Opinion Hawthorn - Clarkson - Fagan Racism Investigation

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One of the partners is refusing to be involved in the investigation. So rule a line through her complaint, it’s now meaningless.

Yup, looking more and more baseless as this draws out. She claims 'the framework of the investigation' left her no choice but to walk away whatever that means.
 
I’m not talking about the veracity, rather the fact it wasn’t a one off if multiple people have complained of similar treatment.

Multiple people funnelled through a single outlet (Phil Egan).

Whether that’s a neutral prism or not is one of the things that will be tested

Egan might turn out to be a hero who encouraged people to come forward, or it might turn out he was coaching and directing them.
 

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Interesting what she does now, as she doesn’t have standing to make a civil claim (duty of care owed, duty of care breached?).

Perhaps that’s why she’s not participating, the lack of a way forward?
 

My take is by her lawyer releasing an extended statement on her behalf explaining, in refusing to participate in this unsafe process (the AFL Investigation), Amy is refusing to consent to what appears to be clear silencing tactics by the AFL.
 
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My take is by her lawyer releasing an extended statement on her behalf explaining, in refusing to participate in this unsafe process (the AFL Investigation), Amy is refusing to consent to what appears to be clear silencing tactics by the AFL.
100% the AFL is trying to control the narrative, and the potential fallout.

The simple fact that the AFL has not engaged an external provider to conduct the investigation tells you all you need to know.
 
My take is by her lawyer releasing an extended statement on her behalf explaining, in refusing to participate in this unsafe process (the AFL Investigation), Amy is refusing to consent to what appears to be clear silencing tactics by the AFL.
Huh?

Pretty clear they should have sought legal advice before entering into this Hawthorn revue conducted by Phil Egan and even moreso before talking to the ABC's Russell Jackson. These are serious accusations they have made and they're pretty niave if they thought they wouldn't have to back them up with some pretty convincing evidence.
 
100% the AFL is trying to control the narrative, and the potential fallout.

The simple fact that the AFL has not engaged an external provider to conduct the investigation tells you all you need to know.

Still puzzled why anyone would trust the AFL to run an investigation after their kangaroo court found Essendon not guilty only to have that verdict smashed at ASADA and WADA
 
The simple fact that the AFL has not engaged an external provider to conduct the investigation tells you all you need to know.
This - you need a clear separation the AFL effectively investigating themselves works as well as cops investigating themselves. Investigating yourself doesn't work it needs to be external and completely independent. Have a look at political parties investigating themselves for no better example. Investigating yourself 99.99% of the time turns up nothing to see here. #joke
 

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Call me cynical but the facts are Gordon Legal is the AFL's legal firm. Gordon Legal has possession, access and control of all documents.

Why does the AFL's legal firm have complete control of all and sundry?

For reference he panel can seek advice from anyone but Gordon Legal or any firm already advising the AFL, but Gordon Legal is the fat controller or maybe a better word would be middleman between the panel and outside parties unless the panel directs otherwise.



My question as all I want is clear separation and independence with this.

Why not have a third party legal firm chosen by the panel for example?

Having the AFL's legal firm controlling this and pulling the strings stinks and there is a clear conflict of interest.
 
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Still puzzled why anyone would trust the AFL to run an investigation after their kangaroo court found Essendon not guilty only to have that verdict smashed at ASADA and WADA

Outside of worksafe, nobody but the AFL gives a shit. The AFL can’t act against the coaches unless they’ve completed a proper investigation. So this just dies a natural death if they refuse to be involved in the investigation. Or they have the option of pursuing a civil case or reporting criminal behaviour to the police. Other than that and worksafe, they’ve got nothing.
 
Still puzzled why anyone would trust the AFL to run an investigation after their kangaroo court found Essendon not guilty only to have that verdict smashed at ASADA and WADA
Anyone that trusts the AFL to run this “independent” investigation fairly, correctly and with integrity has rocks in their fxxkn head..

The dipshits at AFL House couldnt run a chook raffle fairly, correctly and with integrity.. they have recent form when it comes to attempting to cover up scandals that occur in the league and they barely run a fair football competition.

I would tell them to fxxk off too if I was one of the accusers..
 
100% the AFL is trying to control the narrative, and the potential fallout.

The simple fact that the AFL has not engaged an external provider to conduct the investigation tells you all you need to know.
Its a massive red flag.. along with..

Gill… “I’m going to put off stepping down as AFL CEO until after this is cleared up”… which wouldnt at all have something to do with his buddy, buddy association with Clarko… noooo…

And

“All involved have to sign confidentiality clauses”.. clearly so only the AFL can release the findings and control the narrative at the end of the investigation.
Yeah, fxxk off..

And

The AFL releasing the terms of reference and, on the very same day, saying “alright, lets get this investigation started, try and wrap it up by Xmas..
That’ll give the accusers and their legal teams as little time as possible to prepare..

This whole farcical “independent” investigation has rushed, secretive, AFL controlled arse covering exercise written all over it..
 
This - you need a clear separation the AFL effectively investigating themselves works as well as cops investigating themselves. Investigating yourself doesn't work it needs to be external and completely independent. Have a look at political parties investigating themselves for no better example. Investigating yourself 99.99% of the time turns up nothing to see here. #joke

Who’s stopping a completely independent investigation from going ahead?
 
100% the AFL is trying to control the narrative, and the potential fallout.

The simple fact that the AFL has not engaged an external provider to conduct the investigation tells you all you need to know.

Christ on a bike, here comes the tepid takes.

They have engaged external people, of high credibility & professional integrity with published terms of reference, to conduct the investigation
 
Call me cynical but the facts are Gordon Legal is the AFL's legal firm. Gordon Legal has possession, access and control of all documents.

Why does the AFL's legal firm have complete control of all and sundry?

For reference he panel can seek advice from anyone but Gordon Legal or any firm already advising the AFL, but Gordon Legal is the fat controller or maybe a better word would be middleman between the panel and outside parties unless the panel directs otherwise.



My question as all I want is clear separation and independence with this.

Why not have a third party legal firm chosen by the panel for example?

Having the AFL's legal firm controlling this and pulling the strings stinks and there is a clear conflict of interest.

You clearly don’t understand what you’re talking about and don’t understand what a conflict of interest is.

Perhaps you could outline some practical examples of how a regulated, independent legal firm, operating in the public eye will influence and subvert documents, materials, evidence and such like?

Multiple parties, and their independent legal representatives, will submit evidence to a panel of independent legal experts, and you think what will happen exactly?

Please outline what you think might happen
 
You clearly don’t understand what you’re talking about and don’t understand what a conflict of interest is.

Perhaps you could outline some practical examples of how a regulated, independent legal firm, operating in the public eye will influence and subvert documents, materials, evidence and such like?

Multiple parties, and their independent legal representatives, will submit evidence to a panel of independent legal experts, and you think what will happen exactly?

Please outline what you think might happen
 

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