Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Firstly, the "No Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

41

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

" Rule is back

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I wonder if they realise he can go to psd and get to west coast? North won’t take him.

But then Freo can just offer two firsts that won’t be as good but Melbourne would still take at the death rather than have him walk for free. Of course they’ll sabre-rattle to begin with. I think they’ll get two first rounders out of it whichever team he ends up at.

 

[Brishawk]

But then Freo can just offer two firsts that won’t be as good but Melbourne would still take at the death rather than have him walk for free. Of course they’ll sabre-rattle to begin with. I think they’ll get two first rounders out of it whichever team he ends up at.

Yeah quite likely. I personally don’t think any ruckman is worth that. Maybe gawn good f a bit younger. That is the price you pay for a kpf, and they are much more valuable than a second ruckman who plays forward ok.

 

[triple treat]

He’s a free agent who would only be traded for because Brisbane don’t want to compromise the McStay compo pick they need. It’s not a matter of what I want - teams won’t s**t on each other in this scenario so we’d get a token late pick as a result. Apologies if being realistic doesn’t indulge your ‘omg let’s play hardball!!’ tendencies.

Hahaha OK mate is it OK if we ask Brissy to supply the lube?

 

[TylerDurden]

Logue is in the discussion for a potential replacement for DGB. Not as a forward. Could end up in a scenario where he can only get to us. He is open to any move so it's not like he is making us 2nd or 3rd choice.

Are you saying you've heard DGB is leaving?

 

[dermott]

Is Kosi on the table?

He is “hypothetically”.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I can’t imagine Kosi would be on the untouchables list.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The Dees are after Grundy and the Pies have an interest in Tom Mitchell, are we able to get involved here to get pick 2 and give up pick 6 as the framework?

Then shuffle picks to balance things out so it is acceptable to all parties.


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You’d have to offer a shitload more than 6 and Tom Mitchell to somehow get Pick 2 coming back to us, because you’ve got to give two clubs reason to feel that 2 can’t land with them.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hahaha OK mate is it OK if we ask Brissy to supply the lube?

We may have to.

Can’t see us getting anything other than a 3rd or 4th round pick if they have to trade.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

But the North fans said he wanted to play with Clarko…

They’re very invested in Logue too. Would be funny if he also nominated another club.

 

[Bugs1977]

We may have to.

Can’t see us getting anything other than a 3rd or 4th round pick if they have to trade.

4th = barbed wire
3rd = lube

 

[Ned Ryerson]

We may have to.

Can’t see us getting anything other than a 3rd or 4th round pick if they have to trade.

I know I’m apparently out of line for even discussing this topic - but it’s weird to me that people don’t see the Lions holding most of the cards and having a Gunston acquisition as a low priority in a scenario where they are bringing in Dunkley as well as two well regarded F/S picks. Dunkley and Ashcroft will be far more important ins for the Lions than Gunston - even with them losing McStay. They are tall enough as it is - Gunston would be cream on top only. Dunkley and Ashcroft will be crucial for their midfield post-Neale. If we went in demanding a second rounder they’d just cut their losses and tell us to, rightfully, **** off. Also he can walk to any other side pretty much for free and we get absolutely nothing. If the Lions give us a late pick we’ll be better off than any other scenario where he leaves so you cut your losses and move on.

 

[BurnaHawks]

SO If Gunston and Brissie decide not to go down the FA path and take the trade path, should a trade not be beneficial for both clubs?

What do you think would be a fair "TRADE" price for Gunston, considering the buyer apparently offer 3 years at good money?

Future First and send back a third round pick this year. (Help them with points)

 

[TDS7]

But the North fans said he wanted to play with Clarko…

They’re very invested in Logue too. Would be funny if he also nominated another club.

To be fair, Clarko once said the only reason he kept coaching in 2008 was Stewy Dew. We can't expect anyone to keep up with his sheer gravitational pull.

 

[TylerDurden]

Ben Long

22

Ben Long

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

166.8

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

129.0

2star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.2

5star

MG

223.0

4star

was taken with one of the picks in the JOM trade.
So was Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

and there's talk of a trade there.
As was Brodie. Traded.
Duursma part of the Chad trade. Talk of leaving.

