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You do realise the two things are not mutually dependent?

I can be happy to have gained JHF and look forward to being in the first round of this draft.
I thought that was acknowledged when he stated “until last draft”

I’d still suggest giving up pick 16 in this draft is not that big a deal when we used it to land Esava and Soldo (expect to be wrong about that, happy to be corrected) both of whom at the time were expected to fill huge voids in the list.
 
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Looking forward to this time next year when we try to trade our way back into the first round of next year's draft.

Always mortgaging our future for the next missing piece of the Donuts puzzle.

Who were the top 20 draft picks taken by Brisbane in a draft in this years premiership team?

Genuine question as I don’t know the answer, but I can only think of three - McCluggage, Ashcroft and Rayner.

I suspect the majority of the team was recruited through trading as relying on the draft is a fools game.

Being a destination club is more important than dipping into the lottery.
 
Who were the top 20 draft picks taken by Brisbane in a draft in this years premiership team?

Genuine question as I don’t know the answer, but I can only think of three - McCluggage, Ashcroft and Rayner.

I suspect the majority of the team was recruited through trading as relying on the draft is a fools game.

Being a destination club is more important than dipping into the lottery.
I think maybe Berry too
 
I think maybe Berry too
Actually I vagualey recall we overlooked him in a draft around that mid teens mark so probably right.

Ha we took my mate Marshall the pick before Berry and SPP the pick after. Some quite deep gems in the draft. Luke Ryan 66, Nick Larkey 73, Jake Waterman 77
 
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Who were the top 20 draft picks taken by Brisbane in a draft in this years premiership team?

Genuine question as I don’t know the answer, but I can only think of three - McCluggage, Ashcroft and Rayner.

I suspect the majority of the team was recruited through trading as relying on the draft is a fools game.

Being a destination club is more important than dipping into the lottery.
McLuggage
Rayner
Ashcroft
Berry
Hipwood
Lohman
Wilmott
Fletcher
Stacervich
Bailey

(45.5% of premiership side)

Top 20 picks traded in:
Daniher
Ah Chee
Dunkley (Pick 25)
 
I’d still suggest giving up pick 16 in this draft is not that big a deal when we used it to land Esava and Soldo (expect to be wrong about that, happy to be corrected) both of whom at the time were expected to fill huge voids in the list.
Dunno about that one.

If you give up a 1st rounder, you should be getting something considerable back not a couple of career backups.

We will see this year what is around that mark. I think we might have sellers remorse when we see what is available.
 
I thought that was acknowledged when he stated “until last draft”

I’d still suggest giving up pick 16 in this draft is not that big a deal when we used it to land Esava and Soldo (expect to be wrong about that, happy to be corrected) both of whom at the time were expected to fill huge voids in the list.
They were depth players at their previous clubs. You don't spend first picks to recruit depth players. Even if we thought they could be more, we should have paid what they were worth at the time.

Now Esava has been seemingly exiled from the position we recruited him to play and Soldo is demanding to be traded.
 
They were depth players at their previous clubs. You don't spend first picks to recruit depth players. Even if we thought they could be more, we should have paid what they were worth at the time.

Now Esava has been seemingly exiled from the position we recruited him to play and Soldo is demanding to be traded.

What alternative did the club have? Sit on the F1 and rely on Sweet as the replacement for both Lycett and Jonas, and now Dixon? Soldo being a failure with the benefit of hindsight is a combination of injury, luck with Sweet and his precious missus. We will get something back for Soldo. Esava can still play a role, he played regular footy for Geelong. This is always a hindsight game as we won’t know for several years what it was we gave up.
 
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Dunno about that one.

If you give up a 1st rounder, you should be getting something considerable back not a couple of career backups.

We will see this year what is around that mark. I think we might have sellers remorse when we see what is available.

It’s quite possible. As I have posted many times, the best of pick 16 since 1990 is Gehrig 93 S Thompson and Birdman. Others include T Marshall, Pittard and Ben Jacobs. Nothing much elite has materialised. A poker player who knows what they are doing would have played the same hand Port did, it sits comfortably with me which is a rarity for this joke club.
 
