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If the reason there where next to no trades last year was because one club wouldnt close a deal, then the trade system is in a worse mess than anyone is letting on
Great argument for free agency
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Hawks in secret Burgoyne talks back in June
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If the reason there where next to no trades last year was because one club wouldnt close a deal, then the trade system is in a worse mess than anyone is letting on
Great argument for free agency
Haven't you learnt yet that the media have been out to get the Hawks since Jeff Kennett's media code? Don't believe all you read. Ask yourself this ... if the talks were "secret", how would the media know?
It just makes me laugh that it has been reported that Burgoyne may want to join Melbourne, Essendon or Hawthorn, and straight away the media goes for the Hawks' jugular, and no comment on the the other two clubs.
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- #78
I hope that the way Hawthorn has conducted itself tradewise comes back to bite them when the poor form shown is the catalyst for you missing a decent trade. But like I said, it will be the other clubs blamed, not your past performances that cause this to happen.
Other clubs have shown themselves to be able to deal with each other on a regular basis, I hope this translates to success for them and the players involved.
I have absolutely no problem with how the Hawks have conducted themselves. They are now acting like a big 4! 
what a scandalous disgrace! I call for an immediate investigation by the AFL!!
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- #81
So you would agree its ok for a club to manipulate a situation or situations that disadvantage the competition and may give themselves an advantage down the track at some point?
as an apprentice, don't try and be smart as it doesn't suit you....just look, listen and STFU
absolutely in my opinion. Do what you can to win. Are you playing the good will games or something??
Hawthorn will offer up something for Burgoyne, if port play hard ball .. and it doesnt look like getting completed, the Hawks will look after the Hawks and stifle any rival that is also trying to get Burgoyne. If we can't have him neither will you.
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- #84
I do wholeheartedly apologise oh MR ELITE, I was unaware that having only just joined a month ago, I was not allowed and/or able to have an opinion.as an apprentice, don't try and be smart as it doesn't suit you....just look, listen and STFU
Carry on, you obviously have such a higher standing among the posters here, being elite and all...
Are you suggesting every paper in the country is wrong and that Hawthorn don't want Burgoyne?
If you think Burgoyne will accept anything less than $500k a year you are dreaming.
Short answer; I would be surprised if clubs didn't do this.
From fixture requests, creative player payments, home ground advantages, poaching coaches and admin staff, etc, etc.
It is called doing business.
Personally, I know a lot more now than when I was a teenager, or at University, it's just part and parcel of learning and developing. Sometimes I look at my interns (very bright twenty-somethings) and I think, "Was I ever that naive and..........stupid?"
I guess the world works how you think it does. If you operate a certain way, things happen.
If you are unaware that this is how it operates, you just don't see it.
I'm sure the Hawks are after Burgoyne, I'd just advise caution when listening to the media speculate about what we'd offer. They are speculating. It would not be based on actual sources.
The Hawthorn FC Media Policy annoyed a lot of people in the media when it was released earlier this year (or last year?). It essentially solidified into writing a "don't ask us, we're not interested in talking to you" policy, that was the cornerstone of how Hawthorn operated in the 1980's under Alan Jeans. Don't get me wrong...it hasnt been that way for 25+ years. In fact, the Hawks got very loose with board room leaks and speaking to media at the drop of a hat, especially during the Schwab years.
But as part of the Clarkson overhaul, it's been bought back in. Which is why you're more likely to see negative Hawk articles over positive ones...but which you also have to assume there's a fair bit of guess work within.
Just a word of warning, anyway. Most of us Hawks are divided as to whether it's a good thing. Personally, I love the fact we give the media nothing, but it also meant I never saw an interview of Franklin for about four years!! On the flip side, we get slagged off by editorials, and then linked to every trade under the sun by "hard news" stories...which I believe is pitching towards the future headline "Hawthorn ruins another trade period". The Age and the Hun would be licking their lips. We couldn't even get positive media when we won the flag, because we "stole" it apparently.
I think someone reasonably big is on the market at Hawthorn.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Lance Franklin still unsigned for the end of next season? I would have thought that Hawthorn's main priority and aim would be to re-sign Lance Franklin even if it cost them every cent of the alleged $600k Burgoyne wants. I don't see how paying big money for a guy like Burgoyne (even if there is a bit of room) would make sense if your goal was to prevent Lance Franklin from taking big money at the Gold Coast.
I suspect something is up at Hawthorn and some big fish will be shown the door. I don't consider guys like Mark Williams etc players who other clubs will give over the odds for. To make sure they keep Buddy and are able to get Burgoyne, I don't see how they can't get rid of someone. From memory, isn't Buddy only on 250k a year at the moment? so possibly a 500k pay rise to stay at Hawthorn is some serious cash that will eat up cap space.
