Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[catscratchfever]

Maybe this question has already been asked or is out-of-place given our circumstances/salary cap, BUT:

Why didn’t Geelong make a play for Grundy after the 2023 season?

 

[Strange Cat]

Maybe this question has already been asked or is out-of-place given our circumstances/salary cap, BUT:

Why didn’t Geelong make a play for Grundy after the 2023 season?

He didn’t want to come here and he was too expensive when we have Conway in the wings

Pretty easy to grasp I would had thought

 

[catscratchfever]

He didn’t want to come here and he was too expensive when we have Conway in the wings

Pretty easy to grasp I would had thought

I didn’t follow the pre-season trade news closely. Too expensive? For an excellent ruck who could give us one of the things we need right now?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

25 years old.
198cm point of difference.
Wins contested ball and clearances.
Tackles hard.
Is Irish and athletic for size.
Is a Free Agent.
Potential Blitz replacement.

I wouldnt call nash that bc hes never been good as a 2nd ruck only a mid. That said id take him.
But the hawks have cap to burn and can overpay to keep him so i dont see it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I didn’t follow the pre-season trade news closely. Too expensive? For an excellent ruck who could give us one of the things we need right now?

We could afford grundy and we chased him both when he moved to melb and sydney but he and/or his mrs didnt want to live in geelong. They are hipsters and both wanted to live in big cities.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

... whats your opinion we would have to cough up for Smith?

Pick in the 10-15 range id say.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Bradtke has had a couple of years development at Richmond plus a couple of years in our VFL side.

He was only at richmond for 12 months and this is bradtkes first year with us.

I think foster has some skills but he cant survive on about 4 touches a game.

If he doesnt lift i think hes gone.

 

[cats_09]

We could afford grundy and we chased him both when he moved to melb and sydney but he and/or his mrs didnt want to live in geelong. They are hipsters and both wanted to live in big cities.

Coffee culture first

Football team second

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Next question... Who retires and gets delisted in your opinion. Then who do you think the club will delist and retire players

Hawkins Stanley and Tuohy will all willingly retire.
Bews and rohan will be forced to retire.
Danger will stay on next year and duncan is 50/50.
Parfitt i assume will exercise his FA rights and go.
So thats 6 changes (if duncan stays)

If i had to guess id say willis and jeka get 1 more year and hardie murdoch and foster all get delisted.
Clohesy is a certain keep and furphy we probably hang onto unless a better cat b comes up.
Thats probably enough changes unless we bring in a few FAs.

The interesting one is mannagh-if we dont play him in the run home id be asking for a trade to another vic club if i was him (unless we essentially guarantee him a b22 spot next year as he doesnt have time to wait)
Carlton and essendon would be the sort of clubs likely keen on a player like him.

 

[Footy Smarts]

He was only at richmond for 12 months and this is bradtkes first year with us.

I think foster has some skills but he cant survive on about 4 touches a game.

If he doesnt lift i think hes gone.

I reckon the skills get him 12 more months on the list. He's a bizarre mix of being utterly anonymous but then the rare times he gets near it he shows real class.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Coffee culture first

Football team second

Essentially yes. Its why he turned down adelaide and port the first time and went to melb-was non footy reasons re living arrangements.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I reckon the skills get him 12 more months on the list. He's a bizarre mix of being utterly anonymous but then the rare times he gets near it he shows real class.

I agree that at times he shows class but you cant survive on his level of performance.
If he gets 1 year its literally because we are struggling to get any decent FA in to fill the spot.
On performance he would go.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I didn’t follow the pre-season trade news closely. Too expensive? For an excellent ruck who could give us one of the things we need right now?

Word is we talked to him and he wasn't interested.

 

[Footy Smarts]

From what I've heard the Grundy talks never got anywhere. He wasn't interested and even if he was I'm not sure we were undecided given the hit to the salary cap.

Goldstein is the one we've gone hard for multiple times but unfortunately he never wanted to move out of Melbourne. Which is a pity because the timeline to transition from Goldstein to Conway would be perfect.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

From what I've heard the Grundy talks never got anywhere. He wasn't interested and even if he was I'm not sure we were undecided given the hit to the salary cap.

