He reminds me of what Homer would look like in the box if he was an afl coach.
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Opinion I've lost my faith in Ken Hinkley
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He reminds me of what Homer would look like in the box if he was an afl coach.
A lot of peole seem to have got the head coach/assistant coaches roles mixed up
Our headccoach should need assistant coaches to delegate his work load to...
Not to teach him FFS
As a martial art instructor it eas sure handy having assistant instructors but they taught my way and I keenly ( and easily )oversaw
the instruction to ensure it was done properly
Sure one can pick up things and learn from anyone in life but the promary role of assistant coaches is
surely not to teach the coach
I sort of always wondered how much Walshy and Richo really assisted or instead really initiated
and taught Ken ( I hope not)
But if so then a Voss with possibly outdated ideas may have had more influence than say if he assisted a Clarko
Our headccoach should need assistant coaches to delegate his work load to...
Not to teach him FFS
As a martial art instructor it eas sure handy having assistant instructors but they taught my way and I keenly ( and easily )oversaw
the instruction to ensure it was done properly
Sure one can pick up things and learn from anyone in life but the promary role of assistant coaches is
surely not to teach the coach
I sort of always wondered how much Walshy and Richo really assisted or instead really initiated
and taught Ken ( I hope not)
But if so then a Voss with possibly outdated ideas may have had more influence than say if he assisted a Clarko
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This thread title needs to be changed!
It's disrespectful & barely anyone here agrees with it.
A more accurate title would be:
Voss & Hart are no replacement for Richardson & Walsh.
It's disrespectful & barely anyone here agrees with it.
A more accurate title would be:
Voss & Hart are no replacement for Richardson & Walsh.
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Its already been neutered once, and you're wrong.
In addition, given the PAFC is a membership based club, it is not only within our rights but is actually one of our responsibilities to think critically about the club. If the members never question, the club will never be successful.
Further, if you see it as disrespectful to question the club's management when things aren't working, I'd suggest you'd make a much better Crowporation fan than PAFC, they love a lack of dissent.
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I don't think that's true. Maybe not all their faith but I'd say a lot of people here have lost a lot of their faith in Ken Hinkley. The mediocrity has continued for too long, and Ken keeps parroting the same stuff that doesn't really mean a lot.
He doesn't seem to have any more handle on how to turn this around, than we do.
"We just have to keep working on getting it right". Just keep working, in the same way - the way you have for the last 18 months?
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Thanks for your opinion, while I appreciate your passion, your attitude of dismissing my membership of this great club is exactly the problem here.
To the contrary, as Ken suggested past night in his Presser, 'Not Giving Up' is a club attitude that means sticking together and not fracturing during the hard times.
Fickle franchises such as that Crow crap across the road love to make hasty reactive decisions to poor performances, seeking a hollow quick fix instead of comitting to building something long term and learning from mistakes. Isn't that what Fos wrote about in the Creed?
The club I support is committed to doing the hard work for the long haul, not throwing the baby out with the bath water when the chips are down, not sure who you think you support.
Hinkley is the head coach and his responsibility to get these players up and firing. If we keep blaming everyone BUT Hinkley, we will be replacing assistants every 12 months with the same result.
Now granted Richo & Walsh are big losses, but who is the coach?
Is Kens improvement in our squad,that he has overseen, that great that we cant question him?
Blaming assistants is a part of the reason, but he needs to take respobsibility in these players and this putrid gameplan!
Do you think that if Voss was at Hawthorn they would be losing? I certainly dont..because Clarkson knows how to coach!
Definitely time is now against Ken.
I have been desperate for things to work for him as he is a good guy but it is looking increasingly obvious that thing are not going to.
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I blame this thread for the players lack of respect for their coach. They are an impressionable group people!
God I hope youre taking the p*s
Actually,if not, and players can be influenced by words on a blog...
....it's the mollycoddlers on here that would do more damage
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Hawthorn wouldn't hire Voss. Well, not in any football capacity.
Kens no doubt a good orator
A person whose voice people may listen to and even be inspired by...
But is he a tactician , can he ,does he think all night on revolutionary set plays, try to think outside the square , scour the world of ( other) sports to find the elusive edge etc etc etc
I'm starting to think no , this was always Walshy and Richos domain and with their tactics and Kens presentation of such it sas a good marriage but maybe always going to be found out
So what do we do about it?
