Toast kudos to Ratts

[PatrickBateman]

Why would you consider for Carlton to be a rabble?

Remember in 2006 when you finished 10th.?
Were you also a rabble or a team on the cusp of something great?

I've said this on your board only last week and that is you never know when you have witnessed the game that signifies the end of an era and the possible start of a new one for another team.
Yours may just have been yesterday.
The same names in the same side do not always equate to the same team.

Fans get torn up when their expectations get carried away.

....

Expect disappointment. Can't say much else. I don't think your list is up to it. Geelong were contenders in 2004(prelim), 2005(semi)... 2006 was a bad year. Carlton have been bad for 10 years+. You think Carlton will make the prelim in 2010?? lol.

 

[PatrickBateman]

I never is, until it is. Is it?

Funny how some people think that all is Status Quo.
This is not to say we'll take the premiership this year, but things to move along and catch you unaware.

Our backline is more than solid.
Our mids are: Well, you know now.
Our Ruck stocks are very good and I'll bet you'd trade our forward six for yours right now.

True?

HAHAHAHA... thank you for the comedic relief while I sit in my office.

You think I'd give up Mooney, S.Johnson, Chapman for who?? We beat Port Adelaide by 90 odd points last week. When is the last time you did that to any side?? We've won like 70 from 80 odd games with that forward line! It's 1 game for Christ sake(in round 5). This kind of talk is exactly what I'm talking about. You're comparing a multiple premiership winning forward line(or team for that matter) against your lot?? No wonder you all get crushed so hard when the inevitable sets in. Make the top 4 in any given year... then talk your side up.

I never wanted to dirty the Carlton team here, just wanted to but some light on the one round 5 game. Talk about getting carried away... Why didn't you become a great side after beating Geelong last year, by the same margin? What is going to change this time?

 

[Sin City]

Actually it's the second time in a row we've beaten your lot. Wouldn't go bragging about Mooney and Johnson after yesterday.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Actually it's the second time in a row we've beaten your lot. Wouldn't go bragging about Mooney and Johnson after yesterday.

2 flags in 3 years, you think I care about losing to Carlton this year or last? Every team has a bad day, as you SHOULD be well aware of. I'm still not tipping you guys to make the finals... as are many.

 

[thylacine60]

HAHAHAHA... thank you for the comedic relief while I sit in my office.

You think I'd give up Mooney, S.Johnson, Chapman for who?? We beat Port Adelaide by 90 odd points last week. When is the last time you did that to any side?? We've won like 70 from 80 odd games with that forward line! It's 1 game for Christ sake(in round 5). This kind of talk is exactly what I'm talking about. You're comparing a multiple premiership winning forward line(or team for that matter) against your lot?? No wonder you all get crushed so hard when the inevitable sets in. Make the top 4 in any given year... then talk your side up.

I never wanted to dirty the Carlton team here, just wanted to but some light on the one round 5 game. Talk about getting carried away... Why didn't you become a great side after beating Geelong last year, by the same margin? What is going to change this time?

The measured respectful poster is starting to show its true style. You lost. **** off.

PS: Ladder.

 

[PatrickBateman]

The measured respectful poster is starting to show its true style. You lost. **** off.

PS: Ladder.

The rebuttal I was inevitably waiting for. Thank you.

 

[HARKER]

HAHAHAHA... thank you for the comedic relief while I sit in my office.

You think I'd give up Mooney, S.Johnson, Chapman for who??same margin? What is going to change this time?

This is what I mean.
Hanging onto shreds of the past.

Mooney:Into the twilight zone of his career and it is showing.
Podsi: Big hit or miss here and was only taken on for the fact you have no faith in Hawkins. Money on the miss, though.
Hawkins: Do you really need me to say anything?
Johnson: Great front runner. Probably one of the best, but only as a front runner.
Byrnes: Hope all you want, but hope does not translate into belief

Chapman: Gun, no argument

Geelongs forward line has functioned only on the strength of the mighty mids you have.
Stick that 6 into an Richmond and you'd be lucky to score 10 goals a game

 

[The Exorcist]

2 flags in 3 years, you think I care about losing to Carlton this year or last? Every team has a bad day, as you SHOULD be well aware of. I'm still not tipping you guys to make the finals... as are many.

