unknow kid
6: A player with proven AFL level skills and smarts but attitude problems. : Sydney Stack


These are difficult decisions best left to the experts.
My choices are bolded

Issac Keeler Kf/Ruck 198cm 88kg

Sydney Stack

 

[catstragic]

I reckon Dempsey will be the biggest surprise packet. Has real untapped talent and athleticism. His start of the yr was as as good as any young player on our list with zero base. I see him as a future gun, Brett burton / rozee type on a hff or wing. Will surprise.

On the other end of the spectrum I reckon knevitt will be delisted.

I'm backing the Dempsey call. I Reckon he becomes special.

 

[catstragic]

I think a big part of us maintaining our competitiveness in the next few seasons ( and beyond) will be how the recent draftees develop - Neale , Conway , Willis , Kroger, Knevitt , Whyte and Dempsey. Add Ollie H, Bowes , Bruhn and #7 to that list and you have a decent young squad going forward who are to press for regular spots. The future mightn't be so bleak after all

This trade period has basically negated the list demographic cliff we were facing last year. Massive bump in junior talent who will be ready to step up as needed.

 

[Vdubs]

That mock draft forgot that Bailey Humprey is alive.

Lewis Hayes #6 in that Mock Draft?
I rate him highly. Would swoop on him if available at our pick.

Things to consider when evaluating potential recruits

Would you rather recruit?
1: A small fearless hardworking mid with with average skills and speed : Clark
2: A bigger mid with great skills, speed and smarts. : Phillipou

Who has a better upside?
3: A physically mature KP dominating the U/18 comp. : Busslinger
4: A lanky outstanding KP due to his skills and smarts : Jefferson : Keeler

What late pick is a safer bet?
5: A player with a good mindset but still to show AFL level skills and smarts : Unknow kid
6: A player with proven AFL level skills and smarts but attitude problems. : Sydney Stack


These are difficult decisions best left to the experts.
My choices are bolded

Issac Keeler Kf/Ruck 198cm 88kg

Sydney Stack

Great points.
With that in mind, your #4- Lewis Hayes
Eastern Ranges backman Lewis Hayes is one of the leading key-position defenders, firming as a stellar intercept option for his side's rearguard while also being a serviceable user of the ball coming out of defence.

The younger brother of Port Adelaide ruckman Sam, Hayes is set to join his sibling in the top flight as he ranks as a likely first-round draft selection.

Arguably the best intercepting option in the draft, Hayes is sure to be in the sighs of several clubs looking to bolster their backline when they first enter the draft.

Adding to his prolific aerial abilities, Hayes is an astute mover of the Sherrin, with his disposal efficiency set at 91 per cent for Vic Metro in the National Championships this year.


Hayes managed 20.7 disposals and 5.3 marks per game for the Ranges in the NAB League, proving to be a ball-winner despite his post as a key defender.

Standing one centimetre short of the two-metre mark, Hayes immediately has the height to match it with the new age of tall forwards, but his frame will falter against ready-made spearheads.

Definitely a KPP for the future, allowing JHenry to play as a big bodied mid.

 

[CatRiot]

Knightmare had Clohesy in the 60-100 rankings for this draft on YT, but he gave him glowing reviews on his ability to run two ways, tackle, pressure, and get contested ball... Probably a little bit in that Atkins mould I suspect with him.

Kinightmare also had Phillipou in the Top 2 rankings...

 

[catstragic]

Based on the highlight packages Phillopou is the clear no2 pick. Based on my junior highlights reel I probably would have gone top 10 though.. highlights don't mean much! (good hoof thou)

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I rate all of these guys but to me none of them are going to be that true A Grade mid that can burst out of a stoppage, kick goals and ooze class, don't think weve got that on the list tbh.

Looks like they are keeping Simpson.

We just won the flag with (on paper) our worst midfield since 2015. I wouldn't be worried.

The club finds ways around these things. We've either already got that player on our list, or have him in the pipeline trade wise in the future. It's a business for these guys, and they're the best in the comp at it.

It'll happen again this year. There will be a handful of players who we knew nothing about or had already written off (E.g Zuthrie) who are suddenly non-negotiable in the best 22. It happens every year.

 

[CatRiot]

I don't think we can make a call on Knevitt until he puts on like 20kgs

Knevitt won't be a +100kg player. More like around 90-92kgs.

 

[Vdubs]

We just won the flag with (on paper) our worst midfield since 2015. I wouldn't be worried.

The club finds ways around these things. We've either already got that player on our list, or have him in the pipeline trade wise in the future. It's a business for these guys, and they're the best in the comp at it.