Even if we dumped all the assistants and got good ones the problem hasnt change
It looks like we will br hunting a new coach a I'd rather have someone a bit media shy less charisma etc ( cough walsh).. Maybe even dorky ( cough Bolton) who is an innovator who eats breathes and lives tactics and ways to radically increase skills uptake ( for eg trainging drills At warp speed with weights on etc etc)
We can always be the first club to have a mecia manager do all the talking to the media etc if that is not a skill our new coach has
I think a poster on here hit home with me ...asking who has improved under Ken
Look at the bulldogs overnight improvement
Or cough AFC's
A person whose voice people may listen to and even be inspired by...
But is he a tactician , can he ,does he think all night on revolutionary set plays, try to think outside the square , scour the world of ( other) sports to find the elusive edge etc etc etc
I'm starting to think no , this was always Walshy and Richos domain and with their tactics and Kens presentation of such it sas a good marriage but maybe always going to be found out
So what do we do about it?
Even if we dumped all the assistants and got good ones the problem hasnt change
It looks like we will br hunting a new coach a I'd rather have someone a bit media shy less charisma etc ( cough walsh).. Maybe even dorky ( cough Bolton) who is an innovator who eats breathes and lives tactics and ways to radically increase skills uptake ( for eg trainging drills At warp speed with weights on etc etc)
We can always be the first club to have a mecia manager do all the talking to the media etc if that is not a skill our new coach has
I think a poster on here hit home with me ...asking who has improved under Ken
Look at the bulldogs overnight improvement
Or cough AFC's
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I'm dismissing your bizarre and self-contradicting attitude (see below), and your assumption that Port fans should be mindless drones that accept whatever is there regardless of what is happening.
So you claim to believe this and yet you're still willing to throw Hart & Voss under the bus? LOL
Actually they notoriously don't, they are slow as **** to make changes unless they are forced to.
Ken is one wrinkly baby, and if you genuinely believe "I've lost faith in Ken Hinkley" is an unreasonable and irrational statement then you have no worthwhile perspective.
LOL, turn it up mate. The club is a member of an elite & professional sporting code. Everyone who has a role within the club is constantly under scrutiny and review. When did this club ever turn into Jonestown?
In the business world, there are many people (great CVs!) who are brilliant 2ICs but are duds as 1Cs.
Why the need for a Director of Coaching?? The appointed coach is THE Coach - he sets the "this is what I want - do IT". I detest the slogan "We want the PAFC to be a club of choice" or "The club for development and experience for others". The PAFC should never be a sheltered workshop for coaching wannabees or those rejected many times by other clubs.
If an AFL coach requires a "superior" brain/tactician sitting alongside them, then the club has the wrong person.
Support is necessary and in abundance in the PAFC Football Department but it's not that ****** complicated where the coach needs a whiz kid - so to speak.!
I backed Ken 100% last year when his role and game plan came under fire. I refused to accept that other teams had "worked us out." I kept making comparisons to teams like Hawthorn - teams whose game plans are clearly visible given the attention they get from every other club. But you know what? These teams still perform, these teams still win.
Why? Because the coaches continually make adjustments so the team is one step ahead of their rivals. Ken has not made adjustments since 2014. He continues to rely on an outdated game plan.
Our structures are not working. I get so frustrated with the amount of times when we are trying to clear our defensive 50, a player looks up to find only a wall of opposition jumpers ahead. How can we score when there is literally no one to kick to? And when we finally do buck the trend and take a contested mark coming out of the 50, it seems the game plan is just to immediately play on...play on when there is no one next in the chain which causes another turnover and another opposition forward 50 entry.
Another point, motivation. When Ken first came in all his sayings and slogans caught us. We believed him. Problem is, motivation is temporary - it needs to be reignited regularly. I used to watch every one of Ken's interviews, but now i can't stand them. He Ken continues to feed us the same crap, the same sayings (eg last week saying "we need to win back respect", that meant something in 2013, it doesn't anymore).
The supporters aren't buying it anymore, and that means the players aren't either. When we were on the up in 2013/2014 our players had hunger and desire. When we lost momentum we fought back with all we could. There may have been losses but we went out swinging. Back to present, now its like when we lose momentum (and it may only be a couple goals) the players drop their heads and walk back to centre square, as if they have already accepted defeat. The hunger quickly dissipates and no one wants to work hard enough. What happens next is what's really alarming for me. The players begin to play as individuals, not a team. They seem to lose focus on the game plan (which, even though I'm bagging it, a bad game plan is better than no game plan). The players just worry about themselves. That's when the goals start getting piled on.
Obviously the players can't hide from the blame - they are professional athletes and this is their job. If playing football and winning doesn't motivate you then find another career path...But the overall responsibility falls back on Ken. It is his job to motivate them and it his job to provide them with a game plan that the players actually buy in to.