What alternative did the club have when there was also an obvious need to land Rioli?
Huh? We got Rioli cheap he came with JHF.
Sit on the F1 and rely on Sweet as the replacement for both Lycett and Jonas, and now Dixon?
Well, we’re not using either Soldo or Esava, so yes, that would have been better.

Matt Flynn was a free agent; we could have gotten both him and Sweet. They both would have liked a shot at being the number 1 ruck, as that’s why they both left. I remember I said last year I hated how we didn’t use free agency enough to fill those holes when there were a few free agents in the positions we needed.
This is always a hindsight game as we won’t know for several years what it was we gave up.
It’s not even hindsight so many here knew how bad these trades were as they were made.
 

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Huh? We got Rioli cheap he came with JHF.

Well, we’re not using either Soldo or Esava, so yes, that would have been better.

Matt Flynn was a free agent; we could have gotten both him and Sweet. They both would have liked a shot at being the number 1 ruck, as that’s why they both left. I remember I said last year I hated how we didn’t use free agency enough to fill those holes when there were a few free agents in the positions we needed.

It’s not even hindsight so many here knew how bad these trades were as they were made.

If I’m not mistaken Esava played all finals games and most of the season. Who plays if he doesn’t? Scully? McEntee?

I believe you are also incorrect about Rioli. We paid up for him, it looked overs at the time but his output has justified the exchange. He has been superb.

Edit: Did Flynn go to West Coast? I don’t think he played more than a handful of games, the definition of a list clogger considering the Eagles first choice ruck is very ordinary.
 
If I’m not mistaken Esava played all finals games and most of the season. Who plays if he doesn’t? Scully? McEntee?

I believe you are also incorrect about Rioli. We paid up for him, it looked overs at the time but his output has justified the exchange. He has been superb.

Edit: Did Flynn go to West Coast? I don’t think he played more than a handful of games, the definition of a list clogger considering the Eagles first choice ruck is very ordinary.
Probably Ollie Lord. If Todd and Finlayson were all fit, does Esava play? Maybe over Finlayson, but I doubt he’s in before Todd. I wouldn’t brag about the season part either. We all know Kenny has favourites he loves playing like McEnte.

I mean, maybe if that’s how you view the JHF trade, but I thought we did really well to get both JHF and Rioli for what we did, and we still ended up with a 2nd that year too.

Ngl, Flynn didn't do well this year. A big part of it was from that big injury he got in a preseason match; he missed a huge chunk of the year. But at the Giants, he was really good, and if he came here, things would have been different because he likely wouldn’t have been injured in a preseason game.
 
Probably Ollie Lord. If Todd and Finlayson were all fit, does Esava play? Maybe over Finlayson, but I doubt he’s in before Todd. I wouldn’t brag about the season part either. We all know Kenny has favourites he loves playing like McEnte.

I mean, maybe if that’s how you view the JHF trade, but I thought we did really well to get both JHF and Rioli for what we did, and we still ended up with a 2nd that year too.

Ngl, Flynn didn't do well this year. A big part of it was from that big injury he got in a preseason match; he missed a huge chunk of the year. But at the Giants, he was really good, and if he came here, things would have been different because he likely wouldn’t have been injured in a preseason game.

I need to stop posting. This post will get 20+ likes.
 
It’s quite possible. As I have posted many times, the best of pick 16 since 1990 is Gehrig 93 S Thompson and Birdman. Others include T Marshall, Pittard and Ben Jacobs. Nothing much elite has materialised. A poker player who knows what they are doing would have played the same hand Port did, it sits comfortably with me which is a rarity for this joke club.
I and most people don't analyse pick 16 at that particular pick but what is possible and what is left in the draft pool at 16 and beyond. It's having possible access to a whole heap of players this year like Hotton, Lindsay, Shanahan, Trainor, Travaglia, Berry, etc. Some serious talent there.