You don't care about losing to Carlton but:

• You come onto the Carlton board to basically say that Geelong are a better team
• That Carlton are not really very good and yesterday means nothing
• Point out that you've won 2 of the last 3 premerships

Sounds like yesterday's loss is really hurting your ego, dude. Are things really that miserable in your life?

 

[Blue Bawls]

Not sure if all this is in line with the OP gents...

I thought Ratts did what he always does - go in with a game plan and hope it comes off. He openly admitted small backs was a gamble, so how does this win reflect on his coaching ability?

What if the backs got smashed? How would he have reacted during the game? What if the ball rebounded out of our forward line straight into Geelong goals? What if the clearances didn't go our way?

The players did what they were told to do, where in a few previous matches they couldn't get it together. Does that make Ratts a better coach this week?

Whether or not he's a good reactive coach, I'm stretched to understand. It was Bomber Thomson forced to play that role yesterday, and some would say the result was his failure rather than his forwards couldn't kick straight. Are there calls for his head over in the kitty litter?

I support Ratts as a coach simply because he re-installed a sense of belief in a bunch of players who played with no purpose throughout the "dark years". His faith in players such as Russell, Armfield, Carlos and AJ is paying dividends and he's built a stronger player group as a result.

So, kudos to Ratts.

 

[ratten7]

Not sure if all this is in line with the OP gents...

I thought Ratts did what he always does - go in with a game plan and hope it comes off. He openly admitted small backs was a gamble, so how does this win reflect on his coaching ability?

What if the backs got smashed? How would he have reacted during the game? What if the ball rebounded out of our forward line straight into Geelong goals? What if the clearances didn't go our way?

The players did what they were told to do, where in a few previous matches they couldn't get it together. Does that make Ratts a better coach this week?

Whether or not he's a good reactive coach, I'm stretched to understand. It was Bomber Thomson forced to play that role yesterday, and some would say the result was his failure rather than his forwards couldn't kick straight. Are there calls for his head over in the kitty litter?

I support Ratts as a coach simply because he re-installed a sense of belief in a bunch of players who played with no purpose throughout the "dark years". His faith in players such as Russell, Armfield, Carlos and AJ is paying dividends and he's built a stronger player group as a result.

So, kudos to Ratts.

great coaching this week Ratts!

It is good coaching to pick a side that would hurt geelong on the counter attack, which they did. Good coaching picking a very mobile side and having a specific plan to outrun and get numbers to the ball. Great idea having the 3 smalls at the front knowing geelong didn't have the pace to cover all three. All these show he is growing into his craft and making some great decisions.

It wouldn't suprise me if other teams try and expose Geelong the same way we did.

All your what ifs can be asked about any game of football. The Facts are it did pay off. It won't be set up this way for all our games with Bower , Waite and Austin on the sidelines. But having this kind of set up against some teams without dominant forwards can be a winning structure and was on the weekend. If it didn't work then we had Hendo and Setanta that could stand in as they did last week. also if it didn't work he would have been bagged, but also give credit where due. It did work and good for Ratts.

He played a team and structure that he thought would beat Geelong. he was proactive by picking a smaller counter attacking backline that could hurt Geelongs forwards . I'm just glad he wasn't reactive, but poractive in finding a way to win.

 

[Dramoth]

Typical faceless dribble from someone writing crap for foxsports...

Coach Ratten keeps Carlton Confidence

Carlton's upset win over Geelong at the MCG appears certain to be a major factor in determining whether coach Brett Ratten keeps his position.

Despite a popular belief within the game that Ratten has had his contract extended until the end of next season, it is believed his current contractual arrangements contain a trigger mechanism that needs to be activated at board level for him to continue into next year.

It is believed Ratten's position is not secure beyond this year, and to continue he must achieve certain criteria this season, which is not necessarily based on wins and losses.

It is believed Ratten agreed to the contract terms last year, and well before the Blues became fed up with the off-field antics of Brendan Fevola and traded him to Brisbane last October.

Coach Ratten keeps Carlton Confidence

Lots of 'it is believed' and Despite's throughout the whole puff piece.

Gutless writers who wont sign their names to a piece should be sacked...

The club has stepped out after we got rid of Fev and said that Ratts position is safe this year... no matter what happens. But the gutless wonder who wrote this article makes it appear that Ratts was on the verge of getting sacked after 2 losses.

 

[Styxx]

I think Ratten did the one thing I think was his criticism.

He took big risks. What I mean is that he always seemed to have a very conservative approach to his coaching which at times was very predictable for other teams to read.