It's all coming full circle.

 

[triple treat]

I know I’m apparently out of line for even discussing this topic - but it’s weird to me that people don’t see the Lions holding most of the cards and having a Gunston acquisition as a low priority in a scenario where they are bringing in Dunkley as well as two well regarded F/S picks. Dunkley and Ashcroft will be far more important ins for the Lions than Gunston - even with them losing McStay. They are tall enough as it is - Gunston would be cream on top only. Dunkley and Ashcroft will be crucial for their midfield post-Neale. If we went in demanding a second rounder they’d just cut their losses and tell us to, rightfully, * off. Also he can walk to any other side pretty much for free and we get absolutely nothing. If the Lions give us a late pick we’ll be better off than any other scenario where he leaves so you cut your losses and move on.

I don’t think offering a 3 year contract on good coin to someone would be considered low priority. I’m not saying that we should hold a gun to there head and say give us your 1st rounder, I’m just saying that if the FA option is not taken and they want to trade then it should be beneficial to both clubs.

If they get say pick 20 for McStay as compo would we be “being dickheads” about it to ask for that pick 20 for 24 and Gunston going back to them?

Beneficial to both clubs I would of thought!

 

[Big Hotdog]

I don’t think offering a 3 year contract on good coin to someone would be considered low priority. I’m not saying that we should hold a gun to there head and say give us your 1st rounder, I’m just saying that if the FA option is not taken and they want to trade then it should be beneficial to both clubs.

If they get say pick 20 for McStay as compo would we be “being dickheads” about it to ask for that pick 20 for 24 and Gunston going back to them?

Beneficial to both clubs I would of thought!

Cant hurt to ask.

 

[hawkmang]

Ben Long was taken with one of the picks in the JOM trade.
So was Hunter Clark and there's talk of a trade there.
As was Brodie. Traded.
Duursma part of the Chad trade. Talk of leaving.

It's all coming full circle.

I’ve done the sums, the ancient Mayans predicted this would happen.

Two first round picks for Jack Gunston confirmed

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I don’t think offering a 3 year contract on good coin to someone would be considered low priority. I’m not saying that we should hold a gun to there head and say give us your 1st rounder, I’m just saying that if the FA option is not taken and they want to trade then it should be beneficial to both clubs.

If they get say pick 20 for McStay as compo would we be “being dickheads” about it to ask for that pick 20 for 24 and Gunston going back to them?

Beneficial to both clubs I would of thought!

That’s a 127 point slide so effectively worth pick 62 which is what I’m saying we would roughly get in any trade.

 

[burner1]

So 244 pages into it - so who are we actually targeting to trade in (outside bruhn which we may have missed) and trade out (outside Mitchell and the repetitive pick 2 posts)?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Why? I don't understand why we must give him away. We want him to stay. The team he chose cannot bring in a free agent. So, they trade. Gun player on a 3-year contract on decent money… I want the McStay compensation back on equivalent next year… They have upgraded McStay to Gunston.

Because Brisbane would laugh and walk. If McKenzie gave away a late first/early second for a 31 year old player you’d be calling for his head. That kind of pick is what we paid for Gunston 11 years ago.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[TDS7]

Finally, I can rest easy knowing all debate and drama will be settled by the brilliant analytical mind that is SOS.

 

[KermitJagger]

Finally, I can rest easy knowing all debate and drama will be settled by the brilliant analytical mind that is SOS.

Give him his due, was one of the better commentators on Trade Radio. Not the biggest endorsement in the world but still.

 

[BurnaHawks]

Because Brisbane would laugh and walk. If McKenzie gave away a late first/early second for a 31 year old player you’d be calling for his head. That kind of pick is what we paid for Gunston 11 years ago.

That actually works for us them we keep him!

They are in the window and need to fill the McStay gap.. Unless they have another forward who can step in and 40 goals they need him. (he played 16 games this year and kicked 32 goals)