Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Jhye Clark 13]

No s**t, but people are acting like we dont need to prepare for the future when our
4 best mids for the season are all over 30 and one of them just retired, we dont win that flag without Danger,Selwood,Guthrie and Blicavs we are going to have to replace that level of talent very soon, can never have too many mids on a list.

In saying that, we have a stack of young midfield talent as insurance. Sure, some might not make it but we're heading in the right direction to ensure the Dangers, etc, are somewhat covered.

I actually think it's the key forward post that's going to be our biggest challenge post Hawkins ... Which makes me believe getting Neale to put pen to paper again should be our #1 priority. He's going to get offers from the WA clubs this year and he's the one we can Ill afford to lose.

And we're set in the key back area given Henry, Kolodjashnij and SDK are still quite young.


This is our mid group under 25;

Bowes
Bruhn
Dempsey - who will end up on a wing
Holmes
Knevitt
Kroeger
Parfitt
Whyte
Willis

There's still some talent in that list and there's a chance we'll add Jhye Clark via the draft. Then there's Clohesy - who I rate - and Riccardi as a possibilities in the rookie draft.

 

[Turbocat]

Id prefer we take the guy with the potential to be the next Bont/Trac/Danger type that can really win games for us than pick another fairly vanilla mid like Clark, think we have that covered already with the likes of Parfitt,Atkins,Bowes and Bruhn, need that real match winner for mine, every chance we just go to free agency for it though in a couple years.

Who would you prefer ... someone like Humpfrey?

I think there is an element to having an early pick that reminds me of being an ordinary golfer. Maybe only one or two greens made in regulation per round ... that you have a chance to make par.... whats the minds set. Dont mess it up? Or go for the birdie putt. A lot easier if you are landing on the green in reg most holes.

If we had drafted Bartel last year maybe we are happy to draft Mackie this year... the loose pick.

Do we pick vanilla or pick boysenberry peanut chill cookie crackle ?

Can we risk 7 failing when we have not had a 7 for so long?

 

[MacStradbroke]

Id prefer we take the guy with the potential to be the next Bont/Trac/Danger type that can really win games for us than pick another fairly vanilla mid like Clark, think we have that covered already with the likes of Parfitt,Atkins,Bowes and Bruhn, need that real match winner for mine, every chance we just go to free agency for it though in a couple years.

Clark is a gun, he ain’t no vanilla mid.

I pretty much never comment on new kids coming through usually coz I’ve never seen them play, however on this occasion I have seen him play…enough to form a decent judgement, and I’d love him to land at Geelong at the end of the month.

 

[Kitcat]

Id say we are close to having too many young players and we will struggle to give them all chances. I guess it gets down to what is an acceptable number for churn. The 2018 draft looks thin now. In three years time... how many will be still on our list from 2021? Clark and Bruhn will push others out or deny chances to thosse waiting.. but we also must keep turning the list over. I think we are well covered in mids compared to talls... but they are even harder to nail the right number for.

It is quite an achievement to be close to having too many young players after all the jokes about our zimmer list.
A couple of talls would add balance but I don’t think they will use 7 on a tall. The club values character and culture so Clark may be taken on this basis as the deciding factor.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Who would you prefer ... someone like Humpfrey?

I think there is an element to having an early pick that reminds me of being an ordinary golfer. Maybe only one or two greens made in regulation per round ... that you have a chance to make par.... whats the minds set. Dont mess it up? Or go for the birdie putt. A lot easier if you are landing on the green in reg most holes.

If we had drafted Bartel last year maybe we are happy to draft Mackie this year... the loose pick.

Do we pick vanilla or pick boysenberry peanut chill cookie crackle ?

Can we risk 7 failing when we have not had a 7 for so long?

I think we are going to have to take the risk sooner or later on that tall powerful mid/forward type if we want to compete long term with the Melbourne's,Carlton's and Western Bulldogs sort of midfields, just aren't going to be able to compete when your whole midfield is 180-185cm, unless Knevitt really comes on we dont have any of those guys coming through on our list right now, which is why I'd be inclined to take Phillipou while hes there for the taking if it was up to me and was disappointed we let Stephens go virtually for nothing as he fills a future list need.

 

[Turbocat]

It is quite an achievement to be close to having too many young players after all the jokes about our zimmer list.
A couple of talls would add balance but I don’t think they will use 7 on a tall. The club values character and culture so Clark may be taken on this basis as the deciding factor.

