Review Good/Bad/Ugly vs Hawthorn, R6 2023

[Carmo]

Pretty good effort based if not very classy win today.

Think we had the flu going thru the team. The SANFL had players out (and wright in with sickness). Magically Worrell got "soreness" two days after we named him. SANFL team played like crap, especially fumbly. Then we kept Himmelberg and Hately back as well. Then the AFL team fumbled like hell too. Its either sickness or we had a brutal training session (playing under duress simulation).

Thought the umpiring slightly favoured the Hawks, still thats fair, slight favour to the home team is acceptable. There was about 20 holding the balls that were so close / shouldve been called for us.

A good result considering our terrible record at the ground. Considering our terrible record against this club at that ground and in general. Mitchell's tricky coaching would've matched up well against us too.

Dunno why we didn't change a few things up. We did the least amount of switching we've done all year. At times we could've manned up their extras in the forward line seeing as our extra at the contest didn't help much and just resulted in us running into each other more often than not.

I think it was two very young teams wanting bragging rights who is the best and we came away with the points despite an awesome effort from them.

 

[TheRankineFile]

Not playing well every week does not mean you are expecting it to be easy. Our mindset was so stuffed we led at every break and came back when we all thought the game was done. Incredible

Shades of Panos ... Panos!!

 

[Mattrox]

On the hawks board they're saying Rankine was out of bounds on his last goal, was he?

Not according to the Umps and that is all that matters.


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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Intercept possessions
Frost 10
Sicily 9
Jiath 7

Complete system breakdown from us. Everything we'd improved on recently went out the window.

Structure around the ball gone
Winning it at the coal face then distributing it by hand rather than a dump kick gone

Living the eyes gone
45 kicks gone
Overlap run followed by good ball use gone

We played the same football we've played from 2020-2022, luckily against a really poor side

AND we've got some class acts up forward now who can bail us out

To borrow a Don Pykeism, hopefully this was an event and not a trend

Because that was bottom four football

 

[StonesThrow]

Didn't think Soligo was that good either. Not having much influence this year. I really rate him so I think he'll be fine.

Rachele a bit similar. Two very classy players not using the footy very well.

 

[Carmo]

We get another long break while Collingwood is coming off a 5 day break. Might be a helpful thing if we do have the flu going through the club.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Good

-Fog
-Tex
-Soligo
-Couple of others at times
-Nicksy’s face at the end of the game.. good because he had a look of “gee, we’re not as good as I thought” on it.

Bad

Everyone else

Umpiring - a lottery would be easier to read and predict.

 

[Redleg Crow]

Anyone who watched the Hawks-GWS game last week should have known this was no gimme win and would be tough and ugly all day.

 

[ABAB]

We are equal top as it currently stands...

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Apologies, I should have said top 4 "real deal" contenders.

 

[TheRankineFile]

Anyone who watched the Hawks-GWS game last week should have known this was no gimme win and would be tough and ugly all day.

What I said after watching Hawks last week. They are dangerous going forward and rebound well. One bloke stopped them winning last week.

 

[dogs105]

We get another long break while Collingwood is coming off a 5 day break. Might be a helpful thing if we do have the flu going through the club.

3000 positive COVID tests in SA last week, with almost no-one testing anymore.

 

[Owen_AFC97]

A lot of the players seemed to be baking in the sun at Liv Golf on Friday. I understand these players have their own lives when they have time off but I can’t imagine how it would’ve been ideal for their preparation.

 

[TheRankineFile]

Apologies, I should have said top 4 "real deal" contenders.

Still not sure what "Real Deal" means? Top 8? 6? 4?

 

[Redleg Crow]

Also FMD those guernseys - I saw a number of times players handball to someone they thought were teammates.

Tbh as well, **** day games. Shitty sun in your eyes. In the bin

 

[TheRankineFile]

3000 positive COVID tests in SA last week, with almost no-one testing anymore.

What is this covid?

 

[Golumless]

Well, that's a win that makes me want to revisit my mid-table prediction, because that makes me think we're the real deal at being a finals side this year. We were off early at a ground that brings out the worst of us, Hawks played superbly to the point they broke down our game plan with manic pressure (something we should expect to occur in finals when the heat is at its hottest), and got out to a two goal lead with 10 minutes to go. Yet, despite all of that, we were able to will our way back to allow high-end talent to bail us out of a loss.

Great:

Wasn't Fogs day in the first half, but regardless he found a way to get into the game, and that set shot on the boundary was a thing of beauty to win it.

Sloane turned the clock back in the last quarter. That was 2016-2017 level and was pivotal in getting us over the line.

Good:

I do wonder if the most pivotal thing that happened in Tex's career is us recruiting James Rahilly

James Rahilly

Age

45

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.4

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

3.6

3star

M

0.6

1star

T

1.0

3star

and his necromancer ways. That was a huge game from the ex-skipper, especially in one where we were just struggling.

Laird did Laird things.

Rankine made some huge plays, and that goal at the end (alongside Fog) was magical.

I had a lot of time for Sholls game. Got involved with some nice plays on the wings, did damage with the ball and didn't become a liability due to the physicality in the game. A mature performance.

Soligo played well. Kicking wasn't as sharp as usual, including an uncharacteristic miss from a set shot, however I thought he bounced back well in the clinches. 25 disposals and 8 clearances is the kind of performance I'm happy to see at this point. Still, I don't think he'll be looking forward to the review on Monday, seeing that long kick with a minute to-go was dumb.