Goldstein is the one we've gone hard for multiple times but unfortunately he never wanted to move out of Melbourne. Which is a pity because the timeline to transition from Goldstein to Conway would be perfect.

Goldstein was different to grundy in that he was somewhat keen but the ex wasnt really re access with kids and i dont think the driving up and back was that viable. Thats why he was happy to move just up the road when his old coach got the ess job.

 

[CHAWKTS]

More chance of getting LeBron out of the Lakers

I would offer for Bronny to secure lebron. Will adapt to footy and suits our age demographic

 

[bombersboy]

I agree that at times he shows class but you cant survive on his level of performance.
If he gets 1 year its literally because we are struggling to get any decent FA in to fill the spot.
On performance he would go.

From memory he got drafted off having a good U18 championship series playing in the ruck. Must have a better tank than he has shown so far?

 

[foxdog50]

Hawkins Stanley and Tuohy will all willingly retire.
Bews and rohan will be forced to retire.
Danger will stay on next year and duncan is 50/50.
Parfitt i assume will exercise his FA rights and go.
So thats 6 changes (if duncan stays)

If i had to guess id say willis and jeka get 1 more year and hardie murdoch and foster all get delisted.
Clohesy is a certain keep and furphy we probably hang onto unless a better cat b comes up.
Thats probably enough changes unless we bring in a few FAs.

The interesting one is mannagh-if we dont play him in the run home id be asking for a trade to another vic club if i was him (unless we essentially guarantee him a b22 spot next year as he doesnt have time to wait)
Carlton and essendon would be the sort of clubs likely keen on a player like him.

The 100% players that will hang up there boots are
Hawkins, Tuhoy, Stanley
The next lot, I'd say 1 of the 2 will retire.
Duncan and Rohan... id personally keep Duncan, and only maybe play 10 or so games this year, basically like Tuhoy ( but I think he easily does better then Tuhoy.
So there is 4.

1 player I forget still is Bews. I don't mind him, but if his not playing games by now, it's sad to see he will be gone... there is 5.. And as much as he should be getting games now in Hardie, he goes the same with Bews, so there is 6!

You think Parfitt will explore othere opportunities else where ( which I can't blame the guy ) , now there is 7

I'm not sure on Foster as well. But you wouldn't think we can turnover to many more players, as who knows, how many players we will bring in trade period
And how many are worth drafting in with our picks.

It feels like end of season trade and draft get bigger every year. But 1 thing is for sure. This year is one of the biggest times and will see where the club thinks they are at for years to come

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I agree that we'll see possibly 4+ retirements at the end of this season, so I'm wondering where the Cats can get a boost from.

Will Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

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be persuaded to leave Melb at the end of the season? He might just recapture his best in a new environment.

Maybe a couple of Bulldogs players could be pried loose, too. Bailey Smith

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is touted as going to the Pies, but it's only over once the contracts are signed. Bailey Dale

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is another player who may be gettable from the Dogs.

And then we have Norf. Luke Davies-Uniake is a good player and might be persuaded to leave Norf.

Apparently, the Cats have been after Elliot Yoe from the Eagles.

I hope the Cats go hard in this year's trade period and get us a couple of good midfielders.

 

[allrighty]

He was only at richmond for 12 months and this is bradtkes first year with us.

I think foster has some skills but he cant survive on about 4 touches a game.

If he doesnt lift i think hes gone.

Yep when he gets the pill Foster has the goods, just doesn't get it enough

 

[FootyLad0]

I can't see Tomahawk going on, he got the record and there's not much else for him to do.
2E looks to be winding down, Stanley is on his last legs and only came back because the club asked him to while we got Conway ready for AFL level footy. Rohan can barely make the side, Bews lives in the VFL.

That's 5 blokes right there i can see walking at seasons end.

Danger and Duncan probably have a year or two left in them so they stay, i can see Duncan next year being 2E this year.
In and out of the side.

Parfitt will most likely go and explore options with another club so there's 6.
I think the real question isn't who is going...it's who we replace them with?

I mean Mannagh, Knevitt, COS and Clohesy have all had a taste. Lawson Humphries should be getting games IMMEDIATELY.
He's the exact sort of defensive small we've been missing without Bews in the side. Scotty and co love to go tall but the game is moving away from that to have only a few talls with lots of hybrids and smalls that bring PACE.
Sydney beat us with PACE to break lines.