We can flood our list with youth..we probably average 4 to 5 kids a year to our list... but few are obviously 'wins' If we go thru our list atm and put a number of game next to them ... my guess is half the kids probably are churned out without much in the way of outcome... like Evan or Stephens or worse Williams

 

[Turbocat]

I think we are going to have to take the risk sooner or later on that tall powerful mid/forward type if we want to compete long term with the Melbourne's,Carlton's and Western Bulldogs sort of midfields, just aren't going to be able to compete when your whole midfield is 180-185cm, unless Knevitt really comes on we dont have any of those guys coming through on our list right now, which is why I'd be inclined to take Phillipou while hes there for the taking if it was up to me and was disappointed we let Stephens go virtually for nothing as he fills a future list need.

Perfect world... id love Clark to be 188 plus... but id probably place more value on other aspects than just height. There are plenty of tall mids than come and go its not the defining factor in my eyes ...but I do agree ...once a player get below a certain number it can be detrimental. If Clark was 177 would we still be as hot for him? Not sure.

 

[Turbocat]

Lewis Hayes #6 in that Mock Draft?
I rate him highly. Would swoop on him if available at our pick.

Great points.
With that in mind, your #4- Lewis Hayes
Eastern Ranges backman Lewis Hayes is one of the leading key-position defenders, firming as a stellar intercept option for his side's rearguard while also being a serviceable user of the ball coming out of defence.

The younger brother of Port Adelaide ruckman Sam, Hayes is set to join his sibling in the top flight as he ranks as a likely first-round draft selection.

Arguably the best intercepting option in the draft, Hayes is sure to be in the sighs of several clubs looking to bolster their backline when they first enter the draft.

Adding to his prolific aerial abilities, Hayes is an astute mover of the Sherrin, with his disposal efficiency set at 91 per cent for Vic Metro in the National Championships this year.


Hayes managed 20.7 disposals and 5.3 marks per game for the Ranges in the NAB League, proving to be a ball-winner despite his post as a key defender.

Standing one centimetre short of the two-metre mark, Hayes immediately has the height to match it with the new age of tall forwards, but his frame will falter against ready-made spearheads.

Definitely a KPP for the future, allowing JHenry to play as a big bodied mid.

It will be interesting to see how early he goes. In another year with more tall talent. id think he would be a player taken R2 and later. I think I saw more in Sam Dek in his junior games at state level.

 

[Turbocat]

Just on people expecting Tom Hawkins to retire soon, I certainly hope he doesnt. Toma is playing great football and his impact is at least as high as at any time in his career. I'm hoping we get at least 3 more years from him and he continues to we perhaps the finest example of a team first full forward in the games history. (He even does that when he negotiates his pay deal.) So he can keep going around just as long as he wants to.

We are already into the reserve tank. His size and reliability... one more year would be a gift. Bar his kicking he would have almost been Normie this year Iirroni ..same as 2011) ... if and when he does drop away .... I suspect he will know when its time. If he says he wants to play ..he must feel he is good to go.

Still at his age...we need to be thinking about who replaces him. probably harder than replacing Joel as a player

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

I may have missed the discussion on here but what is the upside in us publicly declaring that we will take Clohesy and Riccardi if they slip to the rookie draft?

 

[Kitcat]

We can flood our list with youth..we probably average 4 to 5 kids a year to our list... but few are obviously 'wins' If we go thru our list atm and put a number of game next to them ... my guess is half the kids probably are churned out without much in the way or outcome... like Evan or Stephens or worse Williams

Yes. And it does show that drafting is a bit hit or miss once you get past the obviously natural footballers.
I have been a strong defender of Zuthrie but only because I thought he was a team man, a good backup for when we had injuries and a good bloke. I never thought he could play to the level he reached this season. A hit but it took time.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I'm assuming Jhye Clark has been at the elite level of his age group for the last few years and hasn't just popped off this year?

 

[MacStradbroke]

I'm assuming Jhye Clark has been at the elite level of his age group for the last few years and hasn't just popped off this year?

He came into the Falcons team in the back half of his underage year when the overage lads couldn’t play due to Covid restrictions (I think), and completely dominated, hence the reason he’s been predicted to go single figures from a long way out.

 

[catstragic]

And yet if it weren’t for his back issues, he would have been a lot better.

He was phenomenal in 2012.

Amazing career for someone who couldn't jump for a decade.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

He's 194cm. I feel like 90-92 kgs will be skinny for an inside mid role. Regardless of final weight or position, he either needs time to put on kgs to get back to the role he played as a junior or he needs time to learn the wing role they're playing him in now.

If you're dropping him after 2 years then you didn't draft him with realistic expectations

Depends on what the club want him to be.