If you risk small, you usally win or lose small..... Ratten has gone for the "All In" option and has produced not only two great victories but victories in the first half of that " month from hell" we were suppossed to have.

 

[gbatman]

Rats has a game style and he's finally finding the players to play it, pity Walker is injured he was perfect for it, but Bower and Waite fit the mould well to. Run hard and fast and rebound quick from turnovers. Kick short, use handball and carry the ball. Defencive pressure and forwards pressure have been huge improvements over the last few years.

 

[Dramoth]

Rats has a game style and he's finally finding the players to play it, pity Walker is injured he was perfect for it, but Bower and Waite fit the mould well to. Run hard and fast and rebound quick from turnovers. Kick short, use handball and carry the ball. Defencive pressure and forwards pressure have been huge improvements over the last few years.

opposed to us having no pressure in 2007 when we were getting run over to the tune of 100+ points a match

 

[waldo48]

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Expect disappointment. Can't say much else. I don't think your list is up to it. Geelong were contenders in 2004(prelim), 2005(semi)... 2006 was a bad year. Carlton have been bad for 10 years+. You think Carlton will make the prelim in 2010?? lol.

Why don't you flower off back to your own Board and stop polluting ours with your crap. You are writing so much rubbish you don't even deserve a decent reply.

Get it through your thick head (if that is possible) we won!!!

Personally, I don't give a rat's clacker what you think. So Geelong have won a couple of premierships over the last 3 years. Good on them, it only took them 44 years to get their act together while Carlton won 8 in the same period. We are quiet happy with the way we are going. If the Cats get up again this year good luck to them

Carlton are going quietly about their business and we don't need boneheads like you continuously making inane and stupid comments to people who couldn't care less what you think.

Flower off and have a good day.

 

[Blue Bawls]

great coaching this week Ratts!

It is good coaching to pick a side that would hurt geelong on the counter attack, which they did. Good coaching picking a very mobile side and having a specific plan to outrun and get numbers to the ball. Great idea having the 3 smalls at the front knowing geelong didn't have the pace to cover all three. All these show he is growing into his craft and making some great decisions.

It wouldn't suprise me if other teams try and expose Geelong the same way we did.

All your what ifs can be asked about any game of football. The Facts are it did pay off. It won't be set up this way for all our games with Bower , Waite and Austin on the sidelines. But having this kind of set up against some teams without dominant forwards can be a winning structure and was on the weekend. If it didn't work then we had Hendo and Setanta that could stand in as they did last week. also if it didn't work he would have been bagged, but also give credit where due. It did work and good for Ratts.

He played a team and structure that he thought would beat Geelong. he was proactive by picking a smaller counter attacking backline that could hurt Geelongs forwards . I'm just glad he wasn't reactive, but poractive in finding a way to win.

Fremantle already did. You don't think Ratts (and every other opposition coach) got a few clues from that match?

The defensive pressure we applied through the centre was immense. Without that, their tall forwards would have enjoyed much better delivery - even without that, had they all kicked straight it would have been a different story.

As for all those "great ideas" with the forward and back structures, I don't think he had a great deal of choice...

 

[Malifice]

HAHAHAHA... thank you for the comedic relief while I sit in my office.

Office?

Wow... I thought you were like ten.

You think I'd give up Mooney, S.Johnson, Chapman for who??

Judd, Murphy, Kruezer, Yarran or Gibbs to name five.

We beat Port Adelaide by 90 odd points last week. When is the last time you did that to any side??

Round 20 last year... also against Port Adelaide:

Carlton – 18.13 (121) Port Adelaide – 9.13 (67)

We didnt quite get to 90 points up, but then again we played them in Adelaide.

We've won like 70 from 80 odd games with that forward line!

Then why recruit Podsiadly (a 28 year old VFL player) this year if your forward line is so crash hot?

You're comparing a multiple premiership winning forward line(or team for that matter) against your lot?? No wonder you all get crushed so hard when the inevitable sets in. Make the top 4 in any given year... then talk your side up.

Geelongs fall (that everyone sees coming) is going to hit you hard I feel.

Also, your hubris is amazing.

I never wanted to dirty the Carlton team here

Yet here you are doing it.

Someone got a gun to your head?

just wanted to but some light on the one round 5 game.

That you lost, and we won.

Build a bridge you sore loser.

 

[thylacine60]

MalPal nails another coffin shut.

