List Mgmt. List Management 2022

[Bamboo Harvester]

I'm not a fan of sholl and I don't think we need Wingman.

We have midfielder that can rotate between inside and wing like Cerra, Walsh and Fisher. We also have defender that can push up on the wing like Docherty and Williams. Plus I think the development of LOB and Cottrell has been positive this year.

I do think we are one quality ready made midfielder short. I think Stocker or Kemp could step up into this roll. If not and we are looking to trade Fiorini would be the player I'll go after.

Look no further.....the most talented midfielder on our list. If he can finally manage to get over his injuries, would make a massive difference to our midfield

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Would love to draft a CHB/FB with out 1st pick in the draft, provided it’s not a big reach, to be Weiters protege

 

[Korn]

We are too tall. Need some small speedy players in the squad.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

A hard running midfielder please

 

[Jimmae]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but bare minimum in the DFA period we can sign anyone who:

• Retired last year and wishes to rejoin the league
• Delisted this season and any previous season and still nominated for the draft
• Nominated for the mid-season draft

Now, how does it work for undrafted players from previous draft pools? Are they ineligible, or are they eligible for 3 years after nomination? Or something else?

Even without that, I think we have the ability to skim some promising young talent in the first DFA period to refresh the depth of the list, particularly outside types with pace and speed.

Just need to cut some aging and middling depth.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

We are too tall. Need some small speedy players in the squad.

We were too short only a few weeks ago. Now that we have the players back, suddenly we're too tall; that should tell you something. If anything, we are too short; we are too short of quality 'outside' players of any height, specifically attacking types. The only way we are 'too tall' is that we shouldn't be playing two ruckmen who don't do enough around the ground.

 

[Arr0w]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but bare minimum in the DFA period we can sign anyone who:

• Retired last year and wishes to rejoin the league
• Delisted this season and any previous season and still nominated for the draft
• Nominated for the mid-season draft

Now, how does it work for undrafted players from previous draft pools? Are they ineligible, or are they eligible for 3 years after nomination? Or something else?

Even without that, I think we have the ability to skim some promising young talent to refresh the depth of the list, particularly outside types with pace and speed.

Can't play for at least 18 months

 

[Arr0w]

Quality, mobile spine players. Speed, speed and speed and foot skills. Mongrel

 

[Jimmae]

Delisted Free Agent period is for...

A delisted player who has been cut by his club. He is not subject to the same rules, he can walk to any club that has offered a contract.

A retired player has to sit out for 18 months like Arr0w said... But there is always AFL bending the rules...

I'm 100% certain that MSD nominees are eligible, and delisted players are eligible so long as they are still registered for the draft (ie. for multiple seasons).

Just a question of whether previous national draft nominees are eligible, and how many years that lasts.

Forgot about the special conditions for retired players.

 

[Jimmae]

Unsure mate...
Thought it was only for those who have been delisted from a list...
MSD players would probably have to be taken in one of the drafts...

These were part of the changes along with list size reduction, but they've barely been utilised so far.

 

[Gethelred]

Look no further.....the most talented midfielder on our list. If he can finally manage to get over his injuries, would make a massive difference to our midfield

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I do wonder how many of our midfielders are firestarters for us when we need it. Walsh can get us going, so can Cripps. Hewett is more of a metronome type. Kennedy can play well when the team is down but can also play poorly when the team is up. Fisher can only play well when the rest of the team are going well. Who is our Petracca, Dangerfield, Parker? It is probably also Cripps but he's not as quick.

We are just missing pace and x factor in that midfield. Not sure how we get it.

 

[Jimmae]

I do wonder how many of our midfielders are firestarters for us when we need it. Walsh can get us going, so can Cripps. Hewett is more of a metronome type. Kennedy can play well when the team is down but can also play poorly when the team is up. Fisher can only play well when the rest of the team are going well. Who is our Petracca, Dangerfield, Parker? It is probably also Cripps but he's not as quick.

We are just missing pace and x factor in that midfield. Not sure how we get it.

Kemp, Dow, Setterfield, Silvagni, Carroll, Stocker.

Each can radically change our stoppage looks when given the licence to, but beyond the obvious 3, not sure how much training and video time each has had with regard to this.

Carroll would be the least physically prepared of the six.

Big believer in getting Owies into more stoppage looks at training too, as I think his contested work is the best part of his game at the elite level.