At the moment Hinkley looks like a one trick pony. I really hope I am wrong, but if this continues then his contract should just be paid out at season's end. We have a lot of players in their "prime", and we've traded our last 2 first round picks. We have not been recruiting for a long-term rebuild, we have tried to plug holes in our list. Action is needed fast, it is needed now!
Why? Because the coaches continually make adjustments so the team is one step ahead of their rivals. Ken has not made adjustments since 2014. He continues to rely on an outdated game plan.
Our structures are not working. I get so frustrated with the amount of times when we are trying to clear our defensive 50, a player looks up to find only a wall of opposition jumpers ahead. How can we score when there is literally no one to kick to? And when we finally do buck the trend and take a contested mark coming out of the 50, it seems the game plan is just to immediately play on...play on when there is no one next in the chain which causes another turnover and another opposition forward 50 entry.
Another point, motivation. When Ken first came in all his sayings and slogans caught us. We believed him. Problem is, motivation is temporary - it needs to be reignited regularly. I used to watch every one of Ken's interviews, but now i can't stand them. He Ken continues to feed us the same crap, the same sayings (eg last week saying "we need to win back respect", that meant something in 2013, it doesn't anymore).
The supporters aren't buying it anymore, and that means the players aren't either. When we were on the up in 2013/2014 our players had hunger and desire. When we lost momentum we fought back with all we could. There may have been losses but we went out swinging. Back to present, now its like when we lose momentum (and it may only be a couple goals) the players drop their heads and walk back to centre square, as if they have already accepted defeat. The hunger quickly dissipates and no one wants to work hard enough. What happens next is what's really alarming for me. The players begin to play as individuals, not a team. They seem to lose focus on the game plan (which, even though I'm bagging it, a bad game plan is better than no game plan). The players just worry about themselves. That's when the goals start getting piled on.
Obviously the players can't hide from the blame - they are professional athletes and this is their job. If playing football and winning doesn't motivate you then find another career path...But the overall responsibility falls back on Ken. It is his job to motivate them and it his job to provide them with a game plan that the players actually buy in to.
At the moment Hinkley looks like a one trick pony. I really hope I am wrong, but if this continues then his contract should just be paid out at season's end. We have a lot of players in their "prime", and we've traded our last 2 first round picks. We have not been recruiting for a long-term rebuild, we have tried to plug holes in our list. Action is needed fast, it is needed now!
For f**k's sake, this is all about getting destroyed at center bounces, throw ins and ball ups. If you can't at least break even, AT LEAST break even at the stoppages, you are going to find it very, very hard to win a game of football.
This is the area in which we have been progressively getting worse in since the beginning of 2015 and whilst Ken Hinkley is the senior coach and must take the flack over this, the truth is that we hire "specialists" to work in this area and this area alone.
The joker we now have, you know, the one that people made a song and dance about because he was a brilliant footballer, they somehow dismissed/forgot the fact that he was a shit-house coach in his own right and more capable of getting into pub brawls than being capable at coaching.
Lobbe has been getting shit but when you look at the games closely, he is breaking even AT LEAST in the ruck but the opposition are roving to our ruckman and destroying us. Our blokes take up the wrong positions and look like they are in lala land at the stoppages.
As for losing faith in Ken Hinkley, well, when we aren't going well it hurts really badly and the buck stops with the coach but Hinkley will see us right. We need to desist in behaving like those moronic soccer fans who want to sack the coach when things get a bit tough. Get angry, show you are not happy, demand the best but stick with the fella who took us from being a shambles and brought back discipline and hunger to succeed.
This is the area in which we have been progressively getting worse in since the beginning of 2015 and whilst Ken Hinkley is the senior coach and must take the flack over this, the truth is that we hire "specialists" to work in this area and this area alone.
The joker we now have, you know, the one that people made a song and dance about because he was a brilliant footballer, they somehow dismissed/forgot the fact that he was a shit-house coach in his own right and more capable of getting into pub brawls than being capable at coaching.
Lobbe has been getting shit but when you look at the games closely, he is breaking even AT LEAST in the ruck but the opposition are roving to our ruckman and destroying us. Our blokes take up the wrong positions and look like they are in lala land at the stoppages.
As for losing faith in Ken Hinkley, well, when we aren't going well it hurts really badly and the buck stops with the coach but Hinkley will see us right. We need to desist in behaving like those moronic soccer fans who want to sack the coach when things get a bit tough. Get angry, show you are not happy, demand the best but stick with the fella who took us from being a shambles and brought back discipline and hunger to succeed.
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Bollocks you've been sticking the boot in at Ken at every chance you get.
You get off on this thread.
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