Rachele really influenced early and had a good game. It does seem like his kicking needs to be cleaned up a tad as it's been a bit hit and miss the last couple of weeks. His recovery to lead to Fogs goal was class.

I had a lot of time for Murray and Hinge games. Both were walls in defense, and weren't afraid to try to make things happen when they needed too.

Pedlar had a really good 2nd quarter, but faded.

Our tackling pressure. Hawks came at us and we matched it instead of wilting.

We've left with four points from Tasmania and first 4-win streak since 2019.

Meh:

Jones. Did well when he got the ball, and pressured/tackled well. However, with Soligo and Sholl accumulating, it was his turn to have a quiet game.

Thilthorpe did some nice things, but really does seem to struggle to influence the game as a third tall.

Dawson had a bit of a come back to earth game. Just wasn't clean at all, which is rather unusual.

Bad:

O'Brien had a mare in the first three quarters. He was playing to the Hawks playbook.

Those missed shots in the 2nd quarter by Rachele, Soligo and the like. That was the moment to K.O. Hawthorn and turn this into an comfortable win against a side trying their hearts out.


All in all, it's probably an important win on the rebuild front, but it also feels like a game we should never really talk about again.

 

[StonesThrow]

Intercept possessions
Frost 10
Sicily 9
Jiath 7

Complete system breakdown from us. Everything we'd improved on recently went out the window.

Structure around the ball gone
Winning it at the coal face then distributing it by hand rather than a dump kick gone

Living the eyes gone
45 kicks gone
Overlap run followed by good ball use gone

We played the same football we've played from 2020-2022, luckily against a really poor side

AND we've got some class acts up forward now who can bail us out

To borrow a Don Pykeism, hopefully this was an event and not a trend

Because that was bottom four football

I agree with most of this except that Hawks played well above their norm. We were down but we're still not a top 8 side so it's not surprising we didn't put them away. We played like a top half bottom 8 side imo

 

[Tex Danger]

Interesting point had we not kicked the final goal it would have been an honourable loss instead we get a dishonourable win...

It would not have been an homourable loss.

It would have been a bad loss

Instead it’s a got away with one win

 

[Mutineer]

Intercept possessions
Frost 10
Sicily 9
Jiath 7

Complete system breakdown from us. Everything we'd improved on recently went out the window.

Structure around the ball gone
Winning it at the coal face then distributing it by hand rather than a dump kick gone

Living the eyes gone
45 kicks gone
Overlap run followed by good ball use gone

We played the same football we've played from 2020-2022, luckily against a really poor side

AND we've got some class acts up forward now who can bail us out

To borrow a Don Pykeism, hopefully this was an event and not a trend

Because that was bottom four football

And 3 of Frost's were where he clearly outmarked our Key Forwards.

 

[ABAB]

Still not sure what "Real Deal" means? Top 8? 6? 4?

Like the saying genuine contenders, I think we are genuine top 8 contenders but definitely not top 4 or 6.

 

[Crow till I die]

Found a way to win in a high pressure game

Hawthorn came in with a plan to not allow us time and space, bring high tackle pressure and to execute when they had ball in hand, run it and handball through our press..it nearly worked

The good is we came through with the win but the look on nicks' face after the siren looked like he was not a happy camper so hopefully will tteat this like a loss during the week so we learn from it, not ride euphoria from scraping an ugly win against a side most tipped for the spoon.

The bad..so many times today we gpt caught with the ball in hand rather than trying to play meterage by kicking it. Giving bad handballs to players under pressure and turning the ball over...better sides will put us away if we do that stuff

Ugly..the game itself

 

[TheRankineFile]

It would not have been an homourable loss.

It would have been a bad loss

Instead it’s a got away with one win

True, but fact is they found a way to win. Remember Geel winning all those close games? It gives confidence and belief.

 

[Mattrox]

The ugly is all this has done is reduced our draft pick. We're not competing in finals this year.

We have won 4.... we double up agains Suns Eagles.... somewhere in there we pick anothet up 4 wins..... thats finals...


Our pass mark is no longer bradburying into finals... If we miss finals, we are playing well below our best.

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[Scorpus]

Not playing well every week does not mean you are expecting it to be easy. Our mindset was so stuffed we led at every break and came back when we all thought the game was done. Incredible

We led at every break because they couldn't help but hand the ball back to us

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Intercept possessions
Frost 10
Sicily 9
Jiath 7

Complete system breakdown from us. Everything we'd improved on recently went out the window.

Structure around the ball gone
Winning it at the coal face then distributing it by hand rather than a dump kick gone

Living the eyes gone
45 kicks gone
Overlap run followed by good ball use gone

We played the same football we've played from 2020-2022, luckily against a really poor side

AND we've got some class acts up forward now who can bail us out

To borrow a Don Pykeism, hopefully this was an event and not a trend

Because that was bottom four football

The intercept was the worst part of today, followed by dropping marks that should be held. Both were really costly.

What do you make of Hawthorns pressure? 88 tackles for a match was a record for the year of any side. We actually had quite a lot ourselves though inside 50 tackles was a noticeable disparity from recent weeks because we kept jamming the ball down their throats at every opportunity.

They clearly hunted us today so its good that we found a way but also bad that we allowed it to happen with so many fumbles, dropped marks inviting that extra pressure.

Take the win but our next trip away from AO looms as a very interesting & perhaps scary prospect.