They would be awesome if they could pull it off for a first rounder and a young player and keep the list together but thats a fantasy. Something relatively big is going to have to give way.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Lance Franklin still unsigned for the end of next season? I would have thought that Hawthorn's main priority and aim would be to re-sign Lance Franklin even if it cost them every cent of the alleged $600k Burgoyne wants. I don't see how paying big money for a guy like Burgoyne (even if there is a bit of room) would make sense if your goal was to prevent Lance Franklin from taking big money at the Gold Coast.
I suspect something is up at Hawthorn and some big fish will be shown the door. I don't consider guys like Mark Williams etc players who other clubs will give over the odds for. To make sure they keep Buddy and are able to get Burgoyne, I don't see how they can't get rid of someone. From memory, isn't Buddy only on 250k a year at the moment? so possibly a 500k pay rise to stay at Hawthorn is some serious cash that will eat up cap space.
They would be awesome if they could pull it off for a first rounder and a young player and keep the list together but thats a fantasy. Something relatively big is going to have to give way.
I reckon you are spot on....we cannot have it all one-way therefore you would consider that a big fish will be marketed next year....as yet that fish is not confirmed and will probably be weighed up as the season progresses...
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- #92
Funny then as well as the Tigers, your own club made overtures trying to get him across
Just as a matter of interest, what exactly has he done wrong? His brief is to manage Hawthorns list, he has identified the type of player we need to improve, and he has talked to player managers as to who may be available
Wow, your right, how dare he
Because no other club would stoop so low
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- #93
I see no difference with this and tanking.
It is exactly the same, and tanking is very much frowned upon, and clubs who tank should be ashamed, as should their supporters.
If you want to use underhanded tactics and manipulate situations rather than just simply stay out the way and let others who are actually interested in trading do their thing, then you reap the consequences in later trading periods, and this should also be frowned upon, such as tanking. It's all for getting an advantage isn't it? You get what you deserve.
Just my view
It probably is.
Our club has been pushing for trade week to be reduced to one day, so that rather than everyone stalling and twiddling their thumbs for the entire week, there may actually be some urgency about it. Their theory is that more trades would get done if there was less time to do them. Barely any trades are ever made on any day but the last anyway.
Even if it didn't work, we'd still save everyone a few largely pointless days.
52,000 members. Tasmania deal. 2008 Premiership. Players on lower salary's than you think.
That's probably where we find our money.
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- #96
'Every' club does it, but it is only Hawthorn's name that comes up time and time again.
Weird.
Weird.
92.5% in 2008 with heavily frontloaded contracts.
94% this year with heavily frontloaded contracts. (and premiership bonus)
about 700k in space for 2010. (anyone know the cap to work out %?). More if Croad goes to Veteran (~200k owing for 08/9, plus 2010 salary). (Includes somewhere around 800k for Hodge, who drops to ~200k for 2011 and 2012).
Franklin, Roughead, Mitchell all on pre-paid contracts. Hodge our only 'big-$$' player left as he signed new contract this year, next year will join them on ~200k.
Having 23 players on 1st or 2nd contracts helps of course.
94% this year with heavily frontloaded contracts. (and premiership bonus)
about 700k in space for 2010. (anyone know the cap to work out %?). More if Croad goes to Veteran (~200k owing for 08/9, plus 2010 salary). (Includes somewhere around 800k for Hodge, who drops to ~200k for 2011 and 2012).
Franklin, Roughead, Mitchell all on pre-paid contracts. Hodge our only 'big-$$' player left as he signed new contract this year, next year will join them on ~200k.
Having 23 players on 1st or 2nd contracts helps of course.
interesting post
If we get burgoyne, it will be ~400k pa. Could well be 600k in the first year, followed by 2x250k (err...267, whatever), in line with our existing contracts.
Franklin's contract ends at the end of 2011, so it's not GC's year. But your right, his ~400k average (700/250/250) will probably be closer to 600 for 2012.
By that time we won't have the same flexibility in early payments, so we'll have to wait and see what happens between now and then.
Franklin's contract ends at the end of 2011, so it's not GC's year. But your right, his ~400k average (700/250/250) will probably be closer to 600 for 2012.
By that time we won't have the same flexibility in early payments, so we'll have to wait and see what happens between now and then.
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- #100
You seem to pop-up in most Hawthorn threads and I'm left thinking your Hawthorn paranoia is weird.
I guess your gibson for pick 9 assertions are looking slimmer by the day.
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