If we want a Cripps/Fyfe contested beast then he's going to need the extra weight, but if we seem him more in the Bontempelli mold he could carry a leaner physique and rely more on his skills and ability to cover the ground.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

No s**t, but people are acting like we dont need to prepare for the future when our
4 best mids for the season are all over 30 and one of them just retired, we dont win that flag without Danger,Selwood,Guthrie and Blicavs we are going to have to replace that level of talent very soon, can never have too many mids on a list.

Have you been in the this thread? Almost everybody in here wants a variety of Phillipou, Clark, Humphrey, Mackenzie, etc to keep replenishing the midfield.

We've brought in two former first round picks as midfielders, and are every chance to take another one with our highest pick at the draft since WWII.

What more do you want?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I may have missed the discussion on here but what is the upside in us publicly declaring that we will take Clohesy and Riccardi if they slip to the rookie draft?

I think we needed to declare that we were nominating them and vice versa, while also not being worried about Clohesy being taken inside 40.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Long-term midfield size and versatility is something I have mentioned a bit.

It's very handy having some mids that can not only push forward and mark/goal... but also take a pack mark around the ground.

Danger/Blitz often float across the front of a pack and take a mark from a long kick out (it almost looks like a set play sometimes).

This is something that a Humprey/Phillipou can do by the looks of it.

Clark, Bruhn, Atkins, Parf, and Willis seem to be shorter/smaller bull-type inside midfielders that are not going to offer much marking power around the ground or forward goal-kicking versatility.

I just worry about size in the long term when our bigger-bodied mids hang up the boots (even Guthrie/Duncan are bigger than the guys mentioned above).

I won't be shattered if we land Clark though (and I do think we will land him).

P.S Knevitt was drafted as that taller marking mid... Fingers crossed he can step up in the next couple of years when he will be needed.

 

[David the Cat]

I've reached out but it seems like the damage has been done and another good poster has been lost to our Board.

Downright shame.

Thank you for reaching out. Life hasn't been kind to him of late...we can only hope when things settle, that he pays us a visit.

A shame indeed.

 

[iameviljez]

I may have missed the discussion on here but what is the upside in us publicly declaring that we will take Clohesy and Riccardi if they slip to the rookie draft?

It lets the kids stop having to tap up state league teams and also lets them tell their family and mates they are playing AFL next year.

 

[iameviljez]

Depends on what the club want him to be.

If we want a Cripps/Fyfe contested beast then he's going to need the extra weight, but if we seem him more in the Bontempelli mold he could carry a leaner physique and rely more on his skills and ability to cover the ground.

Clayton Oliver is the best in the business and is no tank.

 

[Lana]

Clayton Oliver is the best in the business and is no tank.

His wrestler billing is 189cm 87 kgs

 

[FredLeDeux]

Clayton Oliver is the best in the business and is no tank.

Wish I'd said that

 

[And_ROOS]

Agree about the no need to worry, but--Danger, Selwood, Atkins, Guthrie, Smith, Duncan, Blicavs, Stanley, Parfitt...our MF was great on paper and in reality

Agreed, even with aging legs that midfield had guys who had won flags, won Brownlows, played in high pressure season matches and won, and played in finals and won and lost. That was a midfield that was very experienced, had the right blend of ages, and had the right blend of players. Holmes should also be in that list despite missing the GF and O'Connor was in and out of that group as well. Hell at times you could even include when Rohan, Cameron, Miers and Close drifted up to the midfield and wings.

Its no wonder we ran teams down our MF depth was absolutely ****ing absurd and while losing Joel will hurt, I wonder if next year we add to that above list with Bowes who was a mid before GC put him in defense, Bruhn who is a mid, Menegola will be back as depth, and whoever we draft at #7 because those initial picks appear to be for Mids.

Wonder how many teams will copy our midfield rotations and I wonder which teams even can.

 

[Sky]

Agreed, even with aging legs that midfield had guys who had won flags, won Brownlows, played in high pressure season matches and won, and played in finals and won and lost. That was a midfield that was very experienced, had the right blend of ages, and had the right blend of players. Holmes should also be in that list despite missing the GF and O'Connor was in and out of that group as well. Hell at times you could even include when Rohan, Cameron, Miers and Close drifted up to the midfield and wings.

Its no wonder we ran teams down our MF depth was absolutely ******* absurd and while losing Joel will hurt, I wonder if next year we add to that above list with Bowes who was a mid before GC put him in defense, Bruhn who is a mid, Menegola will be back as depth, and whoever we draft at #7 because those initial picks appear to be for Mids.

Wonder how many teams will copy our midfield rotations and I wonder which teams even can.

It seems this Bowes bloke is a natural leader. Now given Joel is irreplaceable so it’s unfair to compare but maybe that’s part of why we wanted Bowes in the first place? The captain after the next captain.