Also seems like not much bridging the gap in experience...we'll have a glut of kids and a glut of older blokes. No real in between.

It's a real vacuum, i can see us having a very low amount of wins in 2025 and that's fine, we for the first time in about 20 years will have to rely mainly on kids getting us wins. That's where our rebuild comes in. I can see Scotty and Danger finishing up together end of 2026. Hands the keys over to James Kelly

James Kelly

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and co

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I can't see Tomahawk going on, he got the record and there's not much else for him to do.
2E looks to be winding down, Stanley is on his last legs and only came back because the club asked him to while we got Conway ready for AFL level footy. Rohan can barely make the side, Bews lives in the VFL.

That's 5 blokes right there i can see walking at seasons end.

Danger and Duncan probably have a year or two left in them so they stay, i can see Duncan next year being 2E this year.
In and out of the side.

Parfitt will most likely go and explore options with another club so there's 6.
I think the real question isn't who is going...it's who we replace them with?

I mean Mannagh, Knevitt, COS and Clohesy have all had a taste. Lawson Humphries should be getting games IMMEDIATELY.
He's the exact sort of defensive small we've been missing without Bews in the side. Scotty and co love to go tall but the game is moving away from that to have only a few talls with lots of hybrids and smalls that bring PACE.
Sydney beat us with PACE to break lines.

Also seems like not much bridging the gap in experience...we'll have a glut of kids and a glut of older blokes. No real in between.

It's a real vacuum, i can see us having a very low amount of wins in 2025 and that's fine, we for the first time in about 20 years will have to rely mainly on kids getting us wins. That's where our rebuild comes in. I can see Scotty and Danger finishing up together end of 2026. Hands the keys over to James Kelly and co

I don't know if Duncan has anything left in the tank. If you add him I have 7 players with games experience on my list of outs

Hawkins
Duncan
Tuohy
Bews
Parfitt
Rohan
Stanley

We'd be losing 1,619 games experience (and counting).

For context when North dumped their senior players end of 2016 they only lost 1,345 games.

Some detail:

To add numbers here too. My 7 players on the "I'll miss you" list have a combined 1,619 games experience.

The total games experience on the list coming into the year was something around 3,890. At the end if the year that tally is going to be 4,396. My 7 names probably play a combined 35 gamesish to see out the year so say we are dropping 1,674. If we're only adding draftees it'll be around a 38-40% reduction in games tally end of year.

We came in as the most experienced team at 88.6 games per player. If we draft to replace and fill the same number of spots we end up with 2,722 games of experience over 44 players for about 61 average games. This year that number would be the same as the Crows, 4th to last. Only Hawthorn, Freo, and North would be less experienced going into '24 as we go into '25 on that basis.

For context, North Melbourne in 2016 had more average games than we do this year. They delisted 1,345 games of experience, so ~300 less than my list. They ended up with a list experience total of 55.8, which was a drop from by far the oldest to the 7th youngest. Harvey did some heavy lifting in those numbers, but their numbers were lower. They won 6 games for the year.

Now I'm not saying we'll be North. But we do need some serious trade ins.

PS: we'd go from 11 listed players currently over 30 to 5 players over 30 by start of 2025

 

[Sticksman]

If the numbers of players leaving are as predicted (i.e. many) then I think the coach might also have an understanding with Hocking and he will leave at year end as well. If we are looking for a coach for 2025 that person will already be at the club. My bet is Stephen King.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If the numbers of players leaving are as predicted (i.e. many) then I think the coach might also have an understanding with Hocking and he will leave at year end as well. If we are looking for a coach for 2025 that person will already be at the club. My bet is Stephen King.

I think that would be a mistake. If we're losing half our current total games experience in the next two trade periods then you don't want to add instability off field.

 

[sexyhunk]

I think that would be a mistake. If we're losing half our current total games experience in the next two trade periods then you don't want to add instability off field.

It may not be up to the club if Chris Scott decide to pull the pin as most his guys retire. He been here 15 years, he may want to break or a new start somewhere.