It'll happen again this year. There will be a handful of players who we knew nothing about or had already written off (E.g Zuthrie) who are suddenly non-negotiable in the best 22. It happens every year.

Agree about the no need to worry, but--Danger, Selwood, Atkins, Guthrie, Smith, Duncan, Blicavs, Stanley, Parfitt...our MF was great on paper and in reality

 

[iameviljez]

I remember Bomber talking about Hawkins in a press conference saying he may never live up to the lofty heights we were expecting him to.

I think once rucking for him was ditched - except inside 50, and other than getting rubbed out for that prelim he has lived up to expectations.

I just think he will be the one making the call and if he can continue to perform he has a few years left in him. He loves the club too much to leave it before his time.

And yet if it weren’t for his back issues, he would have been a lot better.

He was phenomenal in 2012.

 

[iameviljez]

Agree about the no need to worry, but--Danger, Selwood, Atkins, Guthrie, Smith, Duncan, Blicavs, Stanley, Parfitt...our MF was great on paper and in reality

That’s a lot of names that go from 6/10 to 8/10, bar Dangerfield. Danger managed to turn back the clock incredibly well.

 

[fpm84]

That’s a lot of names that go from 6/10 to 8/10, bar Dangerfield. Danger managed to turn back the clock incredibly well.

I think the depth of our midfield was a huge advantage this year, sure we don't have the Petracca/Oliver types (obviously Danger was there a couple of years ago) but I don't think any club bats deeper than us. It was a huge luxury to have Danger and Selwood come in off the bench, Selwood managed throughout the year, and the different looks we could throw our opponents like Blicavs as a stoppage beast or tagger, Atkins as a tackling machine or Holmes with his explosive pace.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Knevitt won't be a +100kg player. More like around 90-92kgs.

He's 194cm. I feel like 90-92 kgs will be skinny for an inside mid role. Regardless of final weight or position, he either needs time to put on kgs to get back to the role he played as a junior or he needs time to learn the wing role they're playing him in now.

If you're dropping him after 2 years then you didn't draft him with realistic expectations

 

[Turbocat]

Himmleberg and McKay free agents next year. Keep drafting the best player and recruit for need through the trade period.

Unless we know these players are interested a long way out ...like Danger and perhaps Cameron. .. I think you must draft ...to some degree with list balance in mind.

 

[Cataholic]

It's very late for me, but I cannot just let this go.

..when are people going to recognise the damage the written word can inflict on others. ...particular so when we have no idea the life circumstances individual posters are dealing with in their daily lives. Is it soooooo important to be right on the internet?

Really?

Time after time I delete posts that are "off topic"...regularly because the post is focussed on another poster rather than on football and related topics. I know my colleagues in the Mod team deal with these issues as I do...its infuriating .

We are adults here..it should not be that difficult to temper your posts while at the same time, challenging/disagreeing with opinions expressed by others.

There are many posters here...in fact a significant majority ...who rarely if ever feel the need to denigrate/diminish other people's opinions....yet...are able to express their own opinions without focussing on the individual they may not agree with.

It's not that hard.

I have known Shadow89 for years. He's no angel.....I suspect he would agree...we have had our moments.... but I have never found him to be abusive or disrespectful.

I hope that a few take the time to PM him and urge him to return and keep contributing to the issues that impact on the thing that we all share...our love for the GFC..its players, admin, coaches, recruiting team, medical team and fellow supporters...

And with that..it's time for me to crash.

GO CATS

I've reached out but it seems like the damage has been done and another good poster has been lost to our Board.

Downright shame.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Agree about the no need to worry, but--Danger, Selwood, Atkins, Guthrie, Smith, Duncan, Blicavs, Stanley, Parfitt...our MF was great on paper and in reality

It becomes a pretty average midfield once you take Danger,Selwood,Guthrie,Blicavs out IMHO and we arent that far away from that being our reality which is why I'm happy for us to keep topping up on quality mids, dont agree with the notion that we had a poor midfield this year though.

 

[MacStradbroke]

I think the depth of our midfield was a huge advantage this year, sure we don't have the Petracca/Oliver types (obviously Danger was there a couple of years ago) but I don't think any club bats deeper than us. It was a huge luxury to have Danger and Selwood come in off the bench, Selwood managed throughout the year, and the different looks we could throw our opponents like Blicavs as a stoppage beast or tagger, Atkins as a tackling machine or Holmes with his explosive pace.

Depth and 4 All Australians, so not too shabby that midfield.