It would've also helped with negotiations with Houston, Soldo, Lukosius, etc.
 
I and most people don't analyse pick 16 at that particular pick but what is possible and what is left in the draft pool at 16 and beyond. It's having possible access to a whole heap of players this year like Hotton, Lindsay, Shanahan, Trainor, Travaglia, Berry, etc. Some serious talent there.

It would've also helped with negotiations with Houston, Soldo, Lukosius, etc.

I acknowledge what you are saying but “serious talent” is also drafted at pick 1 and often does not materialize into anything of the calibre of player expected.
 
I acknowledge what you are saying but “serious talent” is also drafted at pick 1 and often does not materialize into anything of the calibre of player expected.
The draft has a level of speculation and you never know what you get and what translates but with the value of pick 16 or a pick in that area has a good chance of being Zak Butters, Mitch Georgiades or Miles Bergman but it can also dud out.

But what we did with that pick was get an oft injured career backup ruck and an out of favour, played forward and back, low football IQ but a pure athlete key position player. With Soldo being traded back to Victoria after one year and Esava looking like key position backup, the burning of that pick is terrible in retrospect but also at the time.

A low first rounder could possibly be a top 5 player at your club. Soldo and Ratugolea have exposed form that they are nowhere near it.

And when it comes down to it, the List Management Team has gone well with low draft picks. Best to go for gold when you can.
 
What alternative did the club have? Sit on the F1 and rely on Sweet as the replacement for both Lycett and Jonas, and now Dixon?
Yes. That's exactly what we should have done. You just answered your own question.

Sweet has been miles better than Soldo. Zerk-Thatcher has been miles better than Ratugolea. We didn't need to give up a first rounder to get either of them. And you can't claim 'hindsight' on this one because I and most of this board were saying giving up that first round pick was an awful move last year too.
 
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Most punters thought Sweet would be back up only and Zerk-Thatcher would be a third tall but ended up just about our best defender last year.
From what I remember Rioli cost bugger all but we did pay overs for Soldo and Rat.
I think everyone was shocked for what we gave up for Rat, Geelong took us to the cleaners.
Anyway you can’t change the past.
Hopefully we get it right this year because once Tassie come in it’s all she wrote.
 
Yes. That's exactly what we should have done. You just answered your own question.

Sweet has been miles better than Soldo. Zerk-Thatcher has been miles better than Ratugolea. We didn't need to give up a first rounder to get either of them. And you can't claim 'hindsight' on this one because I and most of this board were saying giving up that first round pick was an awful move last year too.

Hindsight. We have no depth in KPD, nor in ruck. The club did the right thing. If the trade hadn’t been done and Sweet was SANFL standard you’d be crying foul when the kid Visi got belted from pillar to post, likewise if Aliir and/or ZT got injured, was Tom Clurey the answer? Maybe he was, I’m a bit baffled as to why he’s been on the outer but I watch no SANFL footy. We finished second; the decision is vindicated. What happened after that is more discussion worthy and justification for criticism.
 
Hindsight. We have no depth in KPD, nor in ruck. The club did the right thing. If the trade hadn’t been done and Sweet was SANFL standard you’d be crying foul when the kid Visi got belted from pillar to post,
I can absolutely guarantee you that if we didn't bother with Soldo, even if Sweet broke his leg on the first day of preseason, my response to that news wouldn't have been 'man I wish we used our first round pick on Richmond's depth ruckman'.
likewise if Aliir and/or ZT got injured, was Tom Clurey the answer?
And again, if Aliir or BZT got injured, I'd much rather play Tom Clurey and have our first round pick this year than play Esava and not have it.

We finished second; the decision is vindicated.
Lol. Okay Kochie. Great success this season was, contract extensions all round.
 
Giving up last year’s first-round pick was an overpayment, but considering where the team ended up on the ladder and the resulting draft pick, it’s not the disaster some are making it out to be. If we had finished 10th, I’d feel differently, though.

The law of averages suggests that if we keep trading away our future first-rounders, eventually it’s going to backfire.
 

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