EDIT: obviously not expecting more than 1 or 2 of them to be able to even reach the elite bracket, just identifying contested assets that would competently shake things up at general stoppages.

 

[Red Bull]

Wonder what the contract status is of Sam Powell-Pepper

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Sam Powell-pepper

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27

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187cm

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98kg

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17.6

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9.0

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2.5

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5.1

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0.5

3star

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13.9

3star

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6.8

3star

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7.1

4star

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2.2

2star

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3.3

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0.3

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17.0

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8.4

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8.6

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2.4

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3.6

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0.8

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Tackles hard, hard body, can kick a goal and plays with a relentless “take no prisoners” attitude.
Voss would have a relationship with him and you would imagine he’d like his playing style …

 

[Beyond Blue]

Kemp, Dow, Setterfield, Silvagni, Carroll, Stocker.

Each can radically change our stoppage looks when given the licence to, but beyond the obvious 3, not sure how much training and video time each has had with regard to this.

Carroll would be the least physically prepared of the six.

Big believer in getting Owies into more stoppage looks at training too, as I think his contested work is the best part of his game at the elite level.

EDIT: obviously not expecting more than 1 or 2 of them to be able to even reach the elite bracket, just identifying contested assets that would competently shake things up at general stoppages.

I’ll firstly preface what I’m about to say by saying we are really missing George Hewett at the moment so we look a bit weaker than normal in the contest with him out.

IMO of those you’ve listed Stocker is the obvious one with the fire in his belly for a contest and a good kick to go into the midfield and play that role but he will need to develop a tank over the pre season before that is even a remote possibility.

Jack maybe able to to pinch hit in the middle from time to time when we are struggling to get going but his kicking skills aren’t good enough for it to be a permanent move.

Also I see Kemp as a utility who will play here, there and everywhere over his career so I doubt he ever settles in the middle although again like Sos I expect we’ll see him in there from time to time.

The other 3 I doubt are good enough to get anywhere near the level of an elite AFL midfielder status.

 

[Arr0w]

Kemp, Dow, Setterfield, Silvagni, Carroll, Stocker.

Each can radically change our stoppage looks when given the licence to, but beyond the obvious 3, not sure how much training and video time each has had with regard to this.

Carroll would be the least physically prepared of the six.

Big believer in getting Owies into more stoppage looks at training too, as I think his contested work is the best part of his game at the elite level.

EDIT: obviously not expecting more than 1 or 2 of them to be able to even reach the elite bracket, just identifying contested assets that would competently shake things up at general stoppages.

And apart from Silvagni, none have shown consistency to warrant ongoing selections, hence why professional football departments have determined as such

 

[bmaurizio]

And apart from Silvagni, none have shown consistency to warrant ongoing selections, hence why professional football departments have determined as such

Yup, we need a serious list over haul yet, remove the less durables, perennially off the park types, enough, also unprofessional, uncommitted , disgruntled too, enough pampering.
Curely Jr. & Vossy, need few years to get it right , we need to get a move on, Harry & Charlie won’t last forever.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Yup, we need a serious list over haul yet, remove the non durables, perennially off the park types, Ive had enough, and the unprofessional, uncommitted , disenchanted, enough pampering.
Curely Jr & Vossy will need few years yet, hopefully they’ll get it right Harry & Charlie won’t last forever.

I agree.
But to now bring in new players, we need to give up something. If we just removed the players we all know most likely won't go to the next level, we will be worse off unless we bring in some.

I think our best 15 or so is as good as any teams, think we drop away too much after that

 

[Arr0w]

Yup, we need a serious list over haul yet, remove the less durables, perennially off the park types, enough, also unprofessional, uncommitted , disgruntled too, enough pampering.
Curely Jr. & Vossy, need few years to get it right , we need to get a move on, Harry & Charlie won’t last forever.

The list still has some holes, nothing earth shattering given where we are as a squad, since the rebuild started. I'd suggest we will likely have 6-8 changes and hopefully further address our needs

 

[bluebunz]

Quality, mobile spine players. Speed, speed and speed and foot skills. Mongrel

Keeping in mind we're not going for A-grade mids/stars, who are the players we could potentially look at to fill out our team?

Assuming mid-age range (mature bodies, experienced enough, but not at the end of their careers, fill a specific need and/or bring something else to our team or line (back/mid/HFF etc).