 

[MacStradbroke]

It becomes a pretty average midfield once you take Danger,Selwood,Guthrie,Blicavs out IMHO and we arent that far away from that being our reality which is why I'm happy for us to keep topping up on quality mids, dont agree with the notion that we had a poor midfield this year though.

Haha you just took 4 players out, all midfields are mediocre if you take away the best 4.

 

[Turbocat]

Does Phillipou have the go home factor? Or is he happy to go anywhere...

How can you really tell?

Jordan Clark made all the right noises early on. What will a kids mind set be if they do not get selected in the first two or three years? It seems like Neale is happy atm but he is not signing long term and he probably knows we rate him. Taking a player from out of state has to be riskier than taking a in state player or a local if you see their talent as comparable.. What did Henry tell clubs predraft ? and he was in state.. and he played some footy. Id think its tough to know what a player will be happy with once they get drafted... as the draft for most is not playing small ball...its big time big crowds. If a SA player is drafted by a non Vic club and is uncontracted in two years time..would they just Hatley that club?

If we rate a non Vic player as much better than other players available then fine..I think we take the risk but if its a marginal call id prefer to go local.

 

[Phill Hendo]

Just on people expecting Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

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105kg

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2.1

5star

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12.7

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8.6

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5.1

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to retire soon, I certainly hope he doesnt. Toma is playing great football and his impact is at least as high as at any time in his career. I'm hoping we get at least 3 more years from him and he continues to we perhaps the finest example of a team first full forward in the games history. (He even does that when he negotiates his pay deal.) So he can keep going around just as long as he wants to.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Haha you just took 4 players out, all midfields are mediocre if you take away the best 4.

No shit, but people are acting like we dont need to prepare for the future when our
4 best mids for the season are all over 30 and one of them just retired, we dont win that flag without Danger,Selwood,Guthrie and Blicavs we are going to have to replace that level of talent very soon, can never have too many mids on a list.

 

[MacStradbroke]

No s**t, but people are acting like we dont need to prepare for the future when our
4 best mids for the season are all over 30 and one of them just retired, we dont win that flag without Danger,Selwood,Guthrie and Blicavs we are going to have to replace that level of talent very soon, can never have too many mids on a list.

It’s a good argument. Just in here, many are opposed to Clark thinking we have too many mids and there are just as many thinking we can never have too many. The balance isn’t too bad for me at the moment so I’m hoping for best available, whichever that is deemed by the maestro.

 

[Turbocat]

My post was more intended to confer the outstanding attitude that Clark has rather than to reflect poorly on Phillipou.

It seems Geelong place a high value of what they see when in their system and around the club.

We have drafted so many of our own VFL types committed to Chlosey and Riccardi ..after having seen them in the VFL... and the same is probably said for Clark. They like a lot of what is not in the 2 minute videos or even full replays. If one broke down all the aspects of Joel Selwood into kicking and marking and speed etc etc... I struggle to say he was super elite in any... its the whole package ..that made him Joel.. and what I have read its some othose aspects they like with Clark. Height , speed, kicking... he does not appear best in anything... yet leadership and consistency and in game play in big moments.

The recent game that I saw the VicM v VicC... that game should have been won by his efforts imo. The comparison to Joel is just to hard. The odds are no one will ever be him. He is Atkins size and if he ends up as good but from an earlier age a club will have a very good player that they drafted.

 

[ShaunWDT]

It’s a good argument. Just in here, many are opposed to Clark thinking we have too many mids and there are just as many thinking we can never have too many. The balance isn’t too bad for me at the moment so I’m hoping for best available, whichever that is deemed by the maestro.

Id prefer we take the guy with the potential to be the next Bont/Trac/Danger type that can really win games for us than pick another fairly vanilla mid like Clark, think we have that covered already with the likes of Parfitt,Atkins,Bowes and Bruhn, need that real match winner for mine, every chance we just go to free agency for it though in a couple years.

 

[Turbocat]

It’s a good argument. Just in here, many are opposed to Clark thinking we have too many mids and there are just as many thinking we can never have too many. The balance isn’t too bad for me at the moment so I’m hoping for best available, whichever that is deemed by the maestro.

Id say we are close to having too many young players and we will struggle to give them all chances. I guess it gets down to what is an acceptable number for churn. The 2018 draft looks thin now. In three years time... how many will be still on our list from 2021? Clark and Bruhn will push others out or deny chances to thosse waiting.. but we also must keep turning the list over. I think we are well covered in mids compared to talls... but they are even harder to nail the right number for.