 

[Windhover]

Hawkins gets owned every week my friend... nothing new here. He's only still getting a game because he's part of a predominately winning team.



Ling was too slow for Murphy... very true, then curbed Judd in the second half as reported in every media outlet. Judd's influence in the second half was minimal.



I tried to relate yesterdays game to the Carlton supporter who complained about the loss to Essendon when you guys played awfully... you don't want to see the similarity? Fine. Carlton simply are not the team that Geelong is... that is fact. Not that this doesn't mean they can be beaten, of course they can and did. YOUR team lost to Essendon because they thought all they had to do was 'turn up'... as Geelong did yesterday. Geelong were terrible. Without Ablett... at least a 10 goal loss.

We lost to you guys last year by the same amount... yet Premiers in '09?? I'm just trying to put things in perspective here. Fans get torn up when their expectations get carried away.

Paddy it was your "expert" analysis that the reason Geelong lost was that they didn't "turn up". I criticised this as being simplistic nonsense and gave some reasoned explanation. It seems that on close inspection you agree with me that one of the reasons Geelong lost was that Hawkins was thrashed. Interestingly you regard that as being a predictable event and that, because you usually win even with that problem, it can't be an explanation. Surely if Hawkins is an inherent weakness, sooner or later you can expect good sides (like Carlton) to exploit it whereas "rabble" will not.

Secondly you say Ling was too slow for Murphy but not too slow for Judd. If that passes for analysis go figure.
Thirdly you refer to last year as if that might provide an explanation for Monday's game. Needless to say it doesn't (although no doubt you will gain as much comfort from the end result as you do from your thumb and security blanket).

You state as a fact that Carlton is not the same team Geelong is. I think this is hard to deny. Apart from each team having 22 players none of whom play for the opposition, Carlton are rightly regarded as the premier club with an outstanding history of success - Geelong are regarded as chronic underperformers. You will no doubt comfort yourself from that charge by nuzzling your recent success but, whilst you do, let me pose this question. How many premierships do you really think you would have won if Carlton had not been prevented from competing by the penalty of draft pick losses in the early 00s when we had an ageing side in need of replenishment?

Your motivation for posting (supposedly an earnest desire to damp down rising Carlton expectations) is as irrelevant to this thread as it is insincere. No doubt long-suffering Geelong fans get "torn up" by recollection of their years of failure from the late 1980s to 1995. Carlton fans have no such collective history of failure.

 

[Aphrodite]

MalPal nails another coffin shut.

Well & truly shut T

 

[Big Red is back]

mmm... maybe put Jamo on Dawes? how could he not see that move

mmmm. maybe select a gun like waite instead of a battler like Hendo

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

mmm... maybe put Jamo on Dawes? how could he not see that move

mmmm. maybe select a gun like waite instead of a battler like Hendo

Why did you not contribute to this thread after the Geelong game and have made a reappearance after the final siren today? Fair dinkum some of you are soft front runners who only turn out to bag the team. I don't buy any of this 'been a member for x years and am as Navy Blue as anybody' rhetoric. If you actually took pleasure from your team and are a real supporter, you are objective. You look for the positives and are constructive with your negatives.

People wonder why others doubt their allegiance. I just can't fathom why people come out of the woodwork to bag the team they allegedly love, but seldom give them credit for doing something right. Smacks of selfishness to me.

 

[Sin City]

Once again in the eyes of some people players win games, coaches lose them.

 

[Big Red is back]

Why did you not contribute to this thread after the Geelong game and have made a reappearance after the final siren today? Fair dinkum some of you are soft front runners who only turn out to bag the team. I don't buy any of this 'been a member for x years and am as Navy Blue as anybody' rhetoric. If you actually took pleasure from your team and are a real supporter, you are objective. You look for the positives and are constructive with your negatives.

People wonder why others doubt their allegiance. I just can't fathom why people come out of the woodwork to bag the team they allegedly love, but seldom give them credit for doing something right. Smacks of selfishness to me.

I posted regualry after the Geelong game knackers.

The reality is each of MMM and 3AW could not believe this move was not made and equally they all agree it is time for Hendo to say bye bye and earn a game.

So knackers u are in the minority ... harden up mate.

 

[mediumsizered]

Interesting to note that we fielded a team today which was younger than the Richmond team which got smashed by more than 100 points today. The Richmond team which is 0-6 while we are 3-3.

A bit of perspective as to where we are at in our development wouldn't go astray.