Powell-Pepper (24 yrs old - i thought he was older) has been mentioned, for his harder edge.

(Don't shoot me Rhys Mathieson - 24 yrs old (Nickname(s): Beast Mode, The Barometer, Loose Cannon, Rhyno, The Shear Force) - in and out of the Lions team, but gives 110%, kicks goals and tackles like a maniac when he's in. (Also gets under the noses of the opposition - something we have lacked for years...)

Anyone else?

 

[bmaurizio]

I agree.
But to now bring in new players, we need to give up something. If we just removed the players we all know most likely won't go to the next level, we will be worse off unless we bring in some.

I think our best 15 or so is as good as any teams, think we drop away too much after that

Agree with you regarding our core dependable players, they’re high quality professionals, however it’s difficult carrying 6 to 8 players eve game that are either uncommitted, lazy or too pampered by generous contracts, need to source replacements asap.

 

[Arr0w]

Keeping in mind we're not going for A-grade mids/stars, who are the players we could potentially look at to fill out our team?

Assuming mid-age range (mature bodies, experienced enough, but not at the end of their careers, fill a specific need and/or bring something else to our team or line (back/mid/HFF etc).

Powell-Pepper (24 yrs old - i thought he was older) has been mentioned, for his harder edge.

(Don't shoot me Rhys Mathieson - 24 yrs old (Nickname(s): Beast Mode, The Barometer, Loose Cannon, Rhyno, The Shear Force) - in and out of the Lions team, but gives 110%, kicks goals and tackles like a maniac when he's in. (Also gets under the noses of the opposition - something we have lacked for years...)

Anyone else?

It's a tough one, especially trying to address our need on the cheap

SPP, does have mongrel, intent, burst and while not gifted by foot has improved his limitations in that area, not sure he would be that cheap. Mathison, no thanks, think that would be a backward step. Has grunt but nothing else to address our needs

The talk of Scholl makes sense, runs all day, very good disposal either side, but the downside, don't see him as a player that can stop opposition momentum of the game. Hinge is one that I would be interested in, tall, tough, quick and a nice left peg

Jackson Prior for his left peg and toughness, but lacks speed. Would just be a younger Newman

Banfield I liked in the year we added Shaw and O'Shea. Tough, competitive, can kick goals or negate a player, but another bottom 6 role player

Bruhn, not sure we can afford him, given the interest from other clubs

Jayden Hunt, could play that wing role, speed, but inconsistent by foot

Zurhaar ticks a fair few boxes and maybe in a better side he could evolve into a JDG type, risky though

Stack? Now we are talking real risk/reward, I'd say not

Jamaine Jones. This is the guy I would target as a non tall option. UFA, has speed, toughness, very good left peg and is quick. Can play a variety of roles and would be relatively cheap

 

[Bletch]

Don't recall... does the AFL still have the Free Agent rule that affected us getting compo for Betts? i.e. We picked up Daisy as a FA, Betts left - no compo.

If (1) that rule still exists; and (2) we're looking to get compo for Jones, then any free agent we look at will need to be assessed against the likely Jones compo.

 

[TENACIOUS]

It's a cut throat industry... Fan favourites and hope a player will make it, doesn't cut it at the top...

We still have so many unknowns on our list...

The 16 players below or 38% of our list, are either unknowns or haven't taken their chances when given (either through injury or ability or both)...
Dow, O'Brien, Fogarty, Carroll, Stocker, Kemp, Martin, Marchbank, Parks, Cuningham, Philp, Honey, Durdin, McDonald, Hayes, Setterfield...

All need to either take the next step in the next 2-12 months or will get the chop...

 

[BlueVision]

It's a cut throat industry... Fan favourites and hope a player will make it, doesn't cut it at the top...

We still have so many unknowns on our list...

The 16 players below or 38% of our list, are either unknowns or haven't taken their chances when given (either through injury or ability or both)...
Dow, O'Brien, Fogarty, Carroll, Stocker, Kemp, Martin, Marchbank, Parks, Cuningham, Philp, Honey, Durdin, McDonald, Hayes, Setterfield...

All need to either take the next step in the next 2-12 months or will get the chop...

No disagreement from me in regards to your list and is a reason why I believe we draft the best player available at the next draft and don't